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Have finally left, but we're now terrified.

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phoyah · 23/04/2023 06:51

On Friday morning my husband hit our daughter (15), in front of our son (13). It wasn't the first time. It was just before school, there was the usual banter between them, it got out of control, with it descending into violence. He cornered her, announced he was going to smack her, then did. She was crying, shouting, "move away from me, step back!" I felt unable to intervene. I have experienced his temper for 22 years. Although he's never laid a finger on me, I have had over half my life of gaslighting, silent treatment, just basic mind fuckery. She ran up to her room. I wasn't allowed to go up and make sure she was ok, never allowed to be a good mum because then I was defending her, "pandering to her". He went back into the front room, back in front of the computer, where he sits for most of the day talking to other fans of old TV shows and sci fi. He doesn't work. Doesn't do much housework. I caught her on the stairs as she was coming down to leave for school, she was in an awful state. I hugged her and whispered "please tell a teacher." I kissed her on the cheek and quickly stepped back as I heard him coming back out into the hallway. She left with her brother who had witnessed it all.
I went into the kitchen, I had just done all the washing up but there was his usual porridge bowl left in the sink. I couldn't bring up what had just happened so I asked him if he could please just wash it up quickly as I'd just done everything else. "No," he said, "I don't see the point of washing one thing. I'll do it when there's more to do, when there's a few items." I wash up as I go, so it rarely builds up. I asked again, stating that it'd only take 20 seconds to do. "I'm not wasting washing up liquid on one thing." So, I told him to use the washing up sponge as there is washing up liquid in it, as I'd just used it. He replied, "I don't like the feel of the sponge in my hands."
I know he'd just physically assaulted our daughter, and now making excuses as to why he can't wash up his own bowl. I've had this shit throughout our whole marriage. His emotional abuse which has started to turn into physical abuse. His excuses as to why he can't do anything, even when I ask.
I went upstairs to be away from him and to put washing away, he followed me up. Almost as if he knew he'd done something wrong and needed to talk to me to justify it.
"She's a fucking lunatic, isn't she!" He huffed at me, whilst wearing a fleece blanket as a cape. He was wearing a dressing gown in the house up until last week but can't wear it now because he has regenerated. (I know this sounds mad, he has Asperger's and wears everything in order, his year is split up into four sets of 13, he will wear a certain set of clothes for 13 weeks, then "regenerate" - like doctor who - and wear different stuff.... I know... Bear with me please!!)
I looked at him, fucking annoyed by the fleece blanket and all the fuckwittery it represents. "She's going to tell a teacher, we will end up with social services involved..."
"Good!" He threw his hands up and screamed "They can take her away and put her in a home! I won't have to put up with the fat cow ever again!"
From this point on I sat on the bed, with my phone on my lap, secretly filming our conversation. I have him admitting he hit her, that she "drives him to it" (classic abuser language). I stayed calm. Tried to tell him what he should have done to avoid what had just happened. He doesn't listen. He's always right.
I get a message on WhatsApp from my daughter. She can't find her head of year and can I please send an email to him. I send an email, just saying that she urgently needs to speak to him. Within half an hour she sends me another message saying she's now in the office and about to tell him.
My husband is back in front of the computer by now, typing away, wearing his blanket.
I shout in that I'm going for a walk before it rains and leave.
I drive about two minutes down the road, pull over and cry my eyes out. I only have three friends but I ring one, he tells me to come over. I spend most of the day sat with my friend and his husband. Both telling me that the police need to be involved, we need out of there. I know we do. I have a phone call from the school, asking if it's safe to talk, if I'm ok. The teacher says he's in shock, my daughter is one of the loveliest girls he's ever taught and he'd never have imagined we were going through anything like this. He says he has to report it to the police, I agree. He tells me to come to the school at the end of the day, as my daughter feels unsafe to go home. I'm interviewed by the safeguarding team, by the principal, then by MASH and a social worker. I'm finally being listened to. I finally feel supported.
I have tried in the past to escape. I've tried to apply for a council house, I was told that I was making my children and I voluntarily homeless, so I didn't qualify for one. I contacted the Samaritans, three times. I contacted women's aid. I contacted his psychotherapist, who diagnosed him, who basically told me not to expect any more from him as he has Asperger's. There was never any practical help. I felt ignored. It was my bed, I had to lie in it. I was even told once that emotional abuse is so hard to prove, if he'd only hit me there would be bruises as evidence...
I was asked if I had anywhere to go for the night. I said no. Nobody I know would be able to or even has room for us. So the school paid for our first night at a hotel, they even ordered pizza for us. I'm in total shock. Our social worker sees us into the hotel, hands me £10, makes sure we're ok, says she will be in touch again on Monday morning and leaves. We stand in that hotel room, eating pizza and crying. I ring my friend again. He offers to pay for the rest of the weekend. I find it hard to accept but I have to, we can't go home.
It's now Sunday morning. We've been here since Friday night. The kids are fine, mostly. My husband has tried to contact me twice. Once on Friday night at about 9pm, once he finally realised that we're probably not coming home and again yesterday afternoon. He left a voicemail, obviously drunk, but so sorry, he wants us all home, he hates this life, he realises what he did was wrong, please come home. I ignore it. My Son keeps repeating that his Dad deserves this, he's deserved it for a long time. "All the times he's ignored us and now he's getting it he doesn't like it!"
I'm in shock, hiding it from the kids, we left without anything. I've had to buy a few clothes and shoes for them as all they had was their uniforms. The police are meant to be speaking to him but I've no idea if they have yet. As of Friday evening the social workers couldn't get hold of the police to find out if they'd been to see him yet. We are in limbo. But we are together. My daughter keeps crying, as if she feels guilty for having caused us to lose our home. I reassure her that she did exactly the right thing. I'm not going anywhere without her.
I just don't know what's going to happen. I needed to vent, thank you if you've managed to read all this, it's very early on a Sunday morning and my brain is a bit frazzled....

OP posts:
CatMattress · 23/04/2023 06:58

I'm so sorry to hear everything you've gone through, but just to reiterate: you've done absolutely the right thing. Have you tried calling any support groups or charities since this happened? Women's aid or anything?

phoyah · 23/04/2023 07:00

Thank you for reading and replying! No I haven't. I'm just trying to process everything I think. I've never dealt with social workers or anything like this before so I'm not sure what is going to happen next.

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WilkinsonM · 23/04/2023 07:01

Well done!
ideally the police will arrest him and release him under bail conditions that will mean he has to stay away from you all and the home for 28 days. In that period you need to apply for a non molestation order and an occupation order to remove him from the house.
if the police don't do this social services should be able to support you to apply to housing as homeless due to domestic violence which should entitle you to emergency accommodation whilst they assess. If you get accommodation somewhere else you can again use that time to make the applications above.
good luck and well done.

Hiddenvoice · 23/04/2023 07:02

I am so sorry you’re going through this, that was such an emotional read. Right now you’re in the best place and doing the right thing by ignoring him.
You have put up with it for too long. Now you need to be strong and keep putting your children first. They have observed far too much and don’t deserve to be abused physically or verbally.
Do you have any family you can contact? Please contact your friends, you need a ring of support right now. I know it’s hard to accept anything from friends but they will want to help you in your time of need.

Contact women’s aid again, explain you have been placed in temporary accommodation from social services.
Do you work? Do you have access to your own money if your partner doesn’t work?

Your son is right , your husband deserves all of what is coming for him. He has Asperger’s yes but that isn’t an excuse for assaulting a child or abusing your wife. His physiologist is wrong, yes your husband may be emotionally withdrawn at times and you may not be able to expect too much of him but you can expect to live in a safe home with your children.

Whatever happens, put your children first. Don’t ever return to him. Remind yourself that he hurt your child once, he will do it again and one day she will grow up to move away and not come back. Put their lives first and leave him.

MsCatherine · 23/04/2023 07:03

There is help out there OP. This latest incident is recorded now. Please stay strong, no matter how hard this part is, don't go back. What is the housing position, do you work, can he be removed so you and the kids can stay there? I'm sorry I've no idea how that works.

phoyah · 23/04/2023 07:03

Thank you. We just want to go home. Without him there. Our house is perfect without him in it. I know it's not going to be that easy though.

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itsserendipity · 23/04/2023 07:06

I'm so sorry to read this. You have all been really brave getting out of this situation. I hope the authorities can help you get home, and keep him out of your lives. Sending love.

merrymelodies · 23/04/2023 07:06

Oh my dear! How brave of you. And your poor DD also. Almost the same thing happened to us; to my DD. And I was also told that emotional abuse is difficult to prove, that physical evidence of abuse is much more believable. It's hard to hear, isn't it. I wish you all luck and peace and eventually, happiness and relief. You've done the right thing, really the only thing. It takes courage but you did it!! So proud of you and your DC. Flowers

SquishyGloopyBum · 23/04/2023 07:06

You need advice. I think you can get an occupation order or something like that. Do you have a contact for the police? You might need to go to a refuge. The police can escort you to get sone things from the Ouse- clothes etc.

Be proud of yourself. You have a long road ahead but it's the start of a new and happier life for you all.

Ps, who diagnosed Asperger's? Whether or not that is true, he sounds abusive, and the regenerate thing sounds more sinister.

phoyah · 23/04/2023 07:13

I left work after I had our son. He was sacked from his job that he'd had for 21 years the day that he went back after paternity leave. I had to drive (he doesn't drive) him to back and forth to tribunals with a toddler and a newborn. That was hard too. But I lived through it.
I do everything, I take his mother to hospital appointments, I sort everything with the house, I do all housework and gardening, everything to do with the kids clubs, I cook everything from scratch, I wash up. Absolutely everything. I have felt guilty for years, I should go back to work, warn money instead of living frugally off savings and tax credits. But that would have meant leaving them more with him. I've felt torn with everything for years.

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phoyah · 23/04/2023 07:18

Oh btw, he treated paternity leave like a holiday. I had to drive him about so he could have day trips out. I remember I told him I was tired and needed to rest. "What am I supposed to do then?!" He snapped.
It's all coming out now...

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Coffeeallday · 23/04/2023 07:20

This has made me cry.

The three of you are incredible and I’m so happy you’re together and away from him.

I don’t know what’s going to happen next but you need to be thinking about small steps and before you know it you’ll have your own home together.

You need to block him from your phone. You don’t need to be listening to his voicemails etc, it isn’t healthy for any of you and you’re trying to process what’s happened - you and your children don’t need more of his mind fuckery to deal with.

Would any of your friends/family members be able to help you to get some of your belongings? Only if you feel you can and it would be safe for you to do so. If you are able to you need to be organised and make a list for yourself as to who goes into which room and what items they need to bring and specifically where they are. - so you can be in and out as quickly as possible.

This is only if you’re up to it. It’s just that financially things aren’t going to be easy and if it saves you having to buy more basic essentials. Also, some of the items that mean a lot to the children.

I’m so sorry this has happened to you all. I love how supportive the school have been and it’s great that your daughter has that support. Does your son also attend the same school?

Love and best wishes to the three of you. Please keep posting on here. Even when you’re shattered. You don’t know who may reply to your posts and give you the right advice at the right time. I don’t know what to say but some people on here are really helpful.

ArseMenagerie · 23/04/2023 07:21

He sounds dreadful and you sound wonderful. You’ve done a huge brave thing KEEP GOING. The police will arrest the pathetic waste of space and you have protected your children. Woman’s Aid can support you - call today x

phoyah · 23/04/2023 07:24

Thank you everyone for replying. I'm in tears again. But quietly so I don't wake the kids up! I feel sad, I feel grateful for so much support that I never imagined I'd get. Most of all I feel relieved to have finally taken the first massive step.

OP posts:
Coffeeallday · 23/04/2023 07:24

phoyah · 23/04/2023 07:18

Oh btw, he treated paternity leave like a holiday. I had to drive him about so he could have day trips out. I remember I told him I was tired and needed to rest. "What am I supposed to do then?!" He snapped.
It's all coming out now...

That’s so wrong. I’m sorry but now you’re free of him you’ll start seeing a lot more that was wrong.

Just look forward. You have your children, who sound incredible by the way, you’re winning ❤️

Billybagpuss · 23/04/2023 07:25

phoyah · 23/04/2023 07:18

Oh btw, he treated paternity leave like a holiday. I had to drive him about so he could have day trips out. I remember I told him I was tired and needed to rest. "What am I supposed to do then?!" He snapped.
It's all coming out now...

More will come out over the next few days, let it come, it will give you the strength to carry on and do what has to be done. 💐

Matchingcollarandcuffs · 23/04/2023 07:27

I have no words other to say what amazingly strong daughter (and son) you have raised.

The next few months may be hard but will pale once you all realise you are all free and how wonderful that is.

Best of luck OP

GoodVibesHere · 23/04/2023 07:27

Oh OP I'm so sorry. You must be emotionally exhausted and in utter shock at the situation. I have no experience of this but I hope the wise words of fellow mumsnetters will be helpful to you and give you some strength and comfort to get you through this. I'm glad you have a good close relationship with both your DC, they sound like good kids and that's all down to you and the time and effort you've given them both over the years.

Wishing you all the very best as you get through this. Take it step by step and make sure you eat and rest and try to look after yourself.

Wasywasydoodah · 23/04/2023 07:27

Hi youve been so brave. Well done. Technically you’re not in temp accommodation. You can afford to keep staying there. There are some urgent steps you need to take.

  • call womens aid. Say you can’t keep staying in the hotel and that you’re homeless. See what they say and they should identify support for you.
  • call these people https://www.ncdv.org.uk/ who can help you get an occupation order and a non molestation order. They’re free and work quickly though things often take a few weeks. The orders would allow you back into your home and get him out.
  • first thing tomorrow go to the local council to present as “homeless tonight “
  • do you have a separate bank account? If not, then try to get one. Withdraw as much cash as yoi can from the joint account. If you have a separate account, make a universal credit application for you and the kids now you have separated.
  • call the social workers and school tomorrow
good luck!
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Wasywasydoodah · 23/04/2023 07:29

Sorry, i meant to say you can’t afford to keep staying there

Poppyblush · 23/04/2023 07:29

Can you ask the police to take him away and he moves to his mums? Could you get an order to stop him coming to your home? You’re doing the right thing though. Good luck.

SomeoneSomewhere21 · 23/04/2023 07:31

The three of you, you and your children sound incredible to endure everything that you’ve been through. Stay strong and keep your head up. You’re doing the right thing for you and your children by getting away from him. The Aspergers does not excuse his behaviour.
Sending you all virtual hugs and strength.

sandgrown · 23/04/2023 07:31

We had to leave after my ex attacked my son . I won’t lie that it’s been hard but my son has blossomed away from the constant criticism and I love not constantly having to placate my ex. Keep going OP . You have made the first step . I hope you get your home back or somewhere safe to stay . X

CornishTiger · 23/04/2023 07:32

Wasywasydoodah · 23/04/2023 07:27

Hi youve been so brave. Well done. Technically you’re not in temp accommodation. You can afford to keep staying there. There are some urgent steps you need to take.

  • call womens aid. Say you can’t keep staying in the hotel and that you’re homeless. See what they say and they should identify support for you.
  • call these people https://www.ncdv.org.uk/ who can help you get an occupation order and a non molestation order. They’re free and work quickly though things often take a few weeks. The orders would allow you back into your home and get him out.
  • first thing tomorrow go to the local council to present as “homeless tonight “
  • do you have a separate bank account? If not, then try to get one. Withdraw as much cash as yoi can from the joint account. If you have a separate account, make a universal credit application for you and the kids now you have separated.
  • call the social workers and school tomorrow
good luck!

Yes all of this.

Welk done. Very brave. Now to get practical.

You mention you get tax credits. Now you are separating you need to claim Universal credit. How much savings do you have?

JustCheck · 23/04/2023 07:32

You poor (but exceptionally brave) things…. Thinking of you. I think the best option is for him to leave the house and the police can help you facilitate that