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Have finally left, but we're now terrified.

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phoyah · 23/04/2023 06:51

On Friday morning my husband hit our daughter (15), in front of our son (13). It wasn't the first time. It was just before school, there was the usual banter between them, it got out of control, with it descending into violence. He cornered her, announced he was going to smack her, then did. She was crying, shouting, "move away from me, step back!" I felt unable to intervene. I have experienced his temper for 22 years. Although he's never laid a finger on me, I have had over half my life of gaslighting, silent treatment, just basic mind fuckery. She ran up to her room. I wasn't allowed to go up and make sure she was ok, never allowed to be a good mum because then I was defending her, "pandering to her". He went back into the front room, back in front of the computer, where he sits for most of the day talking to other fans of old TV shows and sci fi. He doesn't work. Doesn't do much housework. I caught her on the stairs as she was coming down to leave for school, she was in an awful state. I hugged her and whispered "please tell a teacher." I kissed her on the cheek and quickly stepped back as I heard him coming back out into the hallway. She left with her brother who had witnessed it all.
I went into the kitchen, I had just done all the washing up but there was his usual porridge bowl left in the sink. I couldn't bring up what had just happened so I asked him if he could please just wash it up quickly as I'd just done everything else. "No," he said, "I don't see the point of washing one thing. I'll do it when there's more to do, when there's a few items." I wash up as I go, so it rarely builds up. I asked again, stating that it'd only take 20 seconds to do. "I'm not wasting washing up liquid on one thing." So, I told him to use the washing up sponge as there is washing up liquid in it, as I'd just used it. He replied, "I don't like the feel of the sponge in my hands."
I know he'd just physically assaulted our daughter, and now making excuses as to why he can't wash up his own bowl. I've had this shit throughout our whole marriage. His emotional abuse which has started to turn into physical abuse. His excuses as to why he can't do anything, even when I ask.
I went upstairs to be away from him and to put washing away, he followed me up. Almost as if he knew he'd done something wrong and needed to talk to me to justify it.
"She's a fucking lunatic, isn't she!" He huffed at me, whilst wearing a fleece blanket as a cape. He was wearing a dressing gown in the house up until last week but can't wear it now because he has regenerated. (I know this sounds mad, he has Asperger's and wears everything in order, his year is split up into four sets of 13, he will wear a certain set of clothes for 13 weeks, then "regenerate" - like doctor who - and wear different stuff.... I know... Bear with me please!!)
I looked at him, fucking annoyed by the fleece blanket and all the fuckwittery it represents. "She's going to tell a teacher, we will end up with social services involved..."
"Good!" He threw his hands up and screamed "They can take her away and put her in a home! I won't have to put up with the fat cow ever again!"
From this point on I sat on the bed, with my phone on my lap, secretly filming our conversation. I have him admitting he hit her, that she "drives him to it" (classic abuser language). I stayed calm. Tried to tell him what he should have done to avoid what had just happened. He doesn't listen. He's always right.
I get a message on WhatsApp from my daughter. She can't find her head of year and can I please send an email to him. I send an email, just saying that she urgently needs to speak to him. Within half an hour she sends me another message saying she's now in the office and about to tell him.
My husband is back in front of the computer by now, typing away, wearing his blanket.
I shout in that I'm going for a walk before it rains and leave.
I drive about two minutes down the road, pull over and cry my eyes out. I only have three friends but I ring one, he tells me to come over. I spend most of the day sat with my friend and his husband. Both telling me that the police need to be involved, we need out of there. I know we do. I have a phone call from the school, asking if it's safe to talk, if I'm ok. The teacher says he's in shock, my daughter is one of the loveliest girls he's ever taught and he'd never have imagined we were going through anything like this. He says he has to report it to the police, I agree. He tells me to come to the school at the end of the day, as my daughter feels unsafe to go home. I'm interviewed by the safeguarding team, by the principal, then by MASH and a social worker. I'm finally being listened to. I finally feel supported.
I have tried in the past to escape. I've tried to apply for a council house, I was told that I was making my children and I voluntarily homeless, so I didn't qualify for one. I contacted the Samaritans, three times. I contacted women's aid. I contacted his psychotherapist, who diagnosed him, who basically told me not to expect any more from him as he has Asperger's. There was never any practical help. I felt ignored. It was my bed, I had to lie in it. I was even told once that emotional abuse is so hard to prove, if he'd only hit me there would be bruises as evidence...
I was asked if I had anywhere to go for the night. I said no. Nobody I know would be able to or even has room for us. So the school paid for our first night at a hotel, they even ordered pizza for us. I'm in total shock. Our social worker sees us into the hotel, hands me £10, makes sure we're ok, says she will be in touch again on Monday morning and leaves. We stand in that hotel room, eating pizza and crying. I ring my friend again. He offers to pay for the rest of the weekend. I find it hard to accept but I have to, we can't go home.
It's now Sunday morning. We've been here since Friday night. The kids are fine, mostly. My husband has tried to contact me twice. Once on Friday night at about 9pm, once he finally realised that we're probably not coming home and again yesterday afternoon. He left a voicemail, obviously drunk, but so sorry, he wants us all home, he hates this life, he realises what he did was wrong, please come home. I ignore it. My Son keeps repeating that his Dad deserves this, he's deserved it for a long time. "All the times he's ignored us and now he's getting it he doesn't like it!"
I'm in shock, hiding it from the kids, we left without anything. I've had to buy a few clothes and shoes for them as all they had was their uniforms. The police are meant to be speaking to him but I've no idea if they have yet. As of Friday evening the social workers couldn't get hold of the police to find out if they'd been to see him yet. We are in limbo. But we are together. My daughter keeps crying, as if she feels guilty for having caused us to lose our home. I reassure her that she did exactly the right thing. I'm not going anywhere without her.
I just don't know what's going to happen. I needed to vent, thank you if you've managed to read all this, it's very early on a Sunday morning and my brain is a bit frazzled....

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phoyah · 29/04/2023 10:22

Hiddenvoice, thank you so much for your lovely words. From now on I'm going to focus solely on my kids, be thankful I've got a couple of absolutely amazing friends and just try to roll with things until all this is over. I keep telling myself that future me will thank me.

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rockingbird · 29/04/2023 10:58

Hope your all doing OK, was thinking about you this morning. Keep doing what your doing, things will all work out eventually. A year from now you'll back and realise just how far you have come. Keep a positive mindset.

phoyah · 29/04/2023 12:22

Thank you so much Rockingbird!!
Was talking to my daughter this morning, she said she feels scared and guilty. I told her she's nothing to feel scared about, I'm not going anywhere! As for her feeling guilty, we also spoke about a time when she first started secondary school and I was picking her brother up from primary. She got home first and went out to the freezer in the outhouse to get a lolly. He thought it would be funny to lock her out, because he didn't like the fact she was getting herself something. She banged on the kitchen window asking for him to unlock the door, as she needed a wee. It's only a single pane window and it fell in and smashed onto the sink below. He lost it, grabbed her, threw her across the room and tried to stamp on her. "But I wriggled out of the way..." I knew the window had been broken. (I fixed it myself with a new pane of glass and putty). I knew he'd locked her out. I knew he'd gone beserk. I didn't know that he'd thrown her or tried to stamp on her. I was coming out of the house a few weeks later and the neighbours caught me and said "what happened? We thought he was going to kill her!" I told them what had happened and they told me it wasn't right. I knew it wasn't right!! What the hell made me stay? How the fuck did I just accept his version that it was all DDs fault?! (Even though I told her it was his fault for locking her out, I never once blamed her myself...)
I honestly feel disgusted with myself.

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Inkanta · 29/04/2023 12:31

Yeah he's aggressive !! Let these scenarios spur you on to see this through to the end. Don't weaken yourself with guilt - stay goal orientated. Your goal is security and safety for you and the kids. Freedom and peace. You are a good decent person and you need to be free. This is your opportunity and your life.

Needapadlockonmyfridge · 29/04/2023 14:39

You are doing great.
You have got yourself and your kids out.
you are safe and soon you will all be back in your house without your ex.
Keep looking forward. Xx

Hiddenvoice · 29/04/2023 15:34

You are looking back and remembering all the horrid things this man has done. It must be so hard thinking about it all but it’s in the past. This will not be your future and it definitely won’t be your children’s.
It’s a shame your dd feels guilty but I can understand why she feels that way. She’s put it down to her for argument for leaving.
Talk to your dd and remind her that it’s because of her and your ds that you’ve left and you’re all safe. That she should not feel guilty as she has helped to reshape your lives for the better. Remind her that it was you that decided to leave, you told her to speak up and help all of you and remind her how Incredibly brave she has been. I think when things have settled a little it might be helpful to speak to a gp/ therapist and get her some help to try process the things she’s seen and what she’s been through. I also think you’d benefit as well.

I’m glad you’ve got supportive friends and your kids are a massive credit to you and you alone! Honestly remind yourself that you have been so strong for them and are doing a fantastic job!

RecycleReuseRemind · 29/04/2023 17:07

Please look forward to living a better life

You cannot change the past

But, you can all live a happier future

pointythings · 29/04/2023 18:11

@phoyah it is really normal for things to come to the surface that have been repressed. My DDs told me all kinds of things their father did when I was away overnight - but not until after he had died. We have worked through it. Your bond with your DC is as strong as mine is, and you will get through this and recover. You have been so strong, you are doing everything right. Hang on to your strength and your anger.

EightChalk · 01/05/2023 10:53

phoyah · 29/04/2023 12:22

Thank you so much Rockingbird!!
Was talking to my daughter this morning, she said she feels scared and guilty. I told her she's nothing to feel scared about, I'm not going anywhere! As for her feeling guilty, we also spoke about a time when she first started secondary school and I was picking her brother up from primary. She got home first and went out to the freezer in the outhouse to get a lolly. He thought it would be funny to lock her out, because he didn't like the fact she was getting herself something. She banged on the kitchen window asking for him to unlock the door, as she needed a wee. It's only a single pane window and it fell in and smashed onto the sink below. He lost it, grabbed her, threw her across the room and tried to stamp on her. "But I wriggled out of the way..." I knew the window had been broken. (I fixed it myself with a new pane of glass and putty). I knew he'd locked her out. I knew he'd gone beserk. I didn't know that he'd thrown her or tried to stamp on her. I was coming out of the house a few weeks later and the neighbours caught me and said "what happened? We thought he was going to kill her!" I told them what had happened and they told me it wasn't right. I knew it wasn't right!! What the hell made me stay? How the fuck did I just accept his version that it was all DDs fault?! (Even though I told her it was his fault for locking her out, I never once blamed her myself...)
I honestly feel disgusted with myself.

The important thing is that you're taking the best steps now for you and your children's future. I hope everything is going well and that this awful man is one step closer to being out of your life and home.

phoyah · 01/05/2023 11:31

I finally had a phone call from the police this morning. They are coming out to speak to me tomorrow morning at 10am. This is going to be about the abuse I've suffered as the kids' statements will be taken by another organisation that deals solely with child abuse. I'm also waiting for a date that I've got to go to court to see about the non molestation order and the occupation order. I'm not really sure what I'm doing, the kids are starting to get on each others nerves through having to live in the same room as each other for well over a week, but I'm trying to stay strong and just gather as much evidence and write down as much as possible. I've got videos and audio of so much. He blames me, he blames the kids. For years I've believed him. Not any more. Enough. Time for karma to do its job.

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pointythings · 01/05/2023 11:35

@phoyah this is good news. Maybe write down a list of the things you need to tell the police and make sure that you know where all your audio/video evidence is. Take your time, be calm - the police won't want to rush you. I've had dealings with them in the aftermath of DV and they were very supportive.

phoyah · 01/05/2023 11:49

Thank you! Yes, I'm writing absolutely everything down. To the point that I have pages of things that has happened from years ago up until now. I just thought I'd tell them as much as possible and they can decide what's relevant.
Just like to say thank you again for everyone's support. I'm so glad I posted here, you've all been so helpful and I'll be forever grateful!

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Paperdolly · 01/05/2023 16:55

💐. Keep on keeping on. Your all doing great !

pointythings · 01/05/2023 17:49

One day you will be here on MN supporting people who are where you are now, using your experience and expertise to help them to leave.

Toomuchwine89 · 01/05/2023 21:03

phoyah · 01/05/2023 11:49

Thank you! Yes, I'm writing absolutely everything down. To the point that I have pages of things that has happened from years ago up until now. I just thought I'd tell them as much as possible and they can decide what's relevant.
Just like to say thank you again for everyone's support. I'm so glad I posted here, you've all been so helpful and I'll be forever grateful!

Wow OP. This is so similar to my story. I'm 5 and a bit months in and still living in a refuge because I didn't go for an Occupation Order. I'm trying so so hard to get us housed but it's not easy! Good luck with everything x

phoyah · 02/05/2023 15:19

I spent 4.5 hours in the hotel room, telling the police everything today. They've passed it onto the child protection agency, hopefully he'll be arrested with bail conditions that he doesn't come near us or the house. So we can hopefully go home and wait for non molestation order and occupation order. Haven't heard anything more from the NCDV. The police were actually shocked that the only statement they had was for her father "shaking" my daughter that Friday morning. When I told him a few more incidents, he took a statement then passed it on to the child protection agency. Still waiting to hear from them now.
Social services rang again. Saying that because my name isn't on the deeds to the house, the only option is to ship us all out to a refuge in another county. Why are my kids being punished for telling authorities the amount of abuse they've put up with? Surely they should be allowed to go home?! It's not fair and I'm crying my eyes out. Again.

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gohomepleasenow · 02/05/2023 17:06

Sorry about my name here, it was relevant to another thread but I do hope you get to. Ve been following your story and sending you good wishes I'm so sorry you are experiencing this and what must feel like a cruel system around you, keep trusting that it will get better than this, because it will eventually all be a long time ago. Nothing happening now is permanent or stable except you holding onto your children and keeping them safe. Let that be the centre of your new world, you will gradually grow from here, this little that you have is precious and is within your control, the rest, will build up. Nothing will be the same, I'm so sorry for all this unknowns for you, I wish you good luck and good people ahead and keep posting dear, keep trusting x

VioletCharlotte · 02/05/2023 19:36

@phoyah I've been following your thread since the beginning and haven't commented so far. But having read your update, I felt that I really wanted to post and offer you some solidarity. I've been in abusive relationship too so I do understand how you feel (thankfully, my situation wasn't as bad as yours and he wasn't violent to my DC).

You and your DC have all been incredibly brave to get this far. Getting away from an abuser is so difficult, anyone who has not been in this situation will not understand how hard it is. Years of emotional and mental abuse destroy your self esteem and confidence and it's very difficult to get it into your head that nine of this is your fault.

I'm sorry that you're being told you will have to move to a refuge in a different county. I appreciate this isn't ideal at all, especially as your children will have to move schools. Are they saying you need to be in a refuge because they feel you're at too high risk to be alone? If so, then I think the best thing you can do is to go along with it, so as to ensure the safety of you and your DC. I know it's very daunting, but hopefully it will only be short term. Keep the end goals sight. The time will come when you and your DC will be safe and happy in your own home. This is just the next step of the journey xx

Carnivore · 02/05/2023 20:28

I’m so sorry that this is so hard. I don’t know if this will encourage you or not but my MIL was physically abused by her husband. She left the state and moved to where her sister lived 11 hours away. The judge had advised it as he feared her husband would kill her otherwise. Her oldest son stayed, did not want to move. Her 2nd son, my DH was made to go with his mom and youngest sister. He did not want to go. If he had not moved here I don’t know what his life would have been like, but we would not have met and married. We have 2 lovely daughters and have been married for 20+ years. He is a wonderful husband and father and has a good career. The brother who stayed married and had kids that he abandoned. Went to work one day and never came home. His wife was a SAHM with three boys. Then years later we heard that he beat his gf and was jailed as a result. His mom had a successful job here that she retired from. She now lives a very active life retired in Florida.

serene12 · 02/05/2023 20:30

I too have been following your thread and admire your courage and your children’s too.

I have professional experience of child protection and domestic abuse.

Your solicitor will be able to offer legal advice re. your home, they are best placed to rather than social work.

The Police should be able to escort you to your home, to pick up your possessions, important documents and your children’s clothing etc.

The children’s school have been so supportive, hopefully they’ll be offering them emotional support and can advocate for them at any multi agency meetings. It is NOT in your children’s best interests to move schools. In my experience, when attending multi agency meetings, pupil support teachers are brilliant at voicing their concerns.

Your children’s voice is paramount, and their views as to whether they want to see their dad or not will be taken into account.

I hope that your husband is held accountable, for his abusive behaviour.

Brieandme · 02/05/2023 20:45

@serene12 I don't think anyone is advocating for the children moving schools, but if the only refuges available are too far for the children to travel then there isn't much anyone can do to mitigate that. Refuge places are scarce, and not evenly spread out across the country.

OP I know this must be incredibly hard for you, but please remember that anything you are doing now - even if it includes temporarily moving away with the children - is less harmful than staying with him. It will be a bumpy road but it is worth it. I also wonder given how you describe your husband - including his fixed routines - how successful an occupation order would actually be. I mean, I know what they're supposed to mean but in practice I would worry about the effectiveness, especially given his tendency to blame your daughter for his outbursts.

You sound like a wonderful mum. I had some similar experiences to your daughter and my mum stayed with him. It affected our relationship for life. I wish she had been as brave as you are being now.

phoyah · 03/05/2023 05:30

My daughter is sitting her GCSEs now, she has an exam every other week up until about July. This is the worst possible time for her to be moved about, away from everything she knows.
I've looked on the gov. website and it clearly says that we're still entitled to live in the matrimonial home, even if my name isn't on the deeds. We are (were) married. Surely that counts for something? I have a feeling that the lady from social services yesterday just wants to bung us in a refuge as it's the easy option for them. I need to do what's best for the kids.
The police rang back. Mash are going to deal with the Friday morning incident and the police are going to deal with the previous incidents that are emerging from the past. They said he may not even be arrested for them, just invited in for a voluntary chat.
I did have an email from the solicitors late yesterday afternoon though, our non molestation and occupation orders have been filed. Do I need to email them back and tell them of the police visit and further statements made yesterday? Can anyone help me with how I'd word that in an email? My brain is absolutely exhausted after everything yesterday. I really thought I was going to have some kind of mini breakdown. We're going through the worst thing ever, the kids seem happy but deep down I know they're worried and just want to go home, and I imagine he's just sat comfortably in front of the computer, where he's sat for the past 20 odd years, still chatting to his mates about sci-fi.
In fact I know he is.

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Needapadlockonmyfridge · 03/05/2023 05:47

I hope, and suspect, that the SW is wrong.

Have you been told how long the OO will take to process through Court?

I think it would be sensible to update everyone that you have spoken to the Police, yes. Hang know in there, hopefully you snd uour kids will be safely home soon. Xx

Inkanta · 03/05/2023 05:53

Sounds pretty tough right now for you phoyah I hope your daughtet can focus okay this week on her exams. I was thinking it might be best to take legal advice re. your rights mvung back into your house. What your social worker says doesn't seem quite right. Dont be fobbed off. This time out is a chance to build up your strength. Your kids are okay - one step at a time - moment to moment. Breakfast next job. Nice cup of tea.

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