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Have finally left, but we're now terrified.

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phoyah · 23/04/2023 06:51

On Friday morning my husband hit our daughter (15), in front of our son (13). It wasn't the first time. It was just before school, there was the usual banter between them, it got out of control, with it descending into violence. He cornered her, announced he was going to smack her, then did. She was crying, shouting, "move away from me, step back!" I felt unable to intervene. I have experienced his temper for 22 years. Although he's never laid a finger on me, I have had over half my life of gaslighting, silent treatment, just basic mind fuckery. She ran up to her room. I wasn't allowed to go up and make sure she was ok, never allowed to be a good mum because then I was defending her, "pandering to her". He went back into the front room, back in front of the computer, where he sits for most of the day talking to other fans of old TV shows and sci fi. He doesn't work. Doesn't do much housework. I caught her on the stairs as she was coming down to leave for school, she was in an awful state. I hugged her and whispered "please tell a teacher." I kissed her on the cheek and quickly stepped back as I heard him coming back out into the hallway. She left with her brother who had witnessed it all.
I went into the kitchen, I had just done all the washing up but there was his usual porridge bowl left in the sink. I couldn't bring up what had just happened so I asked him if he could please just wash it up quickly as I'd just done everything else. "No," he said, "I don't see the point of washing one thing. I'll do it when there's more to do, when there's a few items." I wash up as I go, so it rarely builds up. I asked again, stating that it'd only take 20 seconds to do. "I'm not wasting washing up liquid on one thing." So, I told him to use the washing up sponge as there is washing up liquid in it, as I'd just used it. He replied, "I don't like the feel of the sponge in my hands."
I know he'd just physically assaulted our daughter, and now making excuses as to why he can't wash up his own bowl. I've had this shit throughout our whole marriage. His emotional abuse which has started to turn into physical abuse. His excuses as to why he can't do anything, even when I ask.
I went upstairs to be away from him and to put washing away, he followed me up. Almost as if he knew he'd done something wrong and needed to talk to me to justify it.
"She's a fucking lunatic, isn't she!" He huffed at me, whilst wearing a fleece blanket as a cape. He was wearing a dressing gown in the house up until last week but can't wear it now because he has regenerated. (I know this sounds mad, he has Asperger's and wears everything in order, his year is split up into four sets of 13, he will wear a certain set of clothes for 13 weeks, then "regenerate" - like doctor who - and wear different stuff.... I know... Bear with me please!!)
I looked at him, fucking annoyed by the fleece blanket and all the fuckwittery it represents. "She's going to tell a teacher, we will end up with social services involved..."
"Good!" He threw his hands up and screamed "They can take her away and put her in a home! I won't have to put up with the fat cow ever again!"
From this point on I sat on the bed, with my phone on my lap, secretly filming our conversation. I have him admitting he hit her, that she "drives him to it" (classic abuser language). I stayed calm. Tried to tell him what he should have done to avoid what had just happened. He doesn't listen. He's always right.
I get a message on WhatsApp from my daughter. She can't find her head of year and can I please send an email to him. I send an email, just saying that she urgently needs to speak to him. Within half an hour she sends me another message saying she's now in the office and about to tell him.
My husband is back in front of the computer by now, typing away, wearing his blanket.
I shout in that I'm going for a walk before it rains and leave.
I drive about two minutes down the road, pull over and cry my eyes out. I only have three friends but I ring one, he tells me to come over. I spend most of the day sat with my friend and his husband. Both telling me that the police need to be involved, we need out of there. I know we do. I have a phone call from the school, asking if it's safe to talk, if I'm ok. The teacher says he's in shock, my daughter is one of the loveliest girls he's ever taught and he'd never have imagined we were going through anything like this. He says he has to report it to the police, I agree. He tells me to come to the school at the end of the day, as my daughter feels unsafe to go home. I'm interviewed by the safeguarding team, by the principal, then by MASH and a social worker. I'm finally being listened to. I finally feel supported.
I have tried in the past to escape. I've tried to apply for a council house, I was told that I was making my children and I voluntarily homeless, so I didn't qualify for one. I contacted the Samaritans, three times. I contacted women's aid. I contacted his psychotherapist, who diagnosed him, who basically told me not to expect any more from him as he has Asperger's. There was never any practical help. I felt ignored. It was my bed, I had to lie in it. I was even told once that emotional abuse is so hard to prove, if he'd only hit me there would be bruises as evidence...
I was asked if I had anywhere to go for the night. I said no. Nobody I know would be able to or even has room for us. So the school paid for our first night at a hotel, they even ordered pizza for us. I'm in total shock. Our social worker sees us into the hotel, hands me £10, makes sure we're ok, says she will be in touch again on Monday morning and leaves. We stand in that hotel room, eating pizza and crying. I ring my friend again. He offers to pay for the rest of the weekend. I find it hard to accept but I have to, we can't go home.
It's now Sunday morning. We've been here since Friday night. The kids are fine, mostly. My husband has tried to contact me twice. Once on Friday night at about 9pm, once he finally realised that we're probably not coming home and again yesterday afternoon. He left a voicemail, obviously drunk, but so sorry, he wants us all home, he hates this life, he realises what he did was wrong, please come home. I ignore it. My Son keeps repeating that his Dad deserves this, he's deserved it for a long time. "All the times he's ignored us and now he's getting it he doesn't like it!"
I'm in shock, hiding it from the kids, we left without anything. I've had to buy a few clothes and shoes for them as all they had was their uniforms. The police are meant to be speaking to him but I've no idea if they have yet. As of Friday evening the social workers couldn't get hold of the police to find out if they'd been to see him yet. We are in limbo. But we are together. My daughter keeps crying, as if she feels guilty for having caused us to lose our home. I reassure her that she did exactly the right thing. I'm not going anywhere without her.
I just don't know what's going to happen. I needed to vent, thank you if you've managed to read all this, it's very early on a Sunday morning and my brain is a bit frazzled....

OP posts:
phoyah · 26/04/2023 16:45

Thank you everyone, we're still in the hotel, social services and the police are being very slow. The school are being amazing, even providing a little food parcel from the canteen for us all.
Our social worker has promised us that things will be done tomorrow, she doesn't know what's taking so long. The kids are still fine, really enjoying the breakfast buffets and the big comfy beds. Trying to focus on the positives for them!
I have looked up a local solicitor about an occupational order and divorce. As soon as I feel able I'll get onto it. I just want the police to get their bums into gear and to talk to him. I feel like he's probably swanning about, thinking we've just left and he's got away scott free.
Last night I couldn't sleep, so I went onto my phone and looked up all the voice messages I've recorded over the past year. I have more but they're on my old phone back at home... I'm actually pretty disgusted with myself for letting this go on for so long. I have captured him laughing at my daughter when she's in tears because he's taunted her, I've recorded him admitting he's hit her and "attacked her", even him saying that it's what she needs, she probably needs more of it. I have voice clips of me confronting him about all the times he used to ignore the kids, he once said that our daughter was dead to him (she was probably about six and she didn't want to play tag with him...). In these voice clips he doesn't deny anything. Just tries to defend his actions.
So we're still in limbo but I'm loving seeing the kids relax a bit knowing he's not here.
Thank you all again for all your lovely words, I don't feel brave, just sad that I let things go on for so long.

OP posts:
loislovesstewie · 26/04/2023 17:37

You are being brave. You have made an important first step towards having a better, more peacefull life for you and your children. It will get better I promise. When I was working as a homeless officer for a local authority I dealt with many women, and a few men, who had left violent situations. It's always scary at first but when it's all done and dusted and they are safe, they understand how far they have come. Take care, keep posting. We are with you.

Louisetopaz21 · 26/04/2023 18:54

Go to Ndvc and they will fund and support you with the orders you need to keep him away. Good luck and you are very brave xxx

feelingfree17 · 26/04/2023 20:56

Try to look forwards not backwards. It is what you are doing now that is important.
it must be so tough, but little by little and with help and support you will all get through this together.

Snorkello · 26/04/2023 21:54

Yes, look forward! It will all be worth it.

do get on to a solicitor tomorrow. You need to get things in motion. If he does leave, you may return home to find things missing or not cared for. Don’t panic. You can start from scratch if you have to and so can dc. It’s easier than you think. Don’t take the kids home the first time you get back the keys. It will give you chance to check everything.

if you have any joint finances, move everything/half out now. Cancel all direct debits you don’t need.

start compiling paperwork if you can.

this is the start of a whole, happier life and we are here for you when it gets tough.

Whenever you worry if you made the right decision, just think for a moment of how proud your daughter must be of you and how loved she feels right now. I promise you. She does.

Beaverbridge · 26/04/2023 22:18

You are an extremely brave lady. Good luck darling.

rockingbird · 27/04/2023 06:36

Wow what a tough read, your all doing amazing! Take the help, keep pushing for temporary accommodation as you are most definitely high priority. I walked away with the kids last summer, was mentally tough on me but somehow I kept my nerve and you will to. This is the start or the rest of your lives!! It's going to be bumpy but trust the process and keep going. We now have a new forever home, life can change and I promise it will. Sending love and strength your way xx

Inkanta · 27/04/2023 06:54

Well done. Hang in there. Breathe. You're doing good☕🌻

Northernsouloldies · 27/04/2023 06:55

Op your children will thank you for it when they're older. If you can look at the thread adult children and da households. I left a post about my experiences and hopefully it shows dv through a child's eyes. Good luck op with everything.

Inkanta · 27/04/2023 07:10

This is your opportunity to get him out the house. Hope you can keep up the momentum. You're a great role model to your kids. It's tough but you can do it!

user1478172746 · 27/04/2023 08:39

Yes, Aspergers is not an excuse, but sounds like you chronically didn't understand each other. Did you educate yourself about autism to understand where his behavior was coming from? You would have been less frustrated. Seems like family life is too much for him, he gets triggered by children and all the everyday hardship. You will be better of seperately.

Inkanta · 27/04/2023 13:33

I think there's more to this than Aspergers. He won't work, pull his weight, he's controlling and aggressive and seems to have no conscience after these outbursts. Now's not the time for understanding him and compassion. Now's the time for living a life on ones own terms and well away from him.

phoyah · 27/04/2023 20:58

Our social worker rang him today, asked if he could leave so we could move back in. He refused, said he had nowhere to go. In reality he can't bear to leave his DVDs and related routines. He could move in with his mother, it'd be cramped but what man wouldn't put his kids before themselves? Him.
Apparently he also requested to see the kids. So he doesn't care where they are, that they have nothing, but he wants to see them?! I think not.
I told the kids, they were furious.

I contacted the NCDV today, I've made a statement and I've been allocated a solicitor. Hopefully will be in court early next week to get the non molestation order, then the occupation order at a (not much) later date. I was also told that as we're married I'll be entitled to half of the house (it's in his name since before we were married and owned outright). This has given me a huge glimmer of hope and the kids finally feel excited about the future without him. My daughter still occasionally looks sad, emotions are still all over the place but I just reassure her that we're still all together and we'll look back at this one day as a massive adventure.
My son said "When I have kids, I'll tell them of the time Granny rescued us from her abusive husband..!"

So, we're still in the hotel, still enjoying the breakfasts, but things are starting to feel as if they're moving in the right direction. Or at least moving... Still no word of the police having spoken to him. Unbelievable...

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ThePoshUns · 27/04/2023 21:01

Well done OP.

As far as the police ring 101
And tell them you want to make a complaint as you are disappointed by their lack of action. It's not good enough

Inkanta · 27/04/2023 21:14

My son said "When I have kids, I'll tell them of the time Granny rescued us from her abusive husband..!

Ah bless his heart and the three of you - a united front! It will keep you strong and determined to see this through and find your lives.

Needapadlockonmyfridge · 27/04/2023 21:34

You son has summed it up beautifully.

I hope you can get your Non Mol and Occupation Order quickly.
He really is a piece of work, your Ex.

rockingbird · 27/04/2023 22:21

One day at a time and one foot in front of the other, you'll get there and be rid of this vile man sooner than you know it. Your doing amazing, I know it's hard but keep going. Good things will happen xx

REignbow · 27/04/2023 22:41

I agree with the PP. Contact 101 and make a complaint (or the complaints commission of the police). Tell them this is not a singular incidence and that you evidence of him assaulting your daughter before.

l cannot say that I’m surprised that he refused to leave. But pleased that your are going for both a non molestation and occupation order.

As the DC are older it will THEM that can decide if they want to see him.

keep positive and proceed with a divorce. Your children and you need this, you all need to live in a stress free home.

user1471538283 · 28/04/2023 11:53

How typical he won't move out for his children! With any luck he won't have a choice! I bet he's thinking this will blow over.

You are and will continue to do this!

Needapadlockonmyfridge · 29/04/2023 07:36

I hope you and your children will be back in your home soon, safely, OP.

Mummyoflittledragon · 29/04/2023 07:51

I hope you’re doing ok today. It’s the bank holiday and the weather is improving. I hope you manage to have a good time with your dcs despite being in a hotel. The school sound brilliant.

phoyah · 29/04/2023 10:07

Thank you all. We're just down the road from a lovely park so we've been using that a lot. This morning we sat at a picnic table and went through their school bags. I felt like such a bad mum when I saw the amount of rubbish my daughter has been carrying around in her bag for months. No wonder it was so heavy. I thought of my daughter's bedroom back at home which is also a huge mess. I've tidied it so many times but feel like I've put the majority of my energy into trying to teach her father to not call her a fat slob or a disgusting pig, rather than helping my daughter work on her organisation skills. I have so many voice recordings of the aftermath of a row between them. Where I'm trying to get through to him that going into her room and screaming at her, throwing her belongings around the room and storming out isn't helpful. It's been mentally exhausting. I feel so terrible that if I'd have focused on helping my daughter with her room in the first place it might've avoided this upset. But then when I'm darning socks and things because he has to wear the same set of them for the next 13 weeks and gets angry if I can't repair a pair, I feel all my attention has been on trying to placate him rather than being a good mum.

OP posts:
phoyah · 29/04/2023 10:09

I called the NCDV, have made a statement and are on the way to getting a non molestation order and an occupation order.
Why do I feel guilty for that?!
He's hindered me from being the best mum I can be, but i still feel an inner guilt that is eating away at me.

OP posts:
Hiddenvoice · 29/04/2023 10:12

Please don’t think of yourself as a bad mum. You’ve done what you can to protect them! As you’ve said, you’ve focussed so much time telling an adult not to call a child names. This isn’t right, no adult, no matter who they are should need reminded of this and it’s great that you can see how much time you’ve had ti spend doing that.
Now you can focus on your children. Your children admire you for what you’ve done to them, please keep reminding yourself of that. You have all the time I. The world now to help your daughter with her organisational skills but really she sounds just like a normal teenager!

It’s great you’ve got a lovely park close by. I know times are hard just now but they will get better. Your children are probably loving spending all this time with you knowing they can show their emotions without getting shouted at and can now have a mum who is beginning to feel safe. They will look back fondly on the time their mum made them clean out their bag in a park!

Hiddenvoice · 29/04/2023 10:15

It shows what a nice person you are that you feel guilty. Soon the feeling of guilt will pass but you have done the right thing.
Put all that energy into yourself and your children. You are strong and have done so incredibly well lately. He’s done this to himself. The only person to have any blame or guilt is him. You have stood up for yourself and your children and now you can provide a happy, secure and loving life for them.

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