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Have finally left, but we're now terrified.

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phoyah · 23/04/2023 06:51

On Friday morning my husband hit our daughter (15), in front of our son (13). It wasn't the first time. It was just before school, there was the usual banter between them, it got out of control, with it descending into violence. He cornered her, announced he was going to smack her, then did. She was crying, shouting, "move away from me, step back!" I felt unable to intervene. I have experienced his temper for 22 years. Although he's never laid a finger on me, I have had over half my life of gaslighting, silent treatment, just basic mind fuckery. She ran up to her room. I wasn't allowed to go up and make sure she was ok, never allowed to be a good mum because then I was defending her, "pandering to her". He went back into the front room, back in front of the computer, where he sits for most of the day talking to other fans of old TV shows and sci fi. He doesn't work. Doesn't do much housework. I caught her on the stairs as she was coming down to leave for school, she was in an awful state. I hugged her and whispered "please tell a teacher." I kissed her on the cheek and quickly stepped back as I heard him coming back out into the hallway. She left with her brother who had witnessed it all.
I went into the kitchen, I had just done all the washing up but there was his usual porridge bowl left in the sink. I couldn't bring up what had just happened so I asked him if he could please just wash it up quickly as I'd just done everything else. "No," he said, "I don't see the point of washing one thing. I'll do it when there's more to do, when there's a few items." I wash up as I go, so it rarely builds up. I asked again, stating that it'd only take 20 seconds to do. "I'm not wasting washing up liquid on one thing." So, I told him to use the washing up sponge as there is washing up liquid in it, as I'd just used it. He replied, "I don't like the feel of the sponge in my hands."
I know he'd just physically assaulted our daughter, and now making excuses as to why he can't wash up his own bowl. I've had this shit throughout our whole marriage. His emotional abuse which has started to turn into physical abuse. His excuses as to why he can't do anything, even when I ask.
I went upstairs to be away from him and to put washing away, he followed me up. Almost as if he knew he'd done something wrong and needed to talk to me to justify it.
"She's a fucking lunatic, isn't she!" He huffed at me, whilst wearing a fleece blanket as a cape. He was wearing a dressing gown in the house up until last week but can't wear it now because he has regenerated. (I know this sounds mad, he has Asperger's and wears everything in order, his year is split up into four sets of 13, he will wear a certain set of clothes for 13 weeks, then "regenerate" - like doctor who - and wear different stuff.... I know... Bear with me please!!)
I looked at him, fucking annoyed by the fleece blanket and all the fuckwittery it represents. "She's going to tell a teacher, we will end up with social services involved..."
"Good!" He threw his hands up and screamed "They can take her away and put her in a home! I won't have to put up with the fat cow ever again!"
From this point on I sat on the bed, with my phone on my lap, secretly filming our conversation. I have him admitting he hit her, that she "drives him to it" (classic abuser language). I stayed calm. Tried to tell him what he should have done to avoid what had just happened. He doesn't listen. He's always right.
I get a message on WhatsApp from my daughter. She can't find her head of year and can I please send an email to him. I send an email, just saying that she urgently needs to speak to him. Within half an hour she sends me another message saying she's now in the office and about to tell him.
My husband is back in front of the computer by now, typing away, wearing his blanket.
I shout in that I'm going for a walk before it rains and leave.
I drive about two minutes down the road, pull over and cry my eyes out. I only have three friends but I ring one, he tells me to come over. I spend most of the day sat with my friend and his husband. Both telling me that the police need to be involved, we need out of there. I know we do. I have a phone call from the school, asking if it's safe to talk, if I'm ok. The teacher says he's in shock, my daughter is one of the loveliest girls he's ever taught and he'd never have imagined we were going through anything like this. He says he has to report it to the police, I agree. He tells me to come to the school at the end of the day, as my daughter feels unsafe to go home. I'm interviewed by the safeguarding team, by the principal, then by MASH and a social worker. I'm finally being listened to. I finally feel supported.
I have tried in the past to escape. I've tried to apply for a council house, I was told that I was making my children and I voluntarily homeless, so I didn't qualify for one. I contacted the Samaritans, three times. I contacted women's aid. I contacted his psychotherapist, who diagnosed him, who basically told me not to expect any more from him as he has Asperger's. There was never any practical help. I felt ignored. It was my bed, I had to lie in it. I was even told once that emotional abuse is so hard to prove, if he'd only hit me there would be bruises as evidence...
I was asked if I had anywhere to go for the night. I said no. Nobody I know would be able to or even has room for us. So the school paid for our first night at a hotel, they even ordered pizza for us. I'm in total shock. Our social worker sees us into the hotel, hands me £10, makes sure we're ok, says she will be in touch again on Monday morning and leaves. We stand in that hotel room, eating pizza and crying. I ring my friend again. He offers to pay for the rest of the weekend. I find it hard to accept but I have to, we can't go home.
It's now Sunday morning. We've been here since Friday night. The kids are fine, mostly. My husband has tried to contact me twice. Once on Friday night at about 9pm, once he finally realised that we're probably not coming home and again yesterday afternoon. He left a voicemail, obviously drunk, but so sorry, he wants us all home, he hates this life, he realises what he did was wrong, please come home. I ignore it. My Son keeps repeating that his Dad deserves this, he's deserved it for a long time. "All the times he's ignored us and now he's getting it he doesn't like it!"
I'm in shock, hiding it from the kids, we left without anything. I've had to buy a few clothes and shoes for them as all they had was their uniforms. The police are meant to be speaking to him but I've no idea if they have yet. As of Friday evening the social workers couldn't get hold of the police to find out if they'd been to see him yet. We are in limbo. But we are together. My daughter keeps crying, as if she feels guilty for having caused us to lose our home. I reassure her that she did exactly the right thing. I'm not going anywhere without her.
I just don't know what's going to happen. I needed to vent, thank you if you've managed to read all this, it's very early on a Sunday morning and my brain is a bit frazzled....

OP posts:
OhwhyOY · 15/05/2023 15:59

Great news OP, hopefully he will stay away and you and the kids can get settled properly into a new, happier life. We'll done for being so brave, I know you wish you had done it sooner but the fact that you have done it now shows you are strong. Good luck with job hunting.

phoyah · 20/05/2023 16:16

Hi! Another update for anyone still following... I saw him yesterday briefly, he rang and said he needed to talk to me urgently. I met him in a park and he told me he's being evicted from his mother's flat. He even asked if he could come "home"!! His mum lives in retirement sheltered housing and him being there might be breeching the tenancy agreement, although he's not sure and neither is his mother. The flat is a one bedroom (but two bed, two max inhabitant) flat so I'm not sure what the problem is. I've told him his mother needs to contact the council and ask the housing association for permission for him to be there but they have every right to refuse. He told me he's going to take his own life if he ends up homeless, even his mother agreed he'll have no other option...! (I shit you not.) I hate that he seems to have put all this onto me to sort for him. We were talking and he still believes this is all my daughter's fault, he has very little self awareness and even asked if I could talk to her to make her drop "all this stupidity". I'm already anxious enough, applying for every suitable job I come across and seemingly getting nowhere. Why should I feel like him and his mother are my responsibility too? He's been away from the house for two weeks, in that time he's had an argument with three different people to do with his antidepressant prescription and the housing association. "I went beserk, I had to!" I've heard that so many times over the past 20 odd years. Hearing him say it again actually made me feel sick. He doesn't own a mobile because he doesn't "want to be a part of the 21st century", so he's completely cut off from googling for advice or anything like that. I just feel like I should help him, not for him, but for me and the kids. Just to make sure he knows he's not coming back. Ever. But I don't want to have to. I don't actually care. I just want him to go away and leave us alone forever.

I should mention that the house is his, he bought it about 10 years before I even met him. He never did a thing with it, it was still decorated how the previous owners had it when I moved there. (Floor to ceiling mirrors in the bedroom and all - I soon ripped those fucking things out!) I have spent near enough all of my savings on the house over the past twenty years that I've lived there. I paid for a driveway for my car, I had a new bathroom put in, I even built the kitchen myself as well as redecorate the whole place numerous times. Plus I've paid the majority of the bills for 20 years. Plus he's been an absolute arsehole for near enough our entire relationship. Why do I feel guilty that we've stolen his home?!!

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loislovesstewie · 20/05/2023 16:42

You have nothing to feel guilty about. He has behaved appallingly to you and your children and the current situation is entirely of his making. The family home is for the benefit of the children not him and he needs to understand that. His housing issues are his as well, nothing to do with you, you owe him nothing, had he been a great husband and father he wouldn't be in this situation. He is trying to guilt trip you, please don't allow him to do that. Your responsibility is solely to your children, to safeguard and protect the. Carry on doing that. On Monday tell the authorities exactly what he is trying to do so that it's noted. You need others to be aware of his attempts to return and also that he is causing issues no matter where he is.
Please look after yourself and your kids, not him.

loislovesstewie · 20/05/2023 16:43

Sorry for typos!

AgrathaChristie · 20/05/2023 16:45

Refer him and his mum to SS. Call SS say vulnerable elderly lady, vulnerable son with ASD and let them take over.
You’ve put money into the marital home, you’ll be entitled to part of the equity when it’s sold.
You've done so well, you know letting him back in would be back to square one.
Keep going, you’re doing brilliantly.

REignbow · 20/05/2023 17:07

It doesn’t matter that he bought the house 10 years prior to you marrying him. You have been married for 20 years so own the property, regardless that his name is solely on the deeds.

Do not feel guilty about him. Feel enraged for your DC, especially your daughter who he still blames for this situation.

As the PP said, call adult SS and tell them about him and his mother. Tell them the police asked him to leave the family home because of his abuse. That he needs to help with housing.

I would stop calling him and being in contact. Call SS, tell him and leave him to it. He’s not your priority anymore.

Needapadlockonmyfridge · 20/05/2023 18:31

As others have said, it is largely irrelevant that his sole name is on the Deeds. It is a marital asset.

I think calling SS is a good idea. Ignore his messages and calls. Leave it to SS to deal with him.

SquishyGloopyBum · 20/05/2023 19:04

Op, you need to stop talking to him.

His suicide ref is pure manipulation.

It is not your responsibility. He doesn't even see what he's done wrong!

Please read up on FOG (fear, obligation, guilt).

Are you doing the freedom programme?

I'm concerned he's reeling you back in. You have to step up here. It's hard when you have had a lifetime of conditioning.

Step away from him, stop talking to him.

pillsthrillsandbellyache · 21/05/2023 07:21

Agree with PP, stop talking to him and definitely stop meeting him. You and your children have been incredibly brave, do they know you have been having so much contact with him? Are the school, ss and police still involved?
Well done for escaping and good luck. You and your children will thrive away from this arsehole.

rainbowstardrops · 21/05/2023 09:55

So he's still not taking responsibility for the situation and is still blaming your daughter!
You need to cut ties with him and stop meeting and worrying about him. He's a grown adult. Not your child.

Snorkello · 22/05/2023 07:52

Pp advice is spot on. Don’t call him again or take his calls. Get SS and the police involved. House is a marital asset so that for the lawyers to sort out.

as for jobs, look further afield in terms of what you can do - cleaning, shelf stacking, waiting tables, barista job. any work is good right now. You haven’t mentioned your career or qualifications, but I would be taking any opportunity whilst you find something in your area of expertise.

Get onto the lawyers to sort the marital situation.

you’re doing great, and he is gaslighting you. Don’t succumb to his emotional manipulation x

phoyah · 22/05/2023 12:18

I really don't feel like I'm doing great, I feel completely lost. I have no area of expertise, I had no career before I had my children. I was a post woman for about 8 years prior to having my daughter. But that's where I met him and the rest is history.
I'm applying for every suitable cleaner job I find, yet don't hear back from any of them. I've applied for a couple of driving jobs, delivering car parts and prescriptions, that sort of thing, but again, I never hear a word back. To be honest I'm scared of being sent somewhere (by the universal credit work coach) where I'll end up crying or being a wreck, I've spent over 20 years feeling this way already, the last thing I need is being made to feel even more crap, or even regretting escaping him.
I've got a court hearing on the 13th June (the day before my daughter's 16th birthday) for the occupation order. I wasn't going to carry on with it considering he left the house but now I'm thinking I should go ahead just to give us that extra security. I don't need him thinking he can come back. The house is still full of his crap. I've just had to set up direct debit to pay for the council tax and I'm feeling utterly overwhelmed.

I've never had a clue what I've actually wanted to do for work. I can't even train for anything because I'm completely clueless. I just feel so lost and helpless. I'll just keep applying for things and hope that something crops up.

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Snorkello · 22/05/2023 12:38

Okay, first, take a deep breath.

second, you can do anything! It just doesn’t have to be a career right now. Pop down to the local job centre or go online. Get your cv out there and get in touch with the post office. Maybe they have a clerk role there. I’m the meantime, there are tons of side hustles you can try like online surveys that pay. you can even set yourself up as a cleaner or research jobs that need no training. Set aside some time for research. Trawl the internet!

coffee shops, deliveroo, and retailers are also a good shout. So set aside another day to walk about town and see who is looking.

do not fear not being good enough. As women, we have so many self doubts that hold us back. I promise, you will find something, but it might take a bit of time and know that the right opportunity will arise.

agree you should go ahead with the court order, take a day to celebrate your daughter’s birthday. One day at a time x

Billybagpuss · 22/05/2023 12:55

If you’re looking at cleaning jobs why don’t you try self employment, you’ll have much more control over everything and plenty of help will be forthcoming on here.

Brieandme · 22/05/2023 13:48

Have a look on your local councils website as well. They have policies in place for recruitment to try and help those who haven't been in work due to caring responsibilities and usually have guidance on their sites about how you can evidence skills through other means.
Please don't be disheartened about not hearing back though, it is common with entry level jobs but something will come up.

loislovesstewie · 22/05/2023 16:09

Please take a breath and take each problem one step at a time. Firstly deal with the occupation order, then deal with getting a divorce, then look for ijobs. At present you can't see the wood for the trees and it's all overwhelming. Once one thing goes right for you every thing else will follow. It won't be sorted today or tomorrow, but in time you will look back and realize how far you have come. Remember ' a journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step'.
Ask social services for any advice, don't be afraid to seek help anywhere. There may well be organisations who could offer support. You just need to be pointed in the right direction.
And keep posting, lots of us are willing you on.

loislovesstewie · 22/05/2023 16:10

Sorry typos again!

feelingfree17 · 22/05/2023 23:35

There is no doubt that your confidence and self belief will be very low due to years of his abuse. But, please realise just what you have achieved already. You have been incredible, and you just need to keep moving forward, one tiny step at a time.
With regards to work, I think you need a job where you don’t need to think too much at the moment. A cleaning job would be perfect. As someone else suggested, go self employed. Once you have your first customer, the recommendations will start to come in too. Depends where you are, but in my area £15 per hour is the going rate.

REignbow · 23/05/2023 00:35

Well done on proceeding with the occupation order.

Hiddenvoice · 23/05/2023 07:16

I know it’s hard but listen to everyone here, we all think you’re doing an amazing job!

He is trying to guilt you into letting him come home. He thinks he can still control you and that saying he thinks it’s all his daughters fault in the hope that you think you two are okay. Carry on with your court order. As you say, he needs to start doing things for himself. He needs to bring himself into this century and start looking for the answers/ advice.

Keep looking for jobs, as a pp suggested, look af local council jobs too. If you’re in the UK do you ‘sign on’ for jobs seekers allowance? They have advisors who can meet with you weekly to help look for jobs and give advice. They usually hold cv writing sessions and can help give direction into best places to look etc.

ThePoshUns · 24/05/2023 08:52

Stay strong OP you are doing great. Make sure you are getting all the benefits you are entitled to.
Have you been to the job centre, they may have some free courses to help you back into the work place? Otherwise what about pub / cafe work? I'd take what I can just to get back in the workplace and move on from there rather than wait for my dream job.
Are you in touch with Women's Aid? They can help / support you as well,
Good luck

Boxingdayhunts · 29/12/2023 00:56

I hope you’re ok @phoyah

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