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Have finally left, but we're now terrified.

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phoyah · 23/04/2023 06:51

On Friday morning my husband hit our daughter (15), in front of our son (13). It wasn't the first time. It was just before school, there was the usual banter between them, it got out of control, with it descending into violence. He cornered her, announced he was going to smack her, then did. She was crying, shouting, "move away from me, step back!" I felt unable to intervene. I have experienced his temper for 22 years. Although he's never laid a finger on me, I have had over half my life of gaslighting, silent treatment, just basic mind fuckery. She ran up to her room. I wasn't allowed to go up and make sure she was ok, never allowed to be a good mum because then I was defending her, "pandering to her". He went back into the front room, back in front of the computer, where he sits for most of the day talking to other fans of old TV shows and sci fi. He doesn't work. Doesn't do much housework. I caught her on the stairs as she was coming down to leave for school, she was in an awful state. I hugged her and whispered "please tell a teacher." I kissed her on the cheek and quickly stepped back as I heard him coming back out into the hallway. She left with her brother who had witnessed it all.
I went into the kitchen, I had just done all the washing up but there was his usual porridge bowl left in the sink. I couldn't bring up what had just happened so I asked him if he could please just wash it up quickly as I'd just done everything else. "No," he said, "I don't see the point of washing one thing. I'll do it when there's more to do, when there's a few items." I wash up as I go, so it rarely builds up. I asked again, stating that it'd only take 20 seconds to do. "I'm not wasting washing up liquid on one thing." So, I told him to use the washing up sponge as there is washing up liquid in it, as I'd just used it. He replied, "I don't like the feel of the sponge in my hands."
I know he'd just physically assaulted our daughter, and now making excuses as to why he can't wash up his own bowl. I've had this shit throughout our whole marriage. His emotional abuse which has started to turn into physical abuse. His excuses as to why he can't do anything, even when I ask.
I went upstairs to be away from him and to put washing away, he followed me up. Almost as if he knew he'd done something wrong and needed to talk to me to justify it.
"She's a fucking lunatic, isn't she!" He huffed at me, whilst wearing a fleece blanket as a cape. He was wearing a dressing gown in the house up until last week but can't wear it now because he has regenerated. (I know this sounds mad, he has Asperger's and wears everything in order, his year is split up into four sets of 13, he will wear a certain set of clothes for 13 weeks, then "regenerate" - like doctor who - and wear different stuff.... I know... Bear with me please!!)
I looked at him, fucking annoyed by the fleece blanket and all the fuckwittery it represents. "She's going to tell a teacher, we will end up with social services involved..."
"Good!" He threw his hands up and screamed "They can take her away and put her in a home! I won't have to put up with the fat cow ever again!"
From this point on I sat on the bed, with my phone on my lap, secretly filming our conversation. I have him admitting he hit her, that she "drives him to it" (classic abuser language). I stayed calm. Tried to tell him what he should have done to avoid what had just happened. He doesn't listen. He's always right.
I get a message on WhatsApp from my daughter. She can't find her head of year and can I please send an email to him. I send an email, just saying that she urgently needs to speak to him. Within half an hour she sends me another message saying she's now in the office and about to tell him.
My husband is back in front of the computer by now, typing away, wearing his blanket.
I shout in that I'm going for a walk before it rains and leave.
I drive about two minutes down the road, pull over and cry my eyes out. I only have three friends but I ring one, he tells me to come over. I spend most of the day sat with my friend and his husband. Both telling me that the police need to be involved, we need out of there. I know we do. I have a phone call from the school, asking if it's safe to talk, if I'm ok. The teacher says he's in shock, my daughter is one of the loveliest girls he's ever taught and he'd never have imagined we were going through anything like this. He says he has to report it to the police, I agree. He tells me to come to the school at the end of the day, as my daughter feels unsafe to go home. I'm interviewed by the safeguarding team, by the principal, then by MASH and a social worker. I'm finally being listened to. I finally feel supported.
I have tried in the past to escape. I've tried to apply for a council house, I was told that I was making my children and I voluntarily homeless, so I didn't qualify for one. I contacted the Samaritans, three times. I contacted women's aid. I contacted his psychotherapist, who diagnosed him, who basically told me not to expect any more from him as he has Asperger's. There was never any practical help. I felt ignored. It was my bed, I had to lie in it. I was even told once that emotional abuse is so hard to prove, if he'd only hit me there would be bruises as evidence...
I was asked if I had anywhere to go for the night. I said no. Nobody I know would be able to or even has room for us. So the school paid for our first night at a hotel, they even ordered pizza for us. I'm in total shock. Our social worker sees us into the hotel, hands me £10, makes sure we're ok, says she will be in touch again on Monday morning and leaves. We stand in that hotel room, eating pizza and crying. I ring my friend again. He offers to pay for the rest of the weekend. I find it hard to accept but I have to, we can't go home.
It's now Sunday morning. We've been here since Friday night. The kids are fine, mostly. My husband has tried to contact me twice. Once on Friday night at about 9pm, once he finally realised that we're probably not coming home and again yesterday afternoon. He left a voicemail, obviously drunk, but so sorry, he wants us all home, he hates this life, he realises what he did was wrong, please come home. I ignore it. My Son keeps repeating that his Dad deserves this, he's deserved it for a long time. "All the times he's ignored us and now he's getting it he doesn't like it!"
I'm in shock, hiding it from the kids, we left without anything. I've had to buy a few clothes and shoes for them as all they had was their uniforms. The police are meant to be speaking to him but I've no idea if they have yet. As of Friday evening the social workers couldn't get hold of the police to find out if they'd been to see him yet. We are in limbo. But we are together. My daughter keeps crying, as if she feels guilty for having caused us to lose our home. I reassure her that she did exactly the right thing. I'm not going anywhere without her.
I just don't know what's going to happen. I needed to vent, thank you if you've managed to read all this, it's very early on a Sunday morning and my brain is a bit frazzled....

OP posts:
phoyah · 03/05/2023 09:48

Thank you everyone, you've no idea how much you've all helped!
Your words of encouragement have meant the absolute world to me atm!
I feel a wreck.
I'll keep you updated with whatever happens today.
Thank you xxxxxxx

OP posts:
FuckoffeeBeforeCoffee · 03/05/2023 10:22

phoyah · 03/05/2023 09:48

Thank you everyone, you've no idea how much you've all helped!
Your words of encouragement have meant the absolute world to me atm!
I feel a wreck.
I'll keep you updated with whatever happens today.
Thank you xxxxxxx

You're doing amazingly.

EmmaGrundyForPM · 03/05/2023 11:30

I've just come across this thread. You're amazing OP, and I hope you and the children are bearing up OK

rockingbird · 03/05/2023 16:36

Sounds like OO is the way forward, sadly the social worker is just looking for the easy route and has mis-informed you. You know he's going to play the hard game so just prepare yourself for that. Make it clear to CP team that the bast place for your children is in their normal home not a hotel room and certainly not in another county. I know it's hard right now but trust the process, make it crystal clear you want to remain in the home and you want him out asap. You've got this, day by day things will start to come good.

Brieandme · 03/05/2023 16:56

Anyone who thinks the social worker is trying to get the OP into a refugee because it's the 'easy' thing to do, clearly hasnt tried to get someone a refuge spot recently. Much easier for SS for mum and kids to return home with a private order in place! It's likely the social worker hasn't come across this situation before and was misinformed.

OP hope you've managed to get somewhere with this today and that things are looking positive for you.

Selfesteem22 · 03/05/2023 17:44

Just been following you are amazing OP

rockingbird · 04/05/2023 06:39

@Brieandme not like a SS to misinform.. lack of information on the situation is just not good enough. How about 'I don't know the answer to that question but let me ask my manager' or something along those lines. Oh and having spent last summer in temp accommodation myself with my 2 dc I'm fully aware of the lack of availability. Keep going OP, push for answers on OO and get yourself and DC back into your home.

Needapadlockonmyfridge · 07/05/2023 09:42

How are you and your children, OP? Flowers

phoyah · 08/05/2023 07:20

We are doing really well!
He finally voluntarily left the house and has gone to live with his mother. It's going to take a while to shift all his stuff out but we are just so thrilled to have our home back!
The kids are great, I'm just talking through things with them so far, things keep cropping up from the past, how he behaved, things he did that were wrong or hurtful. The bank holiday helps, we're going to spend today going through their rooms (much like we did their school bags on that picnic table in the park), get rid of unwanted things and just have a general clear out. I'm trying to keep everything positive for them. They've already commented on how much better the atmosphere in the house is, how they no longer feel they're walking on eggshells. They're never going to worry about being ignored or teased again. Or being told they have to do something he wants to do or face consequences.
I've also moved the bloody computer chair into the shed as I keep seeing him sitting in it. Grrr.

I have spoken to him on the phone. He's been to the doctors and is on antidepressants now. (He had been told for years that he should be on medication but he refused point blank every single time.) He seems much calmer and seems to understand all the upset and hurt he caused. But, to be perfectly honest, I don't care. Far too late. My sole concern is the kids now.

I've already filled in an online form to apply for the single adult council tax reduction, am looking at the universal credit application and will also be looking for a part time job!
Life is going to be so much better, but one day at a time, one foot in front of the other, we'll get there.

OP posts:
Needapadlockonmyfridge · 08/05/2023 07:45

I am so pleased for you and your kids. Onwards and upwards!

Enjoy your Bank Holiday without the stress of Knobhead!

Snorkello · 08/05/2023 07:53

I’m so pleased for you all! Sending lots of hugs as you settle back in. Few hurdles yet to jump, but you’ve got this! Best of luck OP

Callyem · 08/05/2023 08:39

I cried reading this. Am so happy to see your latest update x

pointythings · 08/05/2023 08:56

What a brilliant update, here's to a long happy life for you and your DC in a house without him in it.

loislovesstewie · 08/05/2023 09:41

So pleased to see your latest update. I wish you all that you wish yourself. I hope you have many more years of peace and quiet and love.

ThePoshUns · 08/05/2023 11:08

Ahh I am so pleased for you and your children.
That's great news.
I hope his poor mother is able to cope with him.

rockingbird · 08/05/2023 11:10

I'm so happy to read your update OP and delighted for you all. You've done the hard part, now you'll start living the rest of your lives happier not putting up with that man.

EmmaGrundyForPM · 08/05/2023 17:54

Fantastic update OP. Hopefully things will settle down and you and the children can get on with your lives

Hiddenvoice · 10/05/2023 06:54

I am so pleased with your recent update. Things are moving forward and you’re finally getting somewhere. It’s great you’re all home now and can start focussing on moving on without him.
It’s good he’s finally getting some help but as you said it’s too late.

rainbowstardrops · 10/05/2023 08:58

That's fantastic @phoyah! Enjoy your life with your children!

Paperdolly · 14/05/2023 08:37

What a great role model you are to your kids. You’ve shown such strength in removing them from a bad situation. Keep on keeping on 👍🏻

Fullofdoubtsme · 14/05/2023 22:28

You are so brave... congratulations you should feel very proud. I could make your post my own up till when you took action. I'm still struggling to get out... 1,5 year since I said wanted to separate but he's still controlling, doesn't accept to sign divorce, etc... anyway this aint about me but just wanted to say you help others by sharing your story.
Telling kids to tell things in school is a good idea though, I'll tell my daughter.
Hope you are well x

Smooshface · 15/05/2023 06:35

So glad to hear all of that, glad you are back in your home, what a relief!

phoyah · 15/05/2023 08:12

Fullofdoubtsme · 14/05/2023 22:28

You are so brave... congratulations you should feel very proud. I could make your post my own up till when you took action. I'm still struggling to get out... 1,5 year since I said wanted to separate but he's still controlling, doesn't accept to sign divorce, etc... anyway this aint about me but just wanted to say you help others by sharing your story.
Telling kids to tell things in school is a good idea though, I'll tell my daughter.
Hope you are well x

I hope you can get help. I won't lie by telling you it's an easy path, but the school will have easier access to lots of the support networks you'll need. Starting with their own safeguarding team.
One thing I'll say is that your daughter needs to tell an actual teacher. A couple of years ago, we contacted a counselling organisation that ran through the school. It took a few weeks to get appointments with them, but once a week for six weeks my daughter was taken out of a lesson to talk to a counsellor. She told him everything. Nothing was done. It just kind of reinforced the belief that we were making a fuss over nothing. Especially when the counsellor actually told my daughter to "have a nice bath" or "make yourself a cup of tea" when her father was being annoying. It actually baffles me now. If the level of abuse was just spotted then, like I was hoping, we'd have been freer much sooner. I have definitely felt brainwashed by him. Everything was my daughter's fault. Having her actually speak to a counsellor and then having her come home and telling me that she told him about the window incident, and he told her to "have a cup of tea to get over it" really makes me angry now.
So please, get help. It's not easy, you'll constantly ask yourself if you've done the right thing, but you will have done! The end result is so worth it! Even if to just teach your daughter to never put up with such shit from any man. Xxxxxx

OP posts:
phoyah · 15/05/2023 08:15

Thank you so much everyone!
We are doing really well! The house is so calm now.
It has taken me a while to adjust though, I actually found myself ringing him every day to make sure he was ok! I have absolutely no idea why. Some kind of fucked up Stockholm syndrome possibly. Years of doing everything for him will take a while to break I think. But at least I kind of recognise that now. He's a grown man. Sod him. Plus his anti depressants are wearing off, or he's getting used to them, so definitely sod him.
My son was upset the other evening, I sat him down to talk to me and gently asked if he missed him. "No, of course not!!" Turns out he just really, really hates doing Maths at school!

His stuff is still everywhere, I've started boxing the more annoying things up. A stupid metal calendar thing that kept track of what week in his 13 week cycle of regeneration or whatever the fuckwit did was the first to be buried at the bottom of a box. Then 'his' knives, forks and spoons that he hated anyone else using. I'll feel much better when it's all gone but I don't see when that is going to happen. His mother only has a smallish flat and he won't get anywhere for himself. The kids have said he's like a parasite and now he's in with his mother, he won't see the need to go anywhere else.

Another thing is that lately I've been nodding off, like seriously zonking out. Almost as if I've been anaesthetised. A friend told me that could be all the stress from the past 23 years finally leaving me.

I've started job searching. Just something part time for now. I'm kind of looking forward to a bit of structure in my day as at the minute I'm just wandering about spotting his stuff everywhere. Then nodding off.

The kids are so happy to be free of him though. That's all that matters!

OP posts:
Brieandme · 15/05/2023 09:10

Really lovely to hear your update OP, I must admit I was worried for you about whether it was realistic that he would actually leave the house, given how controlling/set in his ways he is. I'm so pleased for you that you're able to stay in the home and start adjusting to the peace without him.