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Have finally left, but we're now terrified.

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phoyah · 23/04/2023 06:51

On Friday morning my husband hit our daughter (15), in front of our son (13). It wasn't the first time. It was just before school, there was the usual banter between them, it got out of control, with it descending into violence. He cornered her, announced he was going to smack her, then did. She was crying, shouting, "move away from me, step back!" I felt unable to intervene. I have experienced his temper for 22 years. Although he's never laid a finger on me, I have had over half my life of gaslighting, silent treatment, just basic mind fuckery. She ran up to her room. I wasn't allowed to go up and make sure she was ok, never allowed to be a good mum because then I was defending her, "pandering to her". He went back into the front room, back in front of the computer, where he sits for most of the day talking to other fans of old TV shows and sci fi. He doesn't work. Doesn't do much housework. I caught her on the stairs as she was coming down to leave for school, she was in an awful state. I hugged her and whispered "please tell a teacher." I kissed her on the cheek and quickly stepped back as I heard him coming back out into the hallway. She left with her brother who had witnessed it all.
I went into the kitchen, I had just done all the washing up but there was his usual porridge bowl left in the sink. I couldn't bring up what had just happened so I asked him if he could please just wash it up quickly as I'd just done everything else. "No," he said, "I don't see the point of washing one thing. I'll do it when there's more to do, when there's a few items." I wash up as I go, so it rarely builds up. I asked again, stating that it'd only take 20 seconds to do. "I'm not wasting washing up liquid on one thing." So, I told him to use the washing up sponge as there is washing up liquid in it, as I'd just used it. He replied, "I don't like the feel of the sponge in my hands."
I know he'd just physically assaulted our daughter, and now making excuses as to why he can't wash up his own bowl. I've had this shit throughout our whole marriage. His emotional abuse which has started to turn into physical abuse. His excuses as to why he can't do anything, even when I ask.
I went upstairs to be away from him and to put washing away, he followed me up. Almost as if he knew he'd done something wrong and needed to talk to me to justify it.
"She's a fucking lunatic, isn't she!" He huffed at me, whilst wearing a fleece blanket as a cape. He was wearing a dressing gown in the house up until last week but can't wear it now because he has regenerated. (I know this sounds mad, he has Asperger's and wears everything in order, his year is split up into four sets of 13, he will wear a certain set of clothes for 13 weeks, then "regenerate" - like doctor who - and wear different stuff.... I know... Bear with me please!!)
I looked at him, fucking annoyed by the fleece blanket and all the fuckwittery it represents. "She's going to tell a teacher, we will end up with social services involved..."
"Good!" He threw his hands up and screamed "They can take her away and put her in a home! I won't have to put up with the fat cow ever again!"
From this point on I sat on the bed, with my phone on my lap, secretly filming our conversation. I have him admitting he hit her, that she "drives him to it" (classic abuser language). I stayed calm. Tried to tell him what he should have done to avoid what had just happened. He doesn't listen. He's always right.
I get a message on WhatsApp from my daughter. She can't find her head of year and can I please send an email to him. I send an email, just saying that she urgently needs to speak to him. Within half an hour she sends me another message saying she's now in the office and about to tell him.
My husband is back in front of the computer by now, typing away, wearing his blanket.
I shout in that I'm going for a walk before it rains and leave.
I drive about two minutes down the road, pull over and cry my eyes out. I only have three friends but I ring one, he tells me to come over. I spend most of the day sat with my friend and his husband. Both telling me that the police need to be involved, we need out of there. I know we do. I have a phone call from the school, asking if it's safe to talk, if I'm ok. The teacher says he's in shock, my daughter is one of the loveliest girls he's ever taught and he'd never have imagined we were going through anything like this. He says he has to report it to the police, I agree. He tells me to come to the school at the end of the day, as my daughter feels unsafe to go home. I'm interviewed by the safeguarding team, by the principal, then by MASH and a social worker. I'm finally being listened to. I finally feel supported.
I have tried in the past to escape. I've tried to apply for a council house, I was told that I was making my children and I voluntarily homeless, so I didn't qualify for one. I contacted the Samaritans, three times. I contacted women's aid. I contacted his psychotherapist, who diagnosed him, who basically told me not to expect any more from him as he has Asperger's. There was never any practical help. I felt ignored. It was my bed, I had to lie in it. I was even told once that emotional abuse is so hard to prove, if he'd only hit me there would be bruises as evidence...
I was asked if I had anywhere to go for the night. I said no. Nobody I know would be able to or even has room for us. So the school paid for our first night at a hotel, they even ordered pizza for us. I'm in total shock. Our social worker sees us into the hotel, hands me £10, makes sure we're ok, says she will be in touch again on Monday morning and leaves. We stand in that hotel room, eating pizza and crying. I ring my friend again. He offers to pay for the rest of the weekend. I find it hard to accept but I have to, we can't go home.
It's now Sunday morning. We've been here since Friday night. The kids are fine, mostly. My husband has tried to contact me twice. Once on Friday night at about 9pm, once he finally realised that we're probably not coming home and again yesterday afternoon. He left a voicemail, obviously drunk, but so sorry, he wants us all home, he hates this life, he realises what he did was wrong, please come home. I ignore it. My Son keeps repeating that his Dad deserves this, he's deserved it for a long time. "All the times he's ignored us and now he's getting it he doesn't like it!"
I'm in shock, hiding it from the kids, we left without anything. I've had to buy a few clothes and shoes for them as all they had was their uniforms. The police are meant to be speaking to him but I've no idea if they have yet. As of Friday evening the social workers couldn't get hold of the police to find out if they'd been to see him yet. We are in limbo. But we are together. My daughter keeps crying, as if she feels guilty for having caused us to lose our home. I reassure her that she did exactly the right thing. I'm not going anywhere without her.
I just don't know what's going to happen. I needed to vent, thank you if you've managed to read all this, it's very early on a Sunday morning and my brain is a bit frazzled....

OP posts:
hellywelly3 · 23/04/2023 08:27

It might seem you have a long difficult road ahead but you’ve been living a nightmare by the sounds of it. This is your first step to a better life for your children and you x

Downtown123 · 23/04/2023 08:27

Well done to your daughter she is so brave for speaking out especially this not being the first time it has happened. I hope she receives the right support through this as she must be terrified being attacked by a adult and no one helping her. Hope yous are back in your home soon without that abuser.

Dibbydoos · 23/04/2023 08:33

So there is no emergency accomodation for you? It's in someway understandable, but horrendous!

Have a look at rental property near you, you need to sign on and apply for UC if you're not working. SS should support an application for social housing - register for housing on your local authority website so you can see what's available. Also look on website of any housing association near you. But, it would have been more appropriate if your DH moved out. Maybe the police, if they arrest him, can ask the court to put in place a protection order so he cannot cone within a set distance of you and tge children and/or, if the new law is enacted, ask the court to place an order that prevents him from coming home for x weeks. At the end of x weeks they check to see if he can return home and you can say No. (I'm aware of it being used on the Isle if Man and it's very effective).

Once you have your home sorted you'll feel less fearful. You will be OK. Hold yoyr kids close, it'll be tough for a few weeks. Good luck, OP.

user1471538283 · 23/04/2023 08:45

Baby steps OP. After the weekend you'll know more from your police and social services. Hopefully they can get him out and you can move back in.

I know it's scary but you can do it!

He sounds vile. I expect he cannot believe it that you've finally had enough. He brings nothing to your lives and makes things worse.

I worried that my ex would make things difficult and he did about money but he didn't with anything else. My DF made him leave and there was only a half hearted effort for him to try and get back because his life was easier with me. Who could resist those charming words!

I hope he's the same.

newyearsresolurion · 23/04/2023 08:49

I've cried reading this! well done!! This is just the start of freedom!! Don't go back you will be ok in the end Flowers

feelingfree17 · 23/04/2023 10:11

So brave, and an incredible Mum to your two wonderful children. Stay strong, step by step and with the help that is out there for you, you will get your happy life.
Sending love

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TheGreyRockess · 23/04/2023 10:36

@ Kettrick That's really unhelpful and unkind too.

PollyAmour · 23/04/2023 10:51

Well done for leaving and big hugs to your DD for her bravery.

Asperger's is not to blame for your husband's behaviour. It's an insult to those living with Asperger's to suggest it is. He is simply an unpleasant man who should never have married and fathered children.

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loislovesstewie · 23/04/2023 11:03

People often don't behave in rational or logical ways when subjected to DV. I dealt with a family years ago who would not leave without the hamster. I bought them a cage and found a Refuge prepared to take the hamster. Other people put up with violence to them rather than leave another pet behind because the perpetrator has said if she goes he will kill /torture the pet. We had to come up with all sorts to get all of them including the pet out. I have had social workers pay for a night in a hotel and then contact the homeless section because doing something is what was required. In office hours they would contact me or a colleague in that section but I have known them do other things out of hours. Not all social workers ignore DV. I agree that it is difficult to get input on some matters, but I found DV did cause them to act quickly.

lidlbrownjug · 23/04/2023 11:04

I would go back to womens aid. And the council. They have a duty to house you as you've got children.

To be honest I've never heard of a school paying for a hotel and pizza for someone fleeing DV.

JustCheck · 23/04/2023 11:20

You would be surprised what schools do behind the scenes

lidlbrownjug · 23/04/2023 11:23

Possibly.

However, as the op has minor children the LA have a duty to house.

She also needs to get benefits sorted and in an account in her own name.

Do you own or rent op? Apologies if I've missed it.

Xrays · 23/04/2023 11:47

lidlbrownjug · 23/04/2023 11:04

I would go back to womens aid. And the council. They have a duty to house you as you've got children.

To be honest I've never heard of a school paying for a hotel and pizza for someone fleeing DV.

Different schools are different. We live in a rural Norfolk town and I reported my concerns about one of my dds friends a few years back. He was getting assaulted by his Dad and his Dad would often disappear for weeks leaving him with no food and no money for food - it came to light because dd had been using her lunch money to buy both her and her friend lunch, of course I was happy for her to do this and even got him some shopping a couple of times because I was so worried but it needed a long term intervention. The school provided short term accommodation whilst they got social services involved and gave him money to get emergency supplies. This was a lad of 16. He was eventually placed somewhere else permanently.

ThePoshUns · 23/04/2023 12:34

I'd like to think the police will arrest him for the assault on your daughter. This is your opportunity to give a statement too for what sounds like years of controlling / coercive behaviour. If he's arrested then ask for bail conditions- with conditions that he leaves your home, and he is not to contact you or the children. You must have so much to think about right now.
Also ask to be referred to an IDVA ( independent domestic violence advocate) who will support you through the process. Stay strong.

Winesoakedteatowel · 23/04/2023 12:50

You are so strong and so brave. Keep going OP I wish my mother had. Your daughter will always remember what you did to protect her by leaving.

phoyah · 23/04/2023 15:39

Thank you everyone to your support. Today has been a huge rollercoaster of emotions. Not least because of the one or two messages on here that have really upset me. I didn't realise my writing style would mean I'm embellishing things or just making things up. I only wish that were true.
Yes, he had recently hit her before, no, I'm ashamed to say, we didn't act. I was scared of making us homeless, as I was told would happen by the council because of emotional abuse I couldn't prove. I've only recently realised that I've almost been conditioned to accept that he cannot help his behaviour. I'm not the most confident when it comes to anything, I get anxious very easily. Plus having to have so much patience with him from the age of 17 until now. 23 years. I don't know what I'm trying to say, other than I'm confused, hurt, not sure what I'm doing other than I have to get my kids away from the situation that's been going on for far too long. Better late than never. Yes, the school paid for a hotel and pizza for the night. No, I wouldn't have believed it either. I don't need to justify myself to anyone that doesn't believe that. I just need to know that there are some absolutely amazing people, who I'd never have thought would have provided the level of help and support as that which I've experienced in the past few days. I'm sorry if the fact that I can string a sentence together with (hopefully) proper grammar suggests that my family can't be victims of domestic abuse.
Anyway, that aside, thank you to everyone for your words of support. Hopefully I'll feel less in limbo tomorrow.
Life, until now, has been difficult, his routines and ways of doing things have severely affected me and my children.
From now on it's all about us three.

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loislovesstewie · 23/04/2023 15:56

I'm sure social services will assist you in any homeless application, as will the school. If any other professional is also aware of what you have put up with then ask them to support you too. The more professionals who can support you the better. You are better off already.

lidlbrownjug · 23/04/2023 16:02

I'm sorry if the fact that I can string a sentence together with (hopefully) proper grammar suggests that my family can't be victims of domestic abuse.

I don’t think anyone honestly thinks that being able to string together a sentence with proper grammar means that a family can’t be victims of abuse.

phoyah · 23/04/2023 16:07

I'm sorry, my emotions are all over the place a bit today. Some comments just stung a bit considering the amount of crap I've put up with. Not being believed is just a total nightmare.

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phoyah · 23/04/2023 16:07

I'm sorry, my emotions are all over the place a bit today. Some comments just stung a bit considering the amount of crap I've put up with. Not being believed is just a total nightmare.

Don't take any notice of posters who say you are fabricating this, it's really not important. What is important is where you go from here. Have you heard from the police?

AgrathaChristie · 23/04/2023 16:33

phoyah · 23/04/2023 07:13

I left work after I had our son. He was sacked from his job that he'd had for 21 years the day that he went back after paternity leave. I had to drive (he doesn't drive) him to back and forth to tribunals with a toddler and a newborn. That was hard too. But I lived through it.
I do everything, I take his mother to hospital appointments, I sort everything with the house, I do all housework and gardening, everything to do with the kids clubs, I cook everything from scratch, I wash up. Absolutely everything. I have felt guilty for years, I should go back to work, warn money instead of living frugally off savings and tax credits. But that would have meant leaving them more with him. I've felt torn with everything for years.

You’ve done the right thing, being there to protect your dc as much as you could.
NONE of this is your fault or your dc’s. It’s 100% on your husband.
Stay put until tomorrow morning, borrow the money for another day and night in the hotel if necessary. It’s important that the police remove your husband so you can go home. Stay strong — this is the worst time but it will get better. 💐

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