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Have finally left, but we're now terrified.

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phoyah · 23/04/2023 06:51

On Friday morning my husband hit our daughter (15), in front of our son (13). It wasn't the first time. It was just before school, there was the usual banter between them, it got out of control, with it descending into violence. He cornered her, announced he was going to smack her, then did. She was crying, shouting, "move away from me, step back!" I felt unable to intervene. I have experienced his temper for 22 years. Although he's never laid a finger on me, I have had over half my life of gaslighting, silent treatment, just basic mind fuckery. She ran up to her room. I wasn't allowed to go up and make sure she was ok, never allowed to be a good mum because then I was defending her, "pandering to her". He went back into the front room, back in front of the computer, where he sits for most of the day talking to other fans of old TV shows and sci fi. He doesn't work. Doesn't do much housework. I caught her on the stairs as she was coming down to leave for school, she was in an awful state. I hugged her and whispered "please tell a teacher." I kissed her on the cheek and quickly stepped back as I heard him coming back out into the hallway. She left with her brother who had witnessed it all.
I went into the kitchen, I had just done all the washing up but there was his usual porridge bowl left in the sink. I couldn't bring up what had just happened so I asked him if he could please just wash it up quickly as I'd just done everything else. "No," he said, "I don't see the point of washing one thing. I'll do it when there's more to do, when there's a few items." I wash up as I go, so it rarely builds up. I asked again, stating that it'd only take 20 seconds to do. "I'm not wasting washing up liquid on one thing." So, I told him to use the washing up sponge as there is washing up liquid in it, as I'd just used it. He replied, "I don't like the feel of the sponge in my hands."
I know he'd just physically assaulted our daughter, and now making excuses as to why he can't wash up his own bowl. I've had this shit throughout our whole marriage. His emotional abuse which has started to turn into physical abuse. His excuses as to why he can't do anything, even when I ask.
I went upstairs to be away from him and to put washing away, he followed me up. Almost as if he knew he'd done something wrong and needed to talk to me to justify it.
"She's a fucking lunatic, isn't she!" He huffed at me, whilst wearing a fleece blanket as a cape. He was wearing a dressing gown in the house up until last week but can't wear it now because he has regenerated. (I know this sounds mad, he has Asperger's and wears everything in order, his year is split up into four sets of 13, he will wear a certain set of clothes for 13 weeks, then "regenerate" - like doctor who - and wear different stuff.... I know... Bear with me please!!)
I looked at him, fucking annoyed by the fleece blanket and all the fuckwittery it represents. "She's going to tell a teacher, we will end up with social services involved..."
"Good!" He threw his hands up and screamed "They can take her away and put her in a home! I won't have to put up with the fat cow ever again!"
From this point on I sat on the bed, with my phone on my lap, secretly filming our conversation. I have him admitting he hit her, that she "drives him to it" (classic abuser language). I stayed calm. Tried to tell him what he should have done to avoid what had just happened. He doesn't listen. He's always right.
I get a message on WhatsApp from my daughter. She can't find her head of year and can I please send an email to him. I send an email, just saying that she urgently needs to speak to him. Within half an hour she sends me another message saying she's now in the office and about to tell him.
My husband is back in front of the computer by now, typing away, wearing his blanket.
I shout in that I'm going for a walk before it rains and leave.
I drive about two minutes down the road, pull over and cry my eyes out. I only have three friends but I ring one, he tells me to come over. I spend most of the day sat with my friend and his husband. Both telling me that the police need to be involved, we need out of there. I know we do. I have a phone call from the school, asking if it's safe to talk, if I'm ok. The teacher says he's in shock, my daughter is one of the loveliest girls he's ever taught and he'd never have imagined we were going through anything like this. He says he has to report it to the police, I agree. He tells me to come to the school at the end of the day, as my daughter feels unsafe to go home. I'm interviewed by the safeguarding team, by the principal, then by MASH and a social worker. I'm finally being listened to. I finally feel supported.
I have tried in the past to escape. I've tried to apply for a council house, I was told that I was making my children and I voluntarily homeless, so I didn't qualify for one. I contacted the Samaritans, three times. I contacted women's aid. I contacted his psychotherapist, who diagnosed him, who basically told me not to expect any more from him as he has Asperger's. There was never any practical help. I felt ignored. It was my bed, I had to lie in it. I was even told once that emotional abuse is so hard to prove, if he'd only hit me there would be bruises as evidence...
I was asked if I had anywhere to go for the night. I said no. Nobody I know would be able to or even has room for us. So the school paid for our first night at a hotel, they even ordered pizza for us. I'm in total shock. Our social worker sees us into the hotel, hands me £10, makes sure we're ok, says she will be in touch again on Monday morning and leaves. We stand in that hotel room, eating pizza and crying. I ring my friend again. He offers to pay for the rest of the weekend. I find it hard to accept but I have to, we can't go home.
It's now Sunday morning. We've been here since Friday night. The kids are fine, mostly. My husband has tried to contact me twice. Once on Friday night at about 9pm, once he finally realised that we're probably not coming home and again yesterday afternoon. He left a voicemail, obviously drunk, but so sorry, he wants us all home, he hates this life, he realises what he did was wrong, please come home. I ignore it. My Son keeps repeating that his Dad deserves this, he's deserved it for a long time. "All the times he's ignored us and now he's getting it he doesn't like it!"
I'm in shock, hiding it from the kids, we left without anything. I've had to buy a few clothes and shoes for them as all they had was their uniforms. The police are meant to be speaking to him but I've no idea if they have yet. As of Friday evening the social workers couldn't get hold of the police to find out if they'd been to see him yet. We are in limbo. But we are together. My daughter keeps crying, as if she feels guilty for having caused us to lose our home. I reassure her that she did exactly the right thing. I'm not going anywhere without her.
I just don't know what's going to happen. I needed to vent, thank you if you've managed to read all this, it's very early on a Sunday morning and my brain is a bit frazzled....

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MindOfAnAthlete · 23/04/2023 16:37

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Winesoakedteatowel · 23/04/2023 16:54

@MindOfAnAthlete That information came after the first post. Changes the situation I agree.

JustCheck · 23/04/2023 17:41

Well maybe we should err on the side of positive and think about how DD and her mum made a plan and broke the cycle.

Hopingforbettertimesoon · 23/04/2023 17:48

phoyah · 23/04/2023 16:07

I'm sorry, my emotions are all over the place a bit today. Some comments just stung a bit considering the amount of crap I've put up with. Not being believed is just a total nightmare.

You are brave your daughter and son are brave. I hope this is the turning point for you to get away and make a better life for you all. It is so easy for people to say leave but only once you have been through something like this do you know it is not easy. it is actually so hard.

so when you do get out you deserve full support. I am so glad the school has acted to support you and get you to a safe space. I really hope you get your housing situation sorted out as soon as possible.

Look after each other, stay strong and I really wish
you all the best for the future.

phoyah · 23/04/2023 18:18

Thank you everyone. This is the hardest thing I've ever done. I just feel shattered!

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mumofblu · 23/04/2023 18:31

@phoyah
Whether you got help yourself or told your daughter to get help is irrelevant imo . The outcome is the same . You got help and escaped an abuser while keeping you all safe . Imagine if you called the police and your husband may have been a danger to you all while you waited .
You got her to a place of safety (school) you empowered her to ask for help ,what a brave girl .
And you avoided her seeing the police remove / arrest her father which would have been traumatic.

What matters now is moving forward as a team of 3

All the best xxx

WazzleEuuu · 23/04/2023 18:43

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It's a absolutely fantastic that you've left, I hope your children can move past this and have a healthy life and I hope you get some counselling of some sort

SeaDee · 23/04/2023 18:59

WazzleEuuu · 23/04/2023 18:43

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It's a absolutely fantastic that you've left, I hope your children can move past this and have a healthy life and I hope you get some counselling of some sort

Wow 👏

phoyah · 23/04/2023 19:09

Thank you, this is kind of what I was hoping for. We needed to do this but with as least amount of upset to the kids as possible. They've already lived through so much crap. If the way we escaped meant that it caused much less anxiety for them then that's all I can hope for. I can shoulder the rest of the anxiety. I know I should have acted sooner, it's something I'll regret forever. But we're on our way to freedom now. That's the main thing.
Thank you so much for stopping my mind from going into haywire mode!!

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TickTickTock · 25/04/2023 07:21

Hi OP, how are you and the kids doing?

I really admire your courage - you were all so brave to leave 😊

phoyah · 25/04/2023 09:27

Hi, thanks for your message. The kids are fine, that's the main thing. They seem happy to be away from him, they're laughing and joking with each other, usually they don't get along so well!
I, on the other hand, have been a complete wreck. Social services offered to move us to a refuge that's in another country, this could be for anywhere between 3 - 6 months. I broke down, my daughter is sitting her GCSEs and they both have a lovely circle of friends. I oddly felt like we were being punished for making such a fuss. In the end we've been put into a hotel that's 14 miles away from their school, whilst I'm grateful I'm worried about the amount of petrol I'm going to get through as money is extremely tight. The school rang the social worker and they basically ended up having a slanging match on loudspeaker. I felt useless, I felt like a pain in the arse but mostly (and worryingly) I considered just going back to avoid all this upset.
He still hasn't been contacted by the police, we're still waiting to be contacted.
I set up his messenger for him so (wrong of me) I logged in just to see what he's saying. He told one of his FB friends that he "got a bit nasty" with our daughter and now we've left. "You're not allowed to smack your kids any more, what a world!!"
I felt like he was trying to justify what he'd done. I feel even more determined to get them away from him.

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phoyah · 25/04/2023 09:28

County. Not country! Flipping autocorrect!!

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Billybagpuss · 25/04/2023 09:35

phoyah · 25/04/2023 09:27

Hi, thanks for your message. The kids are fine, that's the main thing. They seem happy to be away from him, they're laughing and joking with each other, usually they don't get along so well!
I, on the other hand, have been a complete wreck. Social services offered to move us to a refuge that's in another country, this could be for anywhere between 3 - 6 months. I broke down, my daughter is sitting her GCSEs and they both have a lovely circle of friends. I oddly felt like we were being punished for making such a fuss. In the end we've been put into a hotel that's 14 miles away from their school, whilst I'm grateful I'm worried about the amount of petrol I'm going to get through as money is extremely tight. The school rang the social worker and they basically ended up having a slanging match on loudspeaker. I felt useless, I felt like a pain in the arse but mostly (and worryingly) I considered just going back to avoid all this upset.
He still hasn't been contacted by the police, we're still waiting to be contacted.
I set up his messenger for him so (wrong of me) I logged in just to see what he's saying. He told one of his FB friends that he "got a bit nasty" with our daughter and now we've left. "You're not allowed to smack your kids any more, what a world!!"
I felt like he was trying to justify what he'd done. I feel even more determined to get them away from him.

Take a screen shot of this message

phoyah · 25/04/2023 09:48

Oh I have!!

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RecycleReuseRemind · 25/04/2023 09:48

Your priority is to protect yourself & your children now & to keep them safe from now onwards

Stop worrying or thinking about your ex

People will help you to live a better life

Good luck

SquishyGloopyBum · 25/04/2023 10:06

Have you been out in touch with other organisations that can help you? I think you need to push the police. You could also do with legal advice for an occupation order so you can get back into the house- it's in the best interests of the children to have a stable base. He should be the one to go.

Snorkello · 25/04/2023 10:18

Dont feel bad - you did the right thing. We have support in place for this very reason so lean on it. hold your head up high and know you have made the right decision, that you taking help is okay.

look at buses to school if it’s cheaper. or can you carpool for now with any of her school friends?

If you can access any cash do it now.

focus on free everything. Close out any direct debits etc. use food banks. Preserve cash.

you might not be back at yours for a while, so make plans assuming you have to start again with what you have in your bags.

keep pushing for help.

you are doing great. Just don’t post on Facebook. Head high! Rise above it.

phoyah · 25/04/2023 18:19

Thank you, am utterly overwhelmed by everyone's help and well wishes!

Just waiting on a 'strat' meeting between the school, social services and the police now. Every time I ring our social worker I get told "it'll be done soon" but am starting to feel a bit despondent. I know they're busy and everything but I just want to get the kids home.

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JayniSummers · 25/04/2023 18:50

I don't think I've read anything on my years on mumsnet that's brought me to tears as much as this story . Never go back to this man , you brave brave women

Spanglemum · 25/04/2023 19:07

Your husband definitely has autism/Asperger's but he's also abusive. You've basically been his carer and support worker for years. Could he go and live with his mother? I hope you continue getting support and he gets the outcome he deserves.

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 25/04/2023 22:56

Rooting for you and your children @phoyah I'm another one who thinks he should go and live with his mother. What an awful man. You, on the other hand sounds like a fab mother

Fluffyhoglets · 25/04/2023 23:52

Please contact a solicitor about getting an occupation order for the house and an order that he not go near any of you - this can be done as well as any police action and may get you back in the house more quickly.

roseheartfly · 26/04/2023 02:01

You brave person.

ThePoshUns · 26/04/2023 06:28

Agree with Fluffy. You need legal advice asap. Most family law solicitors offer an initial free appointment and if you're not working you may qualify for legal aid. He needs to leave the home and take his capes with him.

Beaverbridge · 26/04/2023 06:58

Stay strong lovely lady. I applaud your bravery, protecting your family. I hope you get all the help you need. 💐.