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Married to someone with Asperger's/ASD: support thread 8

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Daftasabroom · 12/04/2023 11:55

New thread.

This thread is for partners seeking to understand the dynamics of mixed NT/ND partnerships. It is a support thread, and a safe space to have a bit of a rant. Avoid sweeping generalisations if possible, try and keep it specific to you and your partner. (ASD partners welcome to lurk or pop in, but please don't argue with other posters and tell them they are wrong)

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MrsMaynardKeenan · 22/09/2023 17:28

Hello all - long time lurker but first time poster. Its been very supportive to read all your posts and experiences and has given me some hope that its not just me who struggles with these difficulties.

The previous posts about how to distinguish behaviours of differing kinds has prompted me to post - as this is something I struggle with particularly - am I being unreasonable? Is it me? I cannot tell anymore.

It seems to me that whenever I achieve something; or I am perceived as being the 'winner' of an argument that there is a concerted effort to seek vengeance - and i wondered whether anyone else had experienced this? Spiteful, passive aggressive things - like hiding my keys for example. And pretending not to know where they are. Its happened too many times to be a coincidence. Has anyone else experienced this kind of thing? Small, petty, low incidences of spite; and in every case I can find a root cause where I have done something better around the same time, or he has been proved wrong in some way. I dont go out of my way to outperform him, but I earn more and I feel he finds this to be threatening and emasculating.

The other issue relates to his lack of confidence in other areas. I find our sex life to be very lacking. And I dont want to lower the tone nor appear vulgar; but I have noticed significant challenges for him in this area.

When we first met; he was frightened of initiating relations; and it became my job. If I dont do it, it doesnt happen. When things dont go so well it causes him to suffer quite badly in confidence and as a result; I gave up trying some time ago. He now wont try at all and its become a sort of stalemate, impasse.

Given all our issues I no longer find him attractive, nor appealing; and I am close to ending things given the substantive issues the relationship poses -as so well articulated by you all. My needs are not being met either. And part of me has begun to feel that I might be better off with someone else.

I dont know what i am asking for here really. Just some validation that it isnt just me.

LoveFoolMe · 22/09/2023 18:28

It definitely isn't just you. It takes two to make a relationship and if the other person doesn't/can't do half the things a NT person would expect as a couple then it's unlikely to work well. I think we've all tried our best but if we're incompatible with our partners it's always going to be hard work and involve serious compromise. Or moving on.

I've no easy answers sadly.

Do you have children? I'm guessing it's easier to move on if you don't.

Re sex, my DH finds it difficult to distinguish between me wanting a cuddle and me wanting sex. From his perspective it's all or nothing. So for years he felt rejected if he thought I was being romantic if I wasn't in the mood for anything more. After one too many 'rejections' he decided I'd have to be the one to initiate and make it bluntly clear what I had in mind. So, although it goes against the grain for me it's what I have to do to keep that po art of our relationship alive. No room for romantic subtlety here!

MrsMaynardKeenan · 22/09/2023 18:36

Thank you so much for your reply - I appreciate it alot.

It goes a bit beyond what you have described; in that; he can't seem to perform at all (subtle or no!). And when it does happen; its poor and embarrassing. Mainly for him really.

No, thankfully we dont share any DCs so yes, moving on will be easy, in those terms. I think he would struggle to see that happen; but sadly the thought of meeting someone new without these challenges has become significantly stronger in recent times and I regularly meet other men who I feel would be more suitable for me. Its getting tough not to act on that. Hence I am posting I suppose.

I often think about other men I have met and how my life might be different with them. Its very sad all in.

You all have my deepest sympathies as it's not easy.

LoveFoolMe · 22/09/2023 18:37

Can't edit on phone but 'part' not 'po art'!

LoveFoolMe · 22/09/2023 18:38

😟💐

MrsMaynardKeenan · 22/09/2023 19:21

Just writing that has made me realise that it is time to go.

I find him boring as well - the special interests are mundane and involve spending time in grotty old man pubs for hours. I no longer want to even go with him. I used to just enjoy his company, but he is so horrible alot of the time I dont want to even be around him. Which is very sad, given how much I liked him in the past.

When we first met, we had alot in common. But as time went on, I found some of the behaviours to be embarrassing - for example, we went out with my work colleagues and he picked a fight with my boss. Someone came outside to get me to stop the meltdown/squaring up/fight, but it was over by the time i got there. DP screamed in my face for hours, blaming me for it all, blamed me for his behaviour- when I wasnt even in the room. It did alot of damage and I just sat there in incredulous silence. I just took it, which looking back goes to show just how worn down with him I was. It was horrible, and just one example in a long list tbh.

We worked together at the time, and my boss was senior, and wanted DP sacked. I managed to keep him his job - but it did alot of damage to our relationship. He never even knew how much I fought for him over that, and I was still blamed and treated badly. I couldnt even raise it with him due to the hyper sensitivity and the reactions that ensue. He sulks over minor issues for a long time and stonewalls/silent treatment. Its any tiny thing that sets it off and it requires me to apologise to end it and basically assume all responsibility for whatever he has done wrong. I lost alot of respect for him over that. He has never apologised despite subsequently finding this out. Its hard to deal with. And hurtful.

That was cathartic! I think this has shown me it is time to go. Sad but necessary really.

SpecialMangeTout · 22/09/2023 19:38

@MrsMaynardKeenan 😢😢
Its hard.
It’s hard to stay. It’s hard to leave. But the description you gave of your DP is one of an abusive man.
And maybe yes, the root cause of it all might be autism. But there will never a reason good enough to stay in an abusive relationship.

fwiw, DH can be very hard work but I’ve never seen him doing things such as seeking vengeance because I have somehow ‘outperformed’ him or I have been proven right. That’s absolutely not ok.

MrsMaynardKeenan · 22/09/2023 19:47

Thank you

I feel like i need to share - so apologies everyone. But this is my kind of swan song.

Abusive? Oh absolutely. Its hard to distinguish - as i said.

My son became epileptic and he was not there for me - again, over a minor issue. Very minor. He knew my son was ill and yet was not there - and I found he had been emailing other women - whilst sitting next to me on my sofa!

Its hard to tell whether its me, or him, or both. But he seems to feel justified in his behaviours towards me.

I appreciate your responses.

SpecialMangeTout · 22/09/2023 20:00

So you can add cheating to the list too? 🤬🤬

MrsMaynardKeenan · 22/09/2023 20:15

I think cheating is perhaps a difficult term to use, at that time we were a bit Ross/Rachel in friends and on a break so to speak - but still hurtful. Its all validation seeking. Its all coming from a dark place within him. Which I see and understand. But yes, in short, cheating and triangulation is an issue. He has trouble with seeking validation externally, including from other women. Its been an ongoing problem throughout our time together.

The issue is for me, is I understand why - he lacks self worth and feels inadequate. Hence alot of the performance issues - and me out-earning him etc. He is a very unhappy person in truth. Deeply unhappy with himself really. I love him alot despite these factors. But it is hard to deal with, even for me.

Ive done alot of work on myself over the past few years - I cannot hand on heart say I have not caused my own share of drama. Its complicated. What isnt.

I see the good side of him - it does exist, and no I am not blind. I am not blinded by love - its more a case of me seeing him as he is, and understanding him. I can be difficult too.

But he is very hard work and it has reached the stage that the benefits no longer outweigh the deficits.

Boxoftricksanstreats · 22/09/2023 21:35

Any one else notice similarities between narcissistic behaviours and thier partner ?

Boxoftricksanstreats · 22/09/2023 21:36

Bit pissed and imagining what a connected relationship would look like ?
talking about the past
talking about the future
looking at each other
having shared experiences
not having a passenger
a shared life 😭

Hairymaclaryfromdonaldsonsdairy · 22/09/2023 21:38

@MrsMaynardKeenan my DP is exactly as you describe with regards to seeking validation from other women. It took me until about 4 years in to really see what was going on and what he was doing.

My dp is a good man and like you, I do love him very much. But the behavior has become increasingly difficult as time has gone on.

He finds it very difficult to behave appropriately on social media, for example becoming obsessed with other women (women he knows offline, in person) but just refuses to stop using it. He has messaged other women over extended periods, including ex gf's in ways I consider wholly inappropriate. Which I initially discovered by accident then more came to light.I ended up setting out very clear rules which I just have to hope he is following.

However with regards to using social media, it seems that no matter how often, or how carefully I explain the effect his behavior has on me, he may stop for a few weeks but then it begins again. I haven't seen any clear evidence of messaging/obssessing over other women for a few years now, but he still engages in what I consider to be problematic behaviour. It all seems to centre around a need for validation, stemming from a lack of confidence.

Fwiw we are now 10 years in and despite the odd period of improvement, our relationship overall is deteriorating rapidly and it's fair to say we are both very unhappy. He absolutely refuses to discuss anything meaningful and perceives any attempt to discuss or improve our relationship as an attack/criticism and he will shutdown or melt down. I am utterly exhausted and in honesty, if I'd had a crystal ball 5 years ago, I would probably have left xx

Hairymaclaryfromdonaldsonsdairy · 22/09/2023 21:41

Me too, also bit pissed @Boxoftricksanstreats Talking about the little things, sharing a knowing glance. Feeling like you matter and that someone is thinking of you always and has your back.

I cried in the shower for 45 minutes this evening because I realised there is not a single soul in the world who I can lean on xxx

Boxoftricksanstreats · 22/09/2023 21:45

Oh my gosh I had the same conversation today. That is what makes leaving even harder. Because, barely reliable…. But slightly and that’s better than nothing …
I m sorry for your situation x

Boxoftricksanstreats · 22/09/2023 21:49

Although I look at a very long history of every time I’ve really needed them and …,nothing .
but they do some handy tasks, and very very occasional effort…. Which lures you in for a little longer. Wondering if there is my new life out there one day 🫣😭 makes me so sad …. I married for life…. But I can’t live my life alone …. I the most kind caring person and I feel so rejected and misunderstood , always

Forgoodnesssakemeagain · 23/09/2023 10:58

Gosh these stories sound awful and I agree that probably more than asd. My dh is a good man who doesn’t do these things but we do have troubles as outlined that we need to navigate which I am certain is due to struggles he has but in essence is a good person. I do think you need to separate the two behaviours maybe .
incidentally my dh said to me last night that he is sorry but he doesn’t think he can give me what I need. We actually had a good chat about my need for emotional support and his struggle to give it.

MrsMaynardKeenan · 23/09/2023 20:21

@Hairymaclaryfromdonaldsonsdairy

@Boxoftricksanstreats

what is stopping you both from leaving if you dont mind me asking?

And anyone else who seems to be thinking of heading out the door...

Boxoftricksanstreats · 23/09/2023 21:43

I am literally hanging on by a thread after more than two decades.
I believe that we may not still be together in 6 months . Because I have finally run out of ability to forgive and am anticipating the next inevitable horrible response to a need of mine

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Joy69 · 26/10/2023 07:33

This might seem like a stupid question but does anyone notice that their partners autistic traits have got worse as they have got older ( as in 60's). My partner seems more sensitive to noise than before, is less willing to attempt to socialise, & is more obsessive with his routines. He has had a life change ( for the better) so maybe he's relaxing & not masking as much ??? I am concerned that he will happily go completely in to himself, which I'm not sure is healthy either? We don't live together, which works for us, but have been together a few years now.

Twazique · 26/10/2023 10:24

Yes! I think he has become more himself.

ontetwo3 · 26/10/2023 13:49

@Joy69 This is something that I am interested in. My partner has autism and serious mental illness, but for most of our 25 year marriage, he looked and behaved significantly younger than me. In many ways, he was like a teenager in terms of his behaviour.

Then, about two years ago, he began to act much older. He started to shuffle, he started to refer to himself as being 'elderly' and he became very intolerant of change or small groups (he has always found crowds difficult to cope with).

I will not go into too many details, but his mental health/cognition began to decline, and he developed cataracts. His 'autistic' traits also became much more prominent (difficulties with change, not wanting to talk).

A strange incident which may have been something to do with his heart, sent him to A and E and scans revealed serious arteriosclerosis. He remained in hospital for a couple of weeks for tests.

Upon discharge, he barely left the house, and his shuffling became much worse. Early this year, he took an overdose of medication and spent seven months in psychiatric hospital.

Now, he is in a care home, and I still do not know what is really 'wrong' with him, but he still hardly leaves his room, has to be prompted to dress and shower and has lost a significant amount of weight.

I realise there is more at play here than autism, but throughout my husband's decline, the autistic traits have become more and more prominent. I think there may be three things to consider: 1 as we get older, we may have less need to 'mask' or perform, and therefore we can be our 'true' selves, (2), as we get older, sensory issues, the need for routine and other traits which neurotypicals may share with neurodiverse people, become more prominent, or (3) my husband may have an underlying condition (perhaps early onset dementia), in which features of one's personality may become more prominent.

I feel, in my husband's case (he is 64) the third possibility is probably the most likely, and I have read somewhere that people with MH difficulties may be slightly more likely to experience early onset dementia than people who do not experience MH difficulties, and people with autism are statistically 2.6 times more likely to experience early-onset dementia.

This does not in any way imply that having more significantly observable autistic traits as an individual ages is linked to dementia, but in my husband's case, the isolation, need for routine, intolerance of certain sensory stimuli have been exaggerated by whatever other condition he has.