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Loathing the "other woman"

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 22/01/2023 20:02

I'm always surprised when I hear about women who have been cheated on detesting the other woman but not having the same vitriol for the cheating husband. I've heard it from women who took the husband back and one whose husband married the woman (which has to be fair lasted longer and been happier than the original marriage).

What is this about?

OP posts:
Deerlander · 23/01/2023 23:36

@FortheBeautyoftheEarth

Yes, and for many women talking to a mm who was hitting on you would be a complete turn off.
I suppose some women and men are not too bothered about exclusivity.
Everybody's different I guess.

nc1013 · 23/01/2023 23:56

Women who took the husband back = I don't understand why they hate the OW but can forgive their H. Agree with you their

Women who hate the OW even though their exH went on to marry them = why wouldn't you hate them. Absolute slags with no morals (assuming they knew the guy was married. I was in this position (well close, they're not married but living together). Do I hate her as much as exH? No. Do I blame exH? Of course. Can I still hate OW? Absolutely. To a lesser extent than my exH but that doesn't mean I don't hate her.

Perhaps slightly different in my situation as I knew the OW relatively well. She slept with my exH during my pregnancy right thorough until Dd was one. Bought baby presents bought me flowers and nice toiletries post-birth (at which point she'd been shagging my then H for 6 months).

Still hate her til this day. Hate him even more

Deerlander · 24/01/2023 00:11

I wonder how many ow end up hating the wife.

I bet there's a fair few.

BubziOwl · 24/01/2023 00:13

Icecreamandapplepie · 22/01/2023 20:53

It's pretty infuriating that women have to come on here and feel they have to justify any feelings of anger they have towards the other woman. It is totally understandable.

Stupid question.

I agree

It's also obvious, morals aside, that it can also come from the fact that this woman has in effect been chosen over you. A lot of people go into self-reflection and think "is it because she's prettier/funnier/more intelligent/whatever than me? What does she have that I don't?" It's pretty clear that this will lead to resentment and anger.

WilburTheIron · 24/01/2023 00:16

Because sometimes feelings, especially when we’ve been through something traumatic, don’t do what we want them to do. It seems really obvious, to be honest. Odd question.

Threecrookedhearts · 24/01/2023 00:32

Needanewnameagain · 22/01/2023 20:13

I detest both of them equally for what they did to me and the children

Yes me too. Just hate the pair of them.

Winniepoo · 24/01/2023 00:46

It's misplaced jealousy.

Ladybugzrock · 24/01/2023 06:36

It’s simply unresolved trauma. Not rocket science.

Reconciliation is a hard and arduous process. It takes a huge amount of energy to try to rebuild a marriage after the trauma of infidelity. The rage at both people is intense. If reconciling you have to work through that rage, hurt, pain, hatred to reach some sort of healing with your cheating partner.

All that is exhausting, you’re often spent. Working on healing around the AP is not as useful to you, so you park it. Either to deal with later or you leave it because you owe them nothing.

I hated the AP, she’s now irrelevant to me, but I took the time to process her involvement and the individual pain she CHOSE to cause me a long time after the break down of their affair because newsflash… they often dig knives in a far as they can.

I certainly don’t sit in judgement of any betrayed partner who doesn’t have the energy for yet another round of healing to find ‘peace’ with the AP.

Two people caused me pain. One I love deeply. One I did not even know of. It’s common sense for me to process the first one first and that alone is hard work.

Not jealousy, not vitriol, not bitterness, not misogyny, not deeply rooted beliefs about female sexuality or any other bs put on here.

Just unresolved trauma.

Ladybugzrock · 24/01/2023 06:41

@MadeForFun @TheOtherWomanQ

While this thread is odd and shows a complete lack of awareness around infidelity and trauma, your posts are eye opening as to the mindset of OW.

Why do you both feel that assisting a man in stealing his wife’s right to informed sexual consent is ok?

He is putting her at risk, the mother of his children, at risk sexually, physically, mentally and emotionally, how does that sit well with you both?

TheFormidableMrsC · 24/01/2023 07:05

Deerlander · 24/01/2023 00:11

I wonder how many ow end up hating the wife.

I bet there's a fair few.

That was certainly the case for me. She was vile and abusive and took sadistic pleasure in hurting me and my son.

TheOtherWomanQ · 24/01/2023 07:22

@Ladybugzrock it doesn't either sit well or not sit well with me. It's none of my concern.
There's been a lot of talk of girl code on this thread. But there have been several instances in my life of females stabbing me in the back. Women who I thought were reliable and trustworthy work colleagues. Friends as well. Where was their girl code? Once upon a time I would have been the first person on this thread to decry the other woman in a situation like this. Said she was a scumbag, hateful, disgusting etc etc. But I think after being battered by life in various different ways I've become hard and I have become the person that I once would have vilified. I don't want him to leave his wife. I'm not at home twiddling my thumbs desperately waiting to hear from him or see him. I am very successful professionally and have lots of friends and an active social life. He is my secret and I am his. It fills a gap for both him and I.

Ladybugzrock · 24/01/2023 07:26

@TheOtherWomanQ

What a pity party. I said nothing about ‘girl code’. I asked you how you could assist a man in taking his wife’s right to informed sexual consent. Do you not think a betrayed has a right to that? Regardless of whether they are a woman or man.

TheOtherWomanQ · 24/01/2023 07:30

@Ladybugzrock no not a pity party. More of an attempt at some kind of explanation as to how I got here. You may not have mentioned girl code but others have so I was attempting to address it in some way. Your view of me or the other issue raised doesn't concern me.

Ladybugzrock · 24/01/2023 07:34

I think it’s sad that you’re passing your pain and anger on to a woman who does not deserve it.

I’d have the same view of you were a male AP.

Informed sexual consent is a human right, it’s a shame you can’t see that.

bloodyplanes · 24/01/2023 08:30

@TheFormidableMrsC yes the OW in my relationship did the same! Seemed to have a pathological hatred for me, even though she was the one in the wrong! I think it just shows a lack of intelligence, she saw me as the problem rather than my ex who caused it all!

monsteramunch · 24/01/2023 08:32

@TheOtherWomanQ

Do you use protection when you have sex with him?

Stunningscreamer · 24/01/2023 08:53

Moser85 · 23/01/2023 00:10

@AmazonianAvatar
Most OW probably don't think about stuff like that because the cheater is telling them the marriage is a sham and they live separate lives etc.

The husband is the one actually doing all that stuff hopping between beds, happy to live the lie and have sex with their wives even though they're sleeping with someone else. The excuse for men is that they compartmentalise which I think is bullshit, how can they compartmentalise something so big when they're actually living it. The OW isn't seeing the other side so it would actually be possible to believe what they want to believe.

Exactly.

I can see hating the OW more if she was a friend, who was lying to you as much as the DP. That would be a real betrayal. But if it's a stranger who's probably got low self esteem herself and who's been fed a pack of lies, no. It's definitely the one who made the vows that's more responsible. And those that try and convince themselves otherwise are just kidding themselves because they had to, to either cope with their partner's betrayal or to allow themselves to get back with the cheating wanker.

Highsmithfan · 24/01/2023 09:14

Perhaps slightly different in my situation as I knew the OW relatively well. She slept with my exH during my pregnancy right thorough until Dd was one. Bought baby presents bought me flowers and nice toiletries post-birth (at which point she'd been shagging my then H for 6 months). @nc1013

yes, this is what is truly unforgivable and hateworthy. The OW in my case once sent me a photo of my husband at work entitled ‘home soon after a long day’. Who on earth would think that was excusable behaviour (because she was a woman and had not made any marriage vows to me!)?

Stunningscreamer · 24/01/2023 10:23

Highsmithfan · 24/01/2023 09:14

Perhaps slightly different in my situation as I knew the OW relatively well. She slept with my exH during my pregnancy right thorough until Dd was one. Bought baby presents bought me flowers and nice toiletries post-birth (at which point she'd been shagging my then H for 6 months). @nc1013

yes, this is what is truly unforgivable and hateworthy. The OW in my case once sent me a photo of my husband at work entitled ‘home soon after a long day’. Who on earth would think that was excusable behaviour (because she was a woman and had not made any marriage vows to me!)?

That's awful. Really nasty.

However, it was your husband who had made vows to you, was presumably still sleeping with you, was making plans with you for your future family life, who came home to you after shagging his GF, that's betrayed you far more.

I don't think it's so much that the OW gets stick, it's more that so often she gets more stick than the unfaithful husband who's lied and lied to their wives.

nc1013 · 24/01/2023 10:50

@Stunningscreamer I'm under no dis-illusion that it was my exH who was far more in the wrong. And don't get me wrong I have far far more hate and contempt for him than I do for the OW.

However, that doesn't mean I can't have a smaller amount of hate towards the OW. Especially as she knew me, knew I was pregnant/had just given birth, made an effort to be social with me, bought gifts etc etc

Reading OPs follow up posts she is looking for views on why women can forgive their Hs yet continue to hate the OW. That I don't understand.

However, the wording of her original post asked how women can:

  1. remain with their H, forgive him and continue to hate OW; AND
  2. leave their H, H marries OW and the first wife still hates the OW.

I was replying to point 2

nc1013 · 24/01/2023 10:51

Highsmithfan · 24/01/2023 09:14

Perhaps slightly different in my situation as I knew the OW relatively well. She slept with my exH during my pregnancy right thorough until Dd was one. Bought baby presents bought me flowers and nice toiletries post-birth (at which point she'd been shagging my then H for 6 months). @nc1013

yes, this is what is truly unforgivable and hateworthy. The OW in my case once sent me a photo of my husband at work entitled ‘home soon after a long day’. Who on earth would think that was excusable behaviour (because she was a woman and had not made any marriage vows to me!)?

Absolute scum. Sorry to hear this

nc1013 · 24/01/2023 10:55

I also probably still struggle with the anger as the OW is now playing at being stepmum to my Ds.

Deliberately use the word "playing" as it's an absolute joke. She tries to turn everything into a competition with me and convince DS she is the cooler more fun one. I purposefully don't engage as it's obvious how insecure she now is with my ExH and it's almost comical how blatant it is. I just feel sorry for DS being put through this and hearing his "SM" bad mouthing his mum (I never retaliate)

MadeForFun · 24/01/2023 11:13

Ladybugzrock · 24/01/2023 06:41

@MadeForFun @TheOtherWomanQ

While this thread is odd and shows a complete lack of awareness around infidelity and trauma, your posts are eye opening as to the mindset of OW.

Why do you both feel that assisting a man in stealing his wife’s right to informed sexual consent is ok?

He is putting her at risk, the mother of his children, at risk sexually, physically, mentally and emotionally, how does that sit well with you both?

I must say, I agree with @TheOtherWomanQ It doesn't sit well or not well with me, either. He's the one making a choice to do that. He doesn't have to sleep with me, but he's choosing to. He doesn't have to hide it from his wife, but he's choosing to. I have regular sexual health checks so I'm keeping myself right. It's up to him to do the same.

With regards to the mental and emotional side - like I said, I'm not expecting him to leave his wife for me.

At the end of the day, he is the one who has a responsibility towards her. I don't. The sexual side of our relationship is purely that - just sex.

PopGoesTheProsecco · 24/01/2023 11:19

Personally, I don't hate my ExH's OW. I actually like her and almost feel that she did me a favour in taking the selfish manchild off of my hands. She was his second AP in under a year, so he was hardly a saint.

She signed the office congratulations card when DD3 was born. So she knew he was married with children.

He left when DD3 was 14 weeks old. I had six months of weekly counselling which opened my eyes to what a controlling, gaslighting abusive arse he really was.

The next year, I met my now fiance, and I've never been happier. We've spent day trips and Christmases with the ExH and the OW and the children, and she was amazingly supportive during the pandemic with home schooling the kids.

Thewookiemustgo · 24/01/2023 12:08

I think most if not all OW are fed a pack of lies at some point or other. If the pack of lies involves being told the man isn’t married, or is separated, or divorced, and the OW doesn’t know he isn’t single, then she’s a victim too.
But I honestly don’t care what the other kind of pack of lies is, ‘we don’t have sex’ ‘we live like brother and sister’ ‘the marriage is dead’ ‘I’m only there for the children’ etc etc, its totally irrelevant. There’s a person totally in the dark with their rights and choices being deliberately taken from them. Easier to take it at face value and not delve too deeply in order to justify poor behaviour, some even go as far as to make out to themselves that they’re actually doing a good deed, really a saviour and making a poor man trapped in a terrible relationship happy.
I think OW have a vested interest in not looking too closely at what the married man says to them. Over the years I’ve been hit on by married men and told all sorts of twaddle, and twaddle with recurring themes, all designed to make me think they were poor unhappy souls trapped in dead relationships with awful wives. Script wasn’t in it.
How on Earth can anybody be absolutely sure about the state of anybody’s relationship? Absolutely sure that someone lying to their wife isn’t lying to them? Simpler to just believe it if you want justification for doing something you know isn’t right. Absolutely sure that a married couple don’t sleep in the same bed every night? That they never, ever have sex? Impossible to know from the outside. Easier to decide he’s really a lovely honest man trapped and desperately looking for love.
Pack of lies or not, believable or not, if the OW knows the man is in a committed relationship, if she knows she’s a secret, if she knows why she’s a secret and helps the man keep that secret, she’s complicit as far as I’m concerned and knowingly contributing to causing the worst pain anyone can suffer outside of the death of a child to someone who has done absolutely nothing to them, not that that would justify it either.
I genuinely can’t get my head round anyone, of any gender, thinking that it’s ok to help someone do this to another human being, or pass the buck for their awful behaviour onto the married person with a shrug and “he’s/ she’s the one who made the vows.” etc. The one who made the vows is the one breaking them, absolutely, but the third person in the triangle is not blameless in causing immense pain to the betrayed spouse and their children.
It’s hard enough to get your head round the fact that the man you love has done this to you, but you love them, have an important relationship with them, a life, children and a huge history and a reason to step back and try to understand and a base of previous behaviour to make judgments from. Somehow a total stranger blundering about in your marriage and doing their utmost to destroy it without knowing or caring for a second who or what they are helping to tear down, is harder to fathom. I know that sounds odd but it just is. It’s like a random murder, somehow, where everyone is left scratching their heads as to why anyone would inflict such a terrible thing on a stranger who never did them a day‘s harm.

It’s easier as the victim of this selfish behaviour to presume they are just entitled nasty people, where their own desires and happiness trumps everyone else’s. They find it so easy to shrug and say ‘Well, your marriage isn’t my problem and it’s not my fault he’s cheating.’ No, it isn’t, but it doesn’t mean that sleeping with someone who is in a committed relationship isn’t a really, really shitty thing for someone of any sex to do.
I swear if people knew what this pain truly felt like, saw close up the damage it does, you’d never, ever help do it to anyone else.

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