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Loathing the "other woman"

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 22/01/2023 20:02

I'm always surprised when I hear about women who have been cheated on detesting the other woman but not having the same vitriol for the cheating husband. I've heard it from women who took the husband back and one whose husband married the woman (which has to be fair lasted longer and been happier than the original marriage).

What is this about?

OP posts:
Notformethankyoukindly · 23/01/2023 00:40

TheOtherWomanQ · 22/01/2023 20:40

I am the other woman. I've been seeing a married man on and off for 5 years. He says he and his wife are a great team and are generally happy but she never wants sex. So he has sex with me and it's very enjoyable. There isn't a single soul in my life that knows about it and it's going to stay that way. I wouldn't be surprised if she knew about it but their life seems to tick along very nicely.

I quite like the OW. She took the idiot off my hands and tries to look after him. The fact is I don’t want sex with him, so he was bound to find it with someone else. I’ve now done the same. We’re all pretty happy really. I’m sure my lover’s wife knows, she’s not stupid

Lieslies · 23/01/2023 00:44

It's happened to me 3 times, all of my serious relationships. (I obviously have shit taste in men and wouldn't trust myself to chose another one).
Number 1, we split up but I deliberately poured all my feelings towards OW, as we had a child and I was determined to co-parent amicably, for my child's sake. Which worked OK, I think. It wasn't easy to swallow down what I thought of my husband, but I put my child first.

Numbers 2 and 3, yes my partners were more to blame, but the OW happily played their parts in fucking me over, and I despise the whole bunch of them, men and women. Literally wouldn't cross the road to piss on them if they were on fire.

You reap what you sow. If you don't want to be hated, don't do this to me.

sendbobs · 23/01/2023 01:00

FUEWC · 23/01/2023 00:14

In some cases, because it suits them. It suits them to have someone to blame for ruining their marriage, rather than do any self reflection.

I don’t think they cheated party is the one who needs to self reflect. If the ow doesn't want to be loathed then try not being a loathsome person.

PAFMO · 23/01/2023 05:38

sendbobs · 23/01/2023 01:00

I don’t think they cheated party is the one who needs to self reflect. If the ow doesn't want to be loathed then try not being a loathsome person.

"I don’t think they cheated party is the one who needs to self reflect. If the man who decided to fuck someone who wasn't his partner and the ow knowing that the man had a partner don't want to be loathed then try not being a loathsome person."

Helped you with the missing info there.

Rickandmortified100 · 23/01/2023 05:55

You seriously can’t see why a woman would hate the other woman? Really?!

barmycatmum · 23/01/2023 06:01

In my case, I was the OW who believed a manipulating, lying predator. And I believe he fed her lies too, and created himself the victim in a masterful way to have us both thinking the poor man was victimized by the other woman in the scenario.

he was absolutely sick, and I had no idea. I was his congregant and trusted him. he preyed on me as methodically and consistently as any wild animal stalking a deer.

He had me believing he was a prisoner in his own home.

they finally did separate, although I had nothing to do with him by that point. That poor woman … looking back, we were both thoroughly manipulated, and I cannot image how she’d face what he was. It probably was far better to blame me.

but I had a talk with her once, and she said he did this before. She asked me to ignore him, to “scorn him” and unfortunately for her, those words fed into his lies that she was abusive.

but to answer your question: sometimes I think it is psychologically kinder , more gentle to someone’s heart, than facing what a complete monster the person is who made vows to them and broke them.

it would also be easier to believe that the OW had pursued and wore him down, rather than that he had, over the course of a long time, pursued someone in spite of his vows.

disgusting.

yes, as a pp said, my self esteem was broken at the time. I was SO vulnerable and unwell. I wanted safety, not some ego boost - I was scared and alone. My trusted spiritual leader represented safety to me. Utterly disgusting!

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 23/01/2023 06:34

Rickandmortified100 · 23/01/2023 05:55

You seriously can’t see why a woman would hate the other woman? Really?!

That's not what I asked.

OP posts:
sendbobs · 23/01/2023 08:07

@PAFMO I didn't specify that men are NOT loathed. So too are the women involved. That's what the thread is aboutSmile

whereisthis · 23/01/2023 08:11

Dery · 22/01/2023 20:32

“It’s obviously a coping mechanism. Far easier to direct your resentment & hate at the person you don’t care about who owes you nothing & made no vows to you, than the person you still love who did make vows to you and then betrayed you.”

This. It’s no mystery really.

It’s this in part but it’s not the whole story. It’s also because of a deep underlying belief that woman are responsible for policing men’s sexual behaviour.

Icecreamandapplepie · 23/01/2023 08:30

It's not. It's taking responsibility for their own sexual behaviour!

The two are not mutually exclusive.

Both parties are repugnant.

End of.

whereisthis · 23/01/2023 08:45

Icecreamandapplepie · 23/01/2023 08:30

It's not. It's taking responsibility for their own sexual behaviour!

The two are not mutually exclusive.

Both parties are repugnant.

End of.

I’ve followed a lot of threads on this and the vitriol aimed at the OW is nothing like that aimed at the H. Some posters are absolutely explicit that ‘men are dogs’ so women are to blame as women are better so must behave better. Or girl code. Which apparently has more responsibility attached than ‘spouse code.’

Throughout history when men are made responsible for men’s behaviour. It’s why historically so much emphasis in so many cultures, emphasis is placed on women dressing modestly. The most obvious example of this being in Muslim cultures.

Deerlander · 23/01/2023 08:49

I think a more interesting question would be

why do ow care that they are not liked ?

I don't think men question this when they have been caught cheating and destroying families, why do women.

Icecreamandapplepie · 23/01/2023 09:11

Surely its not 'girl code', it's just being a good human code?

I too have followed alot of threads on this, and the wronged partner mainly focuses on what their oh have done, and those feelings.

They feel anger towards the other party too. I do not get how that is a bad or unexpected thing.

Question why men do it so often or why they lie, cheat etc, or why people are willing to forgive affairs etc.

Don't question why anger is felt towards the other person who partook in the affair (assuming it was knowingly).

It's a valid bloody feeling.

Tekkentime · 23/01/2023 09:26

sendbobs · 23/01/2023 01:00

I don’t think they cheated party is the one who needs to self reflect. If the ow doesn't want to be loathed then try not being a loathsome person.

Definitely! It's unrealistic to sleep with someone else's husband and then be upset that the wife doesn't like you. 😂

Thewookiemustgo · 23/01/2023 09:29

I don’t think women are responsible for policing men’s sexual behaviour.
But they are responsible for policing their own.

Deerlander · 23/01/2023 09:42

Surely its not 'girl code', it's just being a good human code?

The many women on here who state there is no 'girl code' yet at the same time want acceptance of their behaviour by placing more than an equal amount of fault at the men's door, seems to be the usual case.

Why is this, why do they wish to be forgiven, if they believe they have done no wrong then why do they wish to apportion blame.

Both parties are disliked universally not just by people who have been decieved but also by those who have not been decieved and even people who are not in relationships.
That is a whole lot of people who dislike that behaviour, it's a huge ammount of distaste from society, especially if you are caught and if the fallout is high.

I do think men and women can equally feel shame by their actions once their behaviour is in the open.
We all make choices in life you just have to accept your own choices and live with them and the consequenses of those choices.

There is no dress rehearsall as they say, we all make mistakes it's just that some make bigger mistakes and more selfish mistakes.

Societies a fucker for not giving everyone everything what they want.

Icecreamandapplepie · 23/01/2023 09:50

@Deerlander

You're preaching to the choir, I totally agree.

FortheBeautyoftheEarth · 23/01/2023 09:57

IWineAndDontDine · 22/01/2023 22:18

Totally agree. I've been there in my late teens/early twenties. Thought I was the bees knees and could turn even the loyal mens heads. In reality I had low self esteem, needed the ego boost and to feel wanted, and ultimately ended up feeling cheap and used. I would dislike the other woman as much as him, because I remember how "special" and smug I felt.

Thanks for giving me an insight into how women who are happy to sleep with taken men think. You've confirmed what I've always suspected and heartening it seems you've changed your views since those days. I have always suspected that with the non-taken party, in many cases, the cheating is only driven by the shallow thrill of stealing someone rather than anything genuine.

I had the experience of having a boyfriend at university that was your archetypical socially awkward geek who was a bit of a disaster with the ladies before he met me. I have never been one to go for your typical 'catalogue man' and noticed a couple of girls only started flirting with him, messaging him and being suggestive towards him when he got with me. Almost like, he was suddenly 'worth something' because someone else wanted him.

What a destructive and worthless way to carry on.

Ncgirlseriously · 23/01/2023 10:01

Eh, being cheated on is a complicated experience, especially if you have kids with the person who cheated on you. I went through a whole host of emotions. I definitely always felt angry at both of them but also felt tied to my ex because many people expect you to give someone another chance to preserve the “family”.

After I got over the anger and realised I wasn’t staying with my ex anyway, I did feel a bit of pity for her (she was a deeply insecure person) and then I honestly felt a little bit grateful (not necessarily towards her, but for the situation in general- it was always going to happen and at least I didn’t waste more of my life with him).

Honestly I don’t think of her at all really these days, only three years down the line and I can’t even remember what she looked like.

I can’t speak for anyone who stayed with their cheater, but maybe they’re just outsourcing the anger to her because they feel like they’re expected to forgive and forget. Sounds like a terribly painful situation and I wasn’t able to do it.

theseangeldelights · 23/01/2023 10:37

Years ago my SIL was seeing a married man while she was married. We were all fed the lines about her DH being abusive etc. I didn't really think badly of her. Then her and the OM got together and I felt mildly sorry for his wife but still didn't really think that badly of SIL. Then SIL revealed to me how she had seduced some bloke she had fancied in her own home while still married to her then DH. I started to feel like she wasn't a very nice person. Since then, she has shown herself to be a loathsome individual through doing and saying various things. Her DH killed himself after she divorced him and her two DC are really damaged by it. But she got want she wanted. I think now she basically acted as a predator to get a married man who she fancied.
Some OWs are predators and that is why wives loathe them. Other OWs aren't predators but may go along with an affair because they feel insecure or need to be loved, etc. I would always seek to find out the situation of the OW before continuing to loathe her, but I think loathing the OW is the immediate response upon finding out she has been with your husband!

IWineAndDontDine · 23/01/2023 11:09

FortheBeautyoftheEarth · 23/01/2023 09:57

Thanks for giving me an insight into how women who are happy to sleep with taken men think. You've confirmed what I've always suspected and heartening it seems you've changed your views since those days. I have always suspected that with the non-taken party, in many cases, the cheating is only driven by the shallow thrill of stealing someone rather than anything genuine.

I had the experience of having a boyfriend at university that was your archetypical socially awkward geek who was a bit of a disaster with the ladies before he met me. I have never been one to go for your typical 'catalogue man' and noticed a couple of girls only started flirting with him, messaging him and being suggestive towards him when he got with me. Almost like, he was suddenly 'worth something' because someone else wanted him.

What a destructive and worthless way to carry on.

I'm not sure about the thrill for me, more like I needed the validation that I am "different" and "not like other girls". What the Internet would call a "pick me girl". Although, maybe its the same thing I guess!

Yes totally agree. I had a similar experience at uni (not long after I began to change my ways) and it was somewhat sobering to realise I was no better than any other woman. Destructive is the right word. It also meant that relationships didn't last lost as the excitement of being "different" doesn't last long. Luckily for me I realised this and am now in a super happy, healthy and loving marriage, and I like to think im nothing but a kind hearted person now. But there was a short moment I thought I might be a narcissist back when these behaviours felt normal to me!

I feel awful for everyone who goes through this. I've been there. It hurts like hell and I feel nothing but remorse to the women I hurt in the past. It did give me huge trust issues though, realising even the outwardly nicest guys are willing to cheat. But, back on topic, it also created a dislike for those women. I know what they are (maybe) thinking, I know how smug they are (maybe) feeling. So they can fuck themselves as much as the man in my opinion. Unless of course they didn't know.

Telepathickitty · 23/01/2023 11:16

From someone who stayed, and I can only talk about my relationship, part of it is that DP did a lot of work to address and take accountability for his behaviour afterwards. We both did individual and couples counselling. We slowly rebuilt the trust. We slowly worked through to understand the weak areas in our relationship. It was hard work and took about 2 years. As time went on and that work was done my feelings of anger towards him reduced and simmered down a lot.

The OW, she just seemed to carry on in her life. It was like it was just a bit of an ooops. There was never any closure in that regard. As a result of their affair, my life was going to be impacted- either by loss of my relationship or by having to put a load of work in to save it. Either way it was a significant impact. He was feeling and witnessing that impact with me. He had to rebuild things. Whereas it seemed to me like for her it was just "oh dear" and move on. It didn't feel fair for her not to even see how she played a part in wrecking my life for a good while.

The cheating partner is 100% to blame for sure, but knowingly having an affair with someone is pretty horrid.

Thewookiemustgo · 23/01/2023 13:13

@Telepathickitty agree with this. It felt to me like she had just stepped delicately out of the total devastation she helped to create and swanned off into the sunset. Realistically though, as I got to a stage where I could think rationally about her side of things, I doubt that this was the case. She had made an absolute mess of her life and waking up to what she had done and chosen for herself can’t have been pretty.
Seeing what my husband was doing to make changes and prioritise me and our marriage (having failed utterly to do that) and definitely suffering as a consequence of what he did, in many ways dissipated my anger and hate towards him, he stayed and had to endure the consequences of the mess he chose to make. I don’t mean I ‘punished’ him in any way, I mean his sitting with my pain, and his pain, and knowing he caused all of it showed me he wasn’t prepared to continue to be the coward he’d become.
Divorce isn’t the only ‘legitimate’ consequence to cheating. His affair impacted him quite rightly in many ways, even though he didn’t lose me or the marriage. It forced him to have a long, hard look at himself and come to terms with the less than wonderful parts of his psyche. It was a bloody long way to fall and a hard landing. Staying and witnessing the terrible pain you caused, (because believe me until they see it they never seem to have admitted to themselves how shit it would be or even how shit what they were doing was, the denial aspect of affairs is massive) and then working hard to heal it at personal cost to yourself, is bloody tough. Not undeserved, granted, he chose it, but nobody gets out of shit like this scot-free, even if they did choose and cause it. Contrary to popular belief they don’t all always just heave a sigh of relief and presume they ‘got away with it’, or see reconciliation as a free pass to do it again, or see their wives as ‘weak’. They go through a hell sadly of their own making.
This is not being an apologist for cheats, what he did was shit and he gets no more than one shot at fixing it, but love doesn’t just switch off, despite the the raw hate and anger definitely being present at first. Whether the hatred goes or stays and causes the relationship to end depends on what the unfaithful does next.

whereisthis · 23/01/2023 14:25

Ncgirlseriously · 23/01/2023 10:01

Eh, being cheated on is a complicated experience, especially if you have kids with the person who cheated on you. I went through a whole host of emotions. I definitely always felt angry at both of them but also felt tied to my ex because many people expect you to give someone another chance to preserve the “family”.

After I got over the anger and realised I wasn’t staying with my ex anyway, I did feel a bit of pity for her (she was a deeply insecure person) and then I honestly felt a little bit grateful (not necessarily towards her, but for the situation in general- it was always going to happen and at least I didn’t waste more of my life with him).

Honestly I don’t think of her at all really these days, only three years down the line and I can’t even remember what she looked like.

I can’t speak for anyone who stayed with their cheater, but maybe they’re just outsourcing the anger to her because they feel like they’re expected to forgive and forget. Sounds like a terribly painful situation and I wasn’t able to do it.

Yeah I agree. The posters who have clearly moved on from being cheated on are like you. They don’t have this well of vicious hatred to the OW.

The women who stay with their H’s yet continue this angry vitriol, just say ‘ buried unresolved trauma’. How can they move on when they are lying to themselves about the blame, full blame, full responsibility, their spouses hold? Best expressed by the poster who said her lovely husband has just made a foolish mistake and didn’t deserve to be punished forever whereas the OW was ‘not fit to lick my boots’. How can you move on with all that displaced rage and self deceit?

You have to look at things full on and honestly to process them. Holding onto hate for OW won’t help you. She’s not really anyone. Your spouse knew you, knew the hurt he could cause, and did it anyway.

Withazjump · 23/01/2023 14:33

Isn't it because usually the wife won't have previously known the OW (she will be a stranger to the wife) and so the wife will automatically and understandably hate any stranger coming in to ruin her marriage (even if it was her DH who opened the metaphorical door to let OW in).
The wife will know only the bad bits about the OW, i.e. that this is a woman who has affairs with married men. The wife won't know anything else about the OW (e.g. if OW does good work for charity, loves her own children, has MH problems, etc).
It is much harder to hate your spouse with the same amount of venom because you know all the good bits about your spouse in addition to the bad bits. You see much more of a rounded person in your spouse.