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Loathing the "other woman"

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 22/01/2023 20:02

I'm always surprised when I hear about women who have been cheated on detesting the other woman but not having the same vitriol for the cheating husband. I've heard it from women who took the husband back and one whose husband married the woman (which has to be fair lasted longer and been happier than the original marriage).

What is this about?

OP posts:
MadeForFun · 23/01/2023 14:39

TheOtherWomanQ · 22/01/2023 20:40

I am the other woman. I've been seeing a married man on and off for 5 years. He says he and his wife are a great team and are generally happy but she never wants sex. So he has sex with me and it's very enjoyable. There isn't a single soul in my life that knows about it and it's going to stay that way. I wouldn't be surprised if she knew about it but their life seems to tick along very nicely.

I'm in the same situation as you. Been sleeping with a married man for over 3 years now. The very last thing I would want is for him to leave his wife. It's purely about the sex for me, as it is for him too.

I genuinely don't know what his situation is like with his wife - whether they're still having sex or not. I've never asked and he has never volunteered the information either. Nobody knows, and it will be staying that way.

Withazjump · 23/01/2023 14:43

Eurgh @MadeForFun I would be really concerned about my sexual health if I were you or his wife.

Notadramallama · 23/01/2023 15:04

I think both my exh and all of his other women are shits. Including the one I thought was my friend.

And yes, my ex and I were still having sex several times a week.

Notadramallama · 23/01/2023 15:04

Withazjump · 23/01/2023 14:43

Eurgh @MadeForFun I would be really concerned about my sexual health if I were you or his wife.

Except MadeForFun is making an informed choice and his poor wife is not.

Cackawhookie · 23/01/2023 15:07

Icecreamandapplepie · 22/01/2023 20:51

It's not rocket science is it?

You have very negative feelings for someone who knowingly slept with a married man, and potentially broke up a family. What are you supposed to feel, happy happy joy joy towards them?

You'd be pretty passed if someone stole a few hundred quid off you, surely? This being a whole world worse.

The feelings felt towards a husband are equally negative. But- these feelings have to be managed if you decide to try and make it work due to children/ 20 years of marriage etc.

The real misogyny is in the question you've asked. As if women have done no wrong and deserve to be able to do as they please with other people's families.
The wronged and innocent partner shouldn't get to feel angry about that then? Total and utterly nonsense, of course the wronged spouse should get to feel anger, about both parties. These feelings are fair and a natural reaction.

This, this and this again!! There’s not a finite amount of anger you’re supposed to feel when cheated on. Both cheaters behaved appallingly and both are responsible for the upset they cause afterwards. Interested to know how many people who haven’t been cheated on are commenting and how their opinions may change if they suddenly become on the receiving end. Probably not be so ambivalent then

uhOhOP · 23/01/2023 15:36

MadeForFun · 23/01/2023 14:39

I'm in the same situation as you. Been sleeping with a married man for over 3 years now. The very last thing I would want is for him to leave his wife. It's purely about the sex for me, as it is for him too.

I genuinely don't know what his situation is like with his wife - whether they're still having sex or not. I've never asked and he has never volunteered the information either. Nobody knows, and it will be staying that way.

How nice for you.

MishaBukvic · 23/01/2023 15:46

As a second-wife, it makes me nervous when I first meet people. My DH had been split from his ex for 7 years before he met me, so very far removed from being the OW, but I find myself always saying to people when being introduced that he had been divorced long before I came along, because I don't want to be associated with being the OW as if that is somehow worse than the bloke being a cheat.

Deerlander · 23/01/2023 16:11

I can well understand how someone does not understand if they have never been in that situation.
How can they.

Obviously there are different levels of deception but to be betrayed I suppose has many different facets to it, I must admit I did not really think about the ow, you don't at first when you don't know who they are and then when it becomes apparent you really are just dealing with your h's deception.
In many cases though there are many cat and mouse games before the ending of an affair, so much gaslighting which in effect is the h and the ow purposefully constructing situations, and lies to carry on deceiving the outcast sat at home usually with the children. That hurts like no other pain.

I should imagine if you were to compare to get the feel for it it would be akin to your best friend at school actively cutting you dead and finding a new best friend and then turning other friends away from you to allienate them.
Very basic deceitful behaviour that is a shock to many wives who would have never believed was possible from their own best friend. It's probably during that cat and mouse time the most ammount of damage is done, as Wookie says it depends on the actions as to whether they stop, consider your feelings and then feel remorse, many do not.
That period whereby the ow knows that the wife knows is even worse than before when they were deceiving without knowledge. I know for a fact my dissapointment was in his ability to get swept up in this new found friendship that was based on ego, sex and a sadistic need to get one up on me, it was as though it was addictive to him, not so much the ow but the game.
Very disturbing stuff and something I think which even shocks many ow and betraying husbands after the event, the level of sneaking arround behind someone's back, badly, whereby they both know the wife has suspitions, and that happens daily, hourly by meetings and phones. It's a terible thing to do to someone, women have been driven mad by it.

There's the point where probably wives develop that hatred for the ow, a persistant ow, one who does not back off or feel shame or basically care, at that point the wife has probably dehumanised her because the ow has dehumanised the wife.

So when it's all over, marriage ended or not, children devastated, extended families torn apart and the dust settles is it at this point that ow wish for mercy from society not to be so harsh on them, why do some care ?
My h took years to understand that his behaviour was abhorant, not just in the affair, sleeping with someone, thinking he had found a new soulmate/friend but how the dance played out, the lies the cruelty of one humans behaviour to another.
I though he was better than that, my miscalculation, I can sometimes see the disapointment in himself, the shame, disgust call it what you will and it's also seen by his children.
Whether that shame is there with ow who actively know what they are doing to another human, I don't know, some seem very defiant about their actions, some wish to forget and some genuinely feel sadness in how they have behaved.
I also think there is a fear when they are settled that it never happens to them, they think they know the pain that's involved but they really havn't a clue.

Moser85 · 23/01/2023 17:35

@theseangeldelights

Some OWs are predators and that is why wives loathe them.

Some women get labelled as predators simply because they tried to seduce the man, or expressed an interest in them.

It implies that the poor man can't resist a woman offering him sex or giving his ego a little boost and lets him off the hook a bit (or a lot in some peoples eyes).

A man in a relationship should be able to refuse sex even if it's offered on a plate.

I would consider women who go after barely legal men to be predators because there is a power imbalance, but not if they are grown men and all she has done was express a sexual interest.

piggypoole · 23/01/2023 17:46

I can understand loathing the other woman if she was once a friend or acquaintance but if the other woman was is unknown to you she has probably had her head filled with shit by the hb/ partner . She has no idea what the wife is like . In this case she is to be pitted rather than scorned.

piggypoole · 23/01/2023 17:48

Moser85 · 23/01/2023 17:35

@theseangeldelights

Some OWs are predators and that is why wives loathe them.

Some women get labelled as predators simply because they tried to seduce the man, or expressed an interest in them.

It implies that the poor man can't resist a woman offering him sex or giving his ego a little boost and lets him off the hook a bit (or a lot in some peoples eyes).

A man in a relationship should be able to refuse sex even if it's offered on a plate.

I would consider women who go after barely legal men to be predators because there is a power imbalance, but not if they are grown men and all she has done was express a sexual interest.

Unfortunately when a certain part of a man's anatomy goes up sense goes out of the window . They think they can be clever and get away with it . Until they don't .

Highsmithfan · 23/01/2023 18:05

‘My’ OW was my friend - although it turned out a much closer friend to my husband. They slept together in my house and in my bed. She knew i was going through cancer treatment and she carried on shagging my husband in my home. Throughout the affair she carried on messaging me like a friend. I’m sorry but i cannot like or feel neutral about someone like that. I think she is a loathsome person.
That does not mean I think he was blameless or any less loathsome.
i don’t understand why you would think OP that the betrayed partner should have no bad feelings about a person who affected their life like this (unless the OW had no idea the man was married).

Moser85 · 23/01/2023 18:10

@piggypoole
They always have a choice.
This idea that men can't control themselves when tempted has long been used to blame women for mens behaviour and to absolve men of responsibility.

These days we expect more from boys and men. Boys and men these days are told for example that their partners can withdraw consent at any time, so they could be having sex, close to orgasm, and if their partner says stop, they are expected to stop.

TheFormidableMrsC · 23/01/2023 18:11

Highsmithfan · 23/01/2023 18:05

‘My’ OW was my friend - although it turned out a much closer friend to my husband. They slept together in my house and in my bed. She knew i was going through cancer treatment and she carried on shagging my husband in my home. Throughout the affair she carried on messaging me like a friend. I’m sorry but i cannot like or feel neutral about someone like that. I think she is a loathsome person.
That does not mean I think he was blameless or any less loathsome.
i don’t understand why you would think OP that the betrayed partner should have no bad feelings about a person who affected their life like this (unless the OW had no idea the man was married).

That's really really shit. I'm sorry. What a pair of cunts 😡

WeepyWillow · 23/01/2023 20:16

As a singleton I would bever have touched a married man with a ten foot barge pole. I mean, eurgh, who would want to get with a sleazy married man? So to me it follows that women who do want to get with a married man must be the lowest of the low.

Cheating husbands I have observed are pathetic little men. Sometimes the OWs are just plain thick, but often times grasping and nasty as well.

The years of psychological damage these failed husbands and OWs inflict on the wronged wife and children is why they are universally despised.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 23/01/2023 20:30

Highsmithfan · 23/01/2023 18:05

‘My’ OW was my friend - although it turned out a much closer friend to my husband. They slept together in my house and in my bed. She knew i was going through cancer treatment and she carried on shagging my husband in my home. Throughout the affair she carried on messaging me like a friend. I’m sorry but i cannot like or feel neutral about someone like that. I think she is a loathsome person.
That does not mean I think he was blameless or any less loathsome.
i don’t understand why you would think OP that the betrayed partner should have no bad feelings about a person who affected their life like this (unless the OW had no idea the man was married).

That's horrible and they are both a pair of rats. No, I don't think that the betrayed wife should have no negative feelings towards the other woman, that was not what I was getting at,. Your situation is different, you gave him his marching orders? I was more thinking of those wives who take the husband back, and put all the blame on the other woman thinking they have "won". All they have won is a big fat booby prize.

What triggered my question is that a friend of my mum's was cheated on by her husband in the 80s and early 90s with one night stands and a casual affair but he then went on to have a four year relationship with a friend of their family. It all went wrong, the other woman kicked him out and he went back home, this must be 20+ years ago. I was still at school, and I am 42 now.

The friend says even now that she hates the other woman with a vengeance and would pour petrol through her letterbox and set the house on fire. It's sad to still have these feelings after a quarter of a century.

OP posts:
ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 23/01/2023 20:36

These people are now pensioners, and the cheating started in their 20s.

OP posts:
cleanbreak2022 · 23/01/2023 21:25

@Highsmithfan that has got to be the lowest of the low. I thought my ex and OW were bad. You ex and ow are scum

Highsmithfan · 23/01/2023 21:26

I was more thinking of those wives who take the husband back, and put all the blame on the other woman thinking they have "won". All they have won is a big fat booby prize.

@ImJustMadAboutSaffron

i think those wives who take their husbands back don’t feel really like they have won anything. How can they when their lives have been upturned in the most awful way.
I think they probably try to make the best of it for whatever reasons they took him back, and I don’t think they put ALL the blame on the OW, they just blame her for the part she played in smashing their marriage to bits.

Moser85 · 23/01/2023 21:47

WeepyWillow · 23/01/2023 20:16

As a singleton I would bever have touched a married man with a ten foot barge pole. I mean, eurgh, who would want to get with a sleazy married man? So to me it follows that women who do want to get with a married man must be the lowest of the low.

Cheating husbands I have observed are pathetic little men. Sometimes the OWs are just plain thick, but often times grasping and nasty as well.

The years of psychological damage these failed husbands and OWs inflict on the wronged wife and children is why they are universally despised.

The wives who take these men back are often judged just as harshly, weak, pathetic, must have turned a blind eye, stays for the money and so on.

If he cheats again then people often make out it's the wifes fault for forgiving him in the first place, how could he respect her if she took him back etc.

Both women, the OW and the wife are often judged more harshly than the man.

Interestingly I think it's different if the woman is the cheater.
The woman is just seen as a cruel nasty bitch,
The man who stays is often seen as a bit pathetic and 'not a man' (so like a woman then)
No one really cares about the other man that she cheated with.

Neveragain85 · 23/01/2023 22:15

I do agree women do tend to judge each other harshly generally

But in the case of cheating I think sleeping with someone else's husband or partner is disgusting. To stoop that low & actually enjoy it is a terrible act. I've recently found out my ex did that to me with multiple partners even ones who knew about me. Even a mum whose son played football with his walked straight to my now ex in front of my eyes to have a private chat with him. She knew exactly what she was doing & had the balls to do it in front of my eyes. They deserve each other

In a man's world you would think we women could at least stick together but some women are incapable of doing even that

monsteramunch · 23/01/2023 22:24

@MadeForFun @TheOtherWomanQ

Are you using protection with the men you're sleeping with?

Sexypyjamas · 23/01/2023 22:47

WeepyWillow · 23/01/2023 20:16

As a singleton I would bever have touched a married man with a ten foot barge pole. I mean, eurgh, who would want to get with a sleazy married man? So to me it follows that women who do want to get with a married man must be the lowest of the low.

Cheating husbands I have observed are pathetic little men. Sometimes the OWs are just plain thick, but often times grasping and nasty as well.

The years of psychological damage these failed husbands and OWs inflict on the wronged wife and children is why they are universally despised.

Same here. I was hit on by married men (at work) and did not entertain it. Sleazy scumbags.
My father was a cheat. My life torn apart because of it. It took me many years to get over the upheaval. I was always trying to be brave and never understood why there were OW who wanted to hurt my family (yes when my parent got with OW she was a total cow to me, as if losing my homelife as I knew it wasn't enough to deal with). Anyway, she lost my dad the way she found him.
I believe OW are cowardly and vindictive. I have no positive emotion towards women who willingly shag another woman's DH. I feel the same if a wife cheats on her DH with OM.

Sexypyjamas · 23/01/2023 22:51

Pressed post too soon. I must add I dislike my father even more than OW. The cheating spouses are even worse than the Ow/Om.

FortheBeautyoftheEarth · 23/01/2023 23:01

piggypoole · 23/01/2023 17:46

I can understand loathing the other woman if she was once a friend or acquaintance but if the other woman was is unknown to you she has probably had her head filled with shit by the hb/ partner . She has no idea what the wife is like . In this case she is to be pitted rather than scorned.

Yeah but if you believe any adultery is wrong...then this argument isn't valid. I guess some people just don't think like that 😕For me, even if I didn't know the wife and the man was spinning me a convincing sob story, out of common decency and just trying to be a good human being, I still wouldn't sleep with a taken man. The other woman isn't some alien being, she's a human with feelings...just cause you don't know someone personally, doesn't mean you should take a 'fuck em' attitude.