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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

If you're thinking of/open to having an affair, please read this (coming from someone who did)

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IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 13:38

I've seen a lot of posts lately that remind me of me in the early days before I made the worst decision I ever made. I just wanted to say these things in the hope that it stops someone from crossing the line when they're being charmed and chased and feel like they've met someone who makes them feel so happy and alive.

I didn't just fuck up by having an affair. I fucked up for FIVE WHOLE YEARS because I was so consumed by the affair fog and my inability to separate reality from fantasy. I never got caught so I'm saying this without having to deal with the ramifications of that on top. My relationship had become very stale, we had been together from teens to thirties, morphed into flatmate territory, this person engineered themselves into my life, chased me when I wasn't even interested at first and made themselves indispensable. I didn't go looking for it and didn't even realise what was happening until boundaries had already been crossed.

To any of you feeling similar and getting attention from that colleague at work, that old ex boyfriend, a mutual friend etc - run, do not walk, far in the opposite direction before you engage in a phase of fantasy and it consumes your life. Before, inevitably whether after months or years, it eventually comes undone. And when it does your life will feel 50x worse than it did before when you were a little bored and lapping up the attention.

After the fall out of mine, I had to see a therapist because I went from being perfectly stable to unable to focus on my day job, eat, or function day to day. I felt suicidal and couldn't talk to anyone about it because of the shame of what I had done. I felt addicted to a person, much like a hardcore drug addiction, and had to quit cold Turkey when neither of us wanted to. My heart felt blitzed into smithereens and I felt that I had nothing to live for. All this for someone that in the very beginning, I wasn't even attracted to!

Not to mention the guilt towards other people - living a secret double life and trying to justify or downplay it to yourself, neglecting your relationship even further and fully checking out when if you reframed your mind, you could either work through it or leave and be happy in a genuine relationship. Some of the things I did I never would have thought possible of me before, and looking back now that reality has set in I'm horrified at myself. We had sex in my house, my bed I share with my partner. His house, once while his young child was asleep upstairs. My mums house, his mums house, work events. The things you will do once you're in the thick of this are absolutely disgusting and shameful.

Not only that but we had close calls a few times, but we didn't stop. We were too addicted to each other. We just found new ways to stay in touch, became extra secretive (don't ever doubt someone's ability to continue cheating if they really want to, even if you are monitoring their phone - the level of determination and creativity is next level).

I've realised that I definitely have some trauma I needed to work through and most people who engage in this type of thing suffer from self esteem issues, anxiety or general self doubt which make them susceptible to getting involved without realising what a dumb decision it is. Our affair borderlined on obsession, we barely went an hour without contact, we called each other and kept frequently in touch when on long haul holidays, we messaged continually through the work day, we even 'worked from home' together a few times.

What seems at first like harmless flirting, something you can walk away from, little chats to make you feel good about yourself, that's just dipping your toe in before falling into the lake. It's not worth it. It will all be ripped away overnight and you will have become so dependent on this you won't be able to function.

NOTHING good will come of engaging in an affair. If you want to leave your relationship, leave, take some time to learn what you want, and then you can start looking for something healthy and sustainable. An exit affair won't help you. If you want to stay in your relationship, don't play with fire, you may find yourself suddenly getting the ick with your partner or finding them intolerable because you're so wrapped up in your fantasy.

If you want to work through your issues, you need to start talking. Communication shutting down or feeling difficult was the start of where it all went wrong for me. I seem to be seeing so many posts lately of me years ago and I want to warn people of what's to come if they go down this path. So hopefully this helps someone even if nobody responds to this post.

And yes, I am very well aware of what a total asshole I've been. How I've treated my partner, how me and my affair partner have both together manipulated his partner so we could keep things going between us. You will become the absolute worst version of yourself if you do this, and like a drug addict you will do things you never thought you were capable of to ensure you get to keep the addiction going.

I'm happy to answer anyone's questions if it helps to stop people ending up like me. If you feel in a rut at home, start a new hobby, make some new friends, enrich your life in other ways.. it won't be as intense a high, but is a far better option than human Heroin.

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BCBird · 30/12/2022 13:41

I really hope you can find some inner peace. It sounds like you are going through torture.

IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 13:47

BCBird · 30/12/2022 13:41

I really hope you can find some inner peace. It sounds like you are going through torture.

Thank you that means a lot. This is nothing I don't deserve for getting into this mess. But I wanted to explain my story to show it can happen even if you aren't looking for it, think you have morals, don't even seem that into them etc. Its so toxic.

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Elecktra22 · 30/12/2022 13:57

It sounds like there was some kind of trauma bonding and codependency going on with your affair?

Eleganz · 30/12/2022 14:01

Are you still in your primary relationship? You say you weren't caught so I am presuming you are. If so, how have you rationalised your decision to continue to hide this from your partner? Do you believe this is fair to them?

IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 14:11

Elecktra22 · 30/12/2022 13:57

It sounds like there was some kind of trauma bonding and codependency going on with your affair?

There was definitely some unhealthy behaviour going on. He inserted himself into my life, love bombed me, helped me with everything I needed etc. I do believe he was a nice person deep down but had issues as did I. Looking back on it now, the entire way it came to be feels like he orchestrated it, whether intentional or not. It was that classic older guy, younger female scenario.

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Elecktra22 · 30/12/2022 14:15

I honestly think these men learn these toxic behaviours online. I’ve experienced the same, it’s scary. I hope you’re healing and rebuilding yourself x

IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 14:16

Eleganz · 30/12/2022 14:01

Are you still in your primary relationship? You say you weren't caught so I am presuming you are. If so, how have you rationalised your decision to continue to hide this from your partner? Do you believe this is fair to them?

I am yes. And currently trying to figure out what to do. No I don't think it is fair to keep it from him - i am realising now that things only felt completely intolerable because I was so obsessed with someone else and you can't compare reality and fantasy together.

I justified it to myself because he has done a few silly things in the past too, not cheating but it might be seen as intent (looking on sites he shouldn't). We are communicating well and getting on the best we have in years now my head isn't elsewhere. But it's a lot to hide - says something about the distance between us as he never really picked up on anything unlike my affair partners wife. At the moment I just want to live an honest and authentic life, I go back and forth between telling him, I don't want to hurt him, but I'm so ashamed with what I've done. I'm not a victim as once he had me in his grip I wanted him just as much as he wanted me.

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Eleganz · 30/12/2022 14:23

IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 14:16

I am yes. And currently trying to figure out what to do. No I don't think it is fair to keep it from him - i am realising now that things only felt completely intolerable because I was so obsessed with someone else and you can't compare reality and fantasy together.

I justified it to myself because he has done a few silly things in the past too, not cheating but it might be seen as intent (looking on sites he shouldn't). We are communicating well and getting on the best we have in years now my head isn't elsewhere. But it's a lot to hide - says something about the distance between us as he never really picked up on anything unlike my affair partners wife. At the moment I just want to live an honest and authentic life, I go back and forth between telling him, I don't want to hurt him, but I'm so ashamed with what I've done. I'm not a victim as once he had me in his grip I wanted him just as much as he wanted me.

Well, I wish you well with the decision and hope you chose the right one.

My point in asking these questions is to demonstrate that the aftermath for you and your partner is still very much unfolding which I believe is in line with what you stated you want to achieve in this thread. Concealed affairs can have consequences long after they have ended.

Am I right in thinking that the affair ended because his wife found out? How long ago was this (roughly)? Any risk of the wife letting your partner know about the affair?

IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 14:33

Yes the aftermath phase is still very much ongoing. For something as long as this went on for I think it's a long journey ahead to rebuild and move on. I have some decisions to make for sure.

She was very suspicious of us. He gaslit her time after time. Until it all blew up in September. There was no hard evidence and he's still denying it but it's pretty obvious. He told me after it happened and we spoke on the phone and agreed not to talk for a while. They broke up but I think have since got back together for their children (or who knows the reasons really, if they can lie this well during the affair they can lie about anything they tell you). He was crying and telling me he didn't want to lose me but felt trapped. It all feels very real like some kind of forbidden love in the movies. I was doing better but it felt rough again over the holidays so I'm not out of the woods yet. Numbers are deleted but not blocked, that's the next step.

I don't think she would have a way to contact my partner but if she did I'd have to deal with the consequences of my actions. He's likely still gaslighting her though so she's less likely to contact if she's still not fully sure.

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Byfleet · 30/12/2022 14:42

OP, why is blocking the ‘next step’ ? it literally takes seconds. You could do it in the time it takes to read this post. The fact that you haven’t shows that the affair is still going on. It is still taking up space in your heart and mind.

IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 14:45

Byfleet · 30/12/2022 14:42

OP, why is blocking the ‘next step’ ? it literally takes seconds. You could do it in the time it takes to read this post. The fact that you haven’t shows that the affair is still going on. It is still taking up space in your heart and mind.

It's not going on. I have deleted the number, so to block the number I need to get a message from him in order to block it. If he never contacts me again this won't be a problem. If he does, then I can block.

Basically when I deleted the number I didn't think to block at the same time and now can't get it back to do so. Believe me, if you have read all of the above and everything I've realised - why would I want to keep it going on? I'm still hurting from it and getting over it yes, but absolutely no way in hell am I going back there.

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tackling · 30/12/2022 14:47

I don't think this post will stop anyone from an affair - would it have stopped you? Instead it sounds like you're still addicted and this is your way of talking about the bloke you're into.

Your poor partner deserves to know the truth and have the option of leaving you.

IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 14:50

tackling · 30/12/2022 14:47

I don't think this post will stop anyone from an affair - would it have stopped you? Instead it sounds like you're still addicted and this is your way of talking about the bloke you're into.

Your poor partner deserves to know the truth and have the option of leaving you.

It would have made me think for sure and that's all I can aim to do. I'd like to think if I'd fully realised the consequences by reading something like this I'd have thought twice.

I'm still healing from what I've done, absolutely I know I've been unfair to my partner here, and I just saw it as tit for tat for something he did. I know that's not right and I know none of my behaviours are. There have been a few threads likely along the lines of 'should I entertain a bit on the side' and they're who I want to see this.

I'm not addicted to this man in that I want him back or want to resume anything, but I'm not fully healed from it yet either. I didn't start the thread to talk about him but to show how this can evolve and the impact it has on a person.

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Notimeforaname · 30/12/2022 14:50

I agree with Byfleet it doesn't sound like you've actually finished

Eleganz · 30/12/2022 14:52

IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 14:33

Yes the aftermath phase is still very much ongoing. For something as long as this went on for I think it's a long journey ahead to rebuild and move on. I have some decisions to make for sure.

She was very suspicious of us. He gaslit her time after time. Until it all blew up in September. There was no hard evidence and he's still denying it but it's pretty obvious. He told me after it happened and we spoke on the phone and agreed not to talk for a while. They broke up but I think have since got back together for their children (or who knows the reasons really, if they can lie this well during the affair they can lie about anything they tell you). He was crying and telling me he didn't want to lose me but felt trapped. It all feels very real like some kind of forbidden love in the movies. I was doing better but it felt rough again over the holidays so I'm not out of the woods yet. Numbers are deleted but not blocked, that's the next step.

I don't think she would have a way to contact my partner but if she did I'd have to deal with the consequences of my actions. He's likely still gaslighting her though so she's less likely to contact if she's still not fully sure.

OP, this all sounds very recent and ongoing to me. I get the desire you have to try and discourage people from making the mistakes you have but I think you perhaps need to focus on sorting your own situation out rather than talking about it here as a learning experience for others.

IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 14:52

Notimeforaname · 30/12/2022 14:50

I agree with Byfleet it doesn't sound like you've actually finished

Did you read my response? The only reason he's not blocked is because I dont have his number any more in order to block. It's finished. I don't want to split up a family, and this was all fantasy not reality. But it doesn't make it easy either - and I'm not here for sympathy, to say I was void of all feelings towards him would be a lie, but I want to be void of all feelings and never speak to him again. I won't be initiating any conversation, and if he does then I can block him.

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Windywuss · 30/12/2022 14:53

I don't know how you can heal unless you take responsibility and be honest with your partner. He has the right to make a choice doesn't he, rather than you carry on lying? Otherwise, you're carrying on living a lie?

Rainbowshit · 30/12/2022 14:54

Windywuss · 30/12/2022 14:53

I don't know how you can heal unless you take responsibility and be honest with your partner. He has the right to make a choice doesn't he, rather than you carry on lying? Otherwise, you're carrying on living a lie?

I disagree with this. I'd rather not have known about my DH's infidelity.

IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 14:54

Windywuss · 30/12/2022 14:53

I don't know how you can heal unless you take responsibility and be honest with your partner. He has the right to make a choice doesn't he, rather than you carry on lying? Otherwise, you're carrying on living a lie?

Plenty of people don't tell their partners. Doesn't mean it's necessarily the 'right' way to go - but if you have learned a lesson, realised what a stupid fool you have been and have zero desire to ever get in a similar situation again and know that, why hurt people. I haven't decided what I'm going to do with regards to that yet.

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IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 14:55

That was my logic to be honest - if it's really truly over and won't happen again I'm not sure I'd want to know about it. If there was a chance it would happen again I'd sure as shit want to know.

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Notimeforaname · 30/12/2022 14:58

Ok op. It was just because you also said this
and agreed not to talk for a while
so to me it sounds like you plan to speak again as it was just for a 'while' you'd stop.

CornishGem1975 · 30/12/2022 14:58

Plenty of people don't ever tell their partners, I agree, but that doesn't make it right. It's a continuation of lies and deceit. How can you move forward with your partner, lying to them forever.

I say that as someone who had an affair.

IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 14:58

I'm confused why people think it's ongoing. We have gone from speaking every minute of every day to zero contact for 4 months. And during this time I've realised how he basically manipulated this entire situation to make himself so invaluable to my life. I'm paying out of my own pocket for private therapy, I've thought about ending my life. Why in holy hell would I step backwards into that mess again and why would I want to keep something going?

Like I've said, I've not fully processed it yet and am still healing. But this is finished and I will never see or speak to him again. If he does reach out I'll have the opportunity to block his number for good.

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Quitelikeit · 30/12/2022 15:00

That poor woman.

your poor husband

you think it’s bad now if your husband found out your world would implode

dont tell him as that would only help you

IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 15:01

Notimeforaname · 30/12/2022 14:58

Ok op. It was just because you also said this
and agreed not to talk for a while
so to me it sounds like you plan to speak again as it was just for a 'while' you'd stop.

Completely agree with you. As I explained in my initial post that was exactly the intention. To take a break and wait for it all to calm down and then see how we felt later. And it's not the first time. But since then I've realised all of the above. No fucking way am I going anywhere near him. I was under his spell back then, but I'm seeing clearly now for the first time, and have been for a while. Doesn't mean emotionally it isn't tough at times still though. I've got no reason to not be completely truthful here as that's the whole point of my post. Otherwise I'd be posting asking for advice and support, I don't deserve that, I just want the healing to keep moving on one day at a time.

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