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If you're thinking of/open to having an affair, please read this (coming from someone who did)

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IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 13:38

I've seen a lot of posts lately that remind me of me in the early days before I made the worst decision I ever made. I just wanted to say these things in the hope that it stops someone from crossing the line when they're being charmed and chased and feel like they've met someone who makes them feel so happy and alive.

I didn't just fuck up by having an affair. I fucked up for FIVE WHOLE YEARS because I was so consumed by the affair fog and my inability to separate reality from fantasy. I never got caught so I'm saying this without having to deal with the ramifications of that on top. My relationship had become very stale, we had been together from teens to thirties, morphed into flatmate territory, this person engineered themselves into my life, chased me when I wasn't even interested at first and made themselves indispensable. I didn't go looking for it and didn't even realise what was happening until boundaries had already been crossed.

To any of you feeling similar and getting attention from that colleague at work, that old ex boyfriend, a mutual friend etc - run, do not walk, far in the opposite direction before you engage in a phase of fantasy and it consumes your life. Before, inevitably whether after months or years, it eventually comes undone. And when it does your life will feel 50x worse than it did before when you were a little bored and lapping up the attention.

After the fall out of mine, I had to see a therapist because I went from being perfectly stable to unable to focus on my day job, eat, or function day to day. I felt suicidal and couldn't talk to anyone about it because of the shame of what I had done. I felt addicted to a person, much like a hardcore drug addiction, and had to quit cold Turkey when neither of us wanted to. My heart felt blitzed into smithereens and I felt that I had nothing to live for. All this for someone that in the very beginning, I wasn't even attracted to!

Not to mention the guilt towards other people - living a secret double life and trying to justify or downplay it to yourself, neglecting your relationship even further and fully checking out when if you reframed your mind, you could either work through it or leave and be happy in a genuine relationship. Some of the things I did I never would have thought possible of me before, and looking back now that reality has set in I'm horrified at myself. We had sex in my house, my bed I share with my partner. His house, once while his young child was asleep upstairs. My mums house, his mums house, work events. The things you will do once you're in the thick of this are absolutely disgusting and shameful.

Not only that but we had close calls a few times, but we didn't stop. We were too addicted to each other. We just found new ways to stay in touch, became extra secretive (don't ever doubt someone's ability to continue cheating if they really want to, even if you are monitoring their phone - the level of determination and creativity is next level).

I've realised that I definitely have some trauma I needed to work through and most people who engage in this type of thing suffer from self esteem issues, anxiety or general self doubt which make them susceptible to getting involved without realising what a dumb decision it is. Our affair borderlined on obsession, we barely went an hour without contact, we called each other and kept frequently in touch when on long haul holidays, we messaged continually through the work day, we even 'worked from home' together a few times.

What seems at first like harmless flirting, something you can walk away from, little chats to make you feel good about yourself, that's just dipping your toe in before falling into the lake. It's not worth it. It will all be ripped away overnight and you will have become so dependent on this you won't be able to function.

NOTHING good will come of engaging in an affair. If you want to leave your relationship, leave, take some time to learn what you want, and then you can start looking for something healthy and sustainable. An exit affair won't help you. If you want to stay in your relationship, don't play with fire, you may find yourself suddenly getting the ick with your partner or finding them intolerable because you're so wrapped up in your fantasy.

If you want to work through your issues, you need to start talking. Communication shutting down or feeling difficult was the start of where it all went wrong for me. I seem to be seeing so many posts lately of me years ago and I want to warn people of what's to come if they go down this path. So hopefully this helps someone even if nobody responds to this post.

And yes, I am very well aware of what a total asshole I've been. How I've treated my partner, how me and my affair partner have both together manipulated his partner so we could keep things going between us. You will become the absolute worst version of yourself if you do this, and like a drug addict you will do things you never thought you were capable of to ensure you get to keep the addiction going.

I'm happy to answer anyone's questions if it helps to stop people ending up like me. If you feel in a rut at home, start a new hobby, make some new friends, enrich your life in other ways.. it won't be as intense a high, but is a far better option than human Heroin.

OP posts:
VisaGeezer · 31/12/2022 22:10

if you separate - he’ll struggle to trust other women.

That'll be two way then.

Lol at so many posters' complete obliviousness to op's h's character, so clearly and sadly (not op being sad; sad to read what she was subjected to) related in a few brief lines when she was asked to clarify it.

Blastmydogintospace · 31/12/2022 22:15

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Blastmydogintospace · 31/12/2022 22:28

I think op's husband sounds lovely.

I bet the kids adore him deep down, even though his mother will have been gaslighting them into thinking he's a miserable cunt for nothing.
Truth is, he's been a faithful husband but probably utterly miserable beacuse his wife has been thoroughly contemptuous towards him, no contest really is there ? a highly charged mommy with a zest for life who's been getting shagged senseless by her sectret boyfriend and a miserable dad who probably has severve depression as his wife has checked out.

I wonder who they're blaming for the crap marriage.
Poor dad.

Hope you can keep that optimistic attitude going op, especially if all this shit comes out.
You never know the kids might learn something from this that sometimes what you see is not always the truth and the 'apparent' nice ones are nothing more than lying shits who care about no one but themselves.

Edinburghmusing · 31/12/2022 22:32

@Blastmydogintospace hsve you read the thread? Ops husband was putting himself about all over the place

Blastmydogintospace · 31/12/2022 22:48

Edinburghmusing · 31/12/2022 22:32

@Blastmydogintospace hsve you read the thread? Ops husband was putting himself about all over the place

No he wasn't, it's just justification for her affair.

If she really thought that, everyone would know, the kids, the family, their friends because that's the type of person op is.

She's a cake eater but wants total devotion by her husband.
I'd lay money on it.

She knows she's been shagging around, her husband knows she's been shagging arround, hopefully this unspoken secret will one day be revealed and some truth can be shed on everyone's life.

All of it is grim, but now comes the clean up, the gaslighting, the re writing history of all her husbands faults to others if this gets out, the smear campaign after the fact.

She's pannicking.

Edinburghmusing · 31/12/2022 22:50

@Blastmydogintospace theres no mention of the op having kids.

its pretty clear her husband was also cheating.

i think you’re projecting just a tad

Blastmydogintospace · 31/12/2022 23:09

theres no mention of the op having kids.

Oh come on, it's one of the resons she's shitting herself if this becomes common knowledge, that's why she's asked for them to delete each other's numbers.
This is a forced ending to save her reputation.

its pretty clear her husband was also cheating.

Now who do you believe a woman who has been lying, cheating, deceiving and gaslighting for 5 whole years or a man who side we don't have just the words of a distraught love sick woman who still has no idea of the damage she has done.
She probably wouldn't have even noticed what her h was doing, she completly ignored him.

Edinburghmusing · 31/12/2022 23:13

@Blastmydogintospace im sorry your wife cheated on you. But I imagine you were bloody awful to love with.

Blastmydogintospace · 31/12/2022 23:20

@Edinburghmusing

Cheers 😅

And I'm sure your analytical powers and depth of understanding keeps your partners hightly entertained.

Lets state the bleeding obvious tonight love, yeah ok sounds interesting.

Samedaysameshit · 01/01/2023 01:05

Haven’t read the full thread, basically you dismissed any responsibility for your own actions end of paragraph two. It was all the OM fault ‘engineering’ the whole thing.
You we’re helpless to stop this happening and now you want to play the victim.
tThere is only one victim here, and I’m sure somehow it’s all his fault.

mathanxiety · 01/01/2023 01:38

And the reason I won't tell his partner is because I don't want to cause any hurt to her beyond what I've already done. I'm out of his life now. Hopefully they have a chance to fix their relationship. He may have told me it was beyond fixing but I'm not naive enough to believe I always got the full truth from him. If they can work through this and be happy then I'd not be bitter or jealous, I'd be fucking glad that their lives didn't get ruined. From what he told me she refused any kind of sex for years and years, so if they're able to use this hot mess as a springboard for some kind of open communication about the state of their relationship and both start putting the effort in and make it work between them then this is the best outcome.

He lied to you and he is lying to her and gaslighting her. He told you every lie in the book - no sex for years LOL... and YAWN, and you were flattered that he had chosen you to rescue him from his misery.

You're full of grandiosity here wrt telling the wife; you're pretending to yourself that you care about her because the platitudes you're telling yourself about their future make you feel good. You have conveniently forgotten the five years you spent shagging her husband, and you haven't engaged your brain to consider what that meant in practical, emotional, and psychological terms for her. Meanwhile, her liar of a husband is gaslighting her, and she is likely to make important decisions without the full truth about her marriage available to her while you ride off into the sunset with your secrets, and your husband, and a roof over your head.

You are the only person likely to tell this woman the truth. She already suspects it. If you think she's happy now, or will be happy any time in the future, you are delusional, and your delusions are self serving tripe.

Highsmithfan · 01/01/2023 08:52

i wouldn’t tell your partner OP. Some things people don’t need to know. It would only hurt him

THIS.

i have been in your partner's position and being told about the affair (which he could have easily concealed as it was over) has caused me years of awful pain. Upsetting your partner to salve your conscience is horrible.

BirdyWoof · 02/01/2023 16:25

Highsmithfan · 01/01/2023 08:52

i wouldn’t tell your partner OP. Some things people don’t need to know. It would only hurt him

THIS.

i have been in your partner's position and being told about the affair (which he could have easily concealed as it was over) has caused me years of awful pain. Upsetting your partner to salve your conscience is horrible.

I absolutely get your point regarding telling him about the cheating (and certainly the extent of it) would likely cause the OPs husband harm.

However, OP isn’t even prepared to end the relationship. I feel like it’s very much a case of tell him and allow him to decide whether the relationship continues or ends, or she ends it and spares him the gross details.

Not telling him anything and continuing on is just shameful behaviour. It’s abusive.

Needhelp101 · 02/01/2023 17:11

TortugaRumCakeQueen · 31/12/2022 11:41

From what he told me she refused any kind of sex for years and years

That's the oldest line in the book. You didn't believe that, surely?

There's not much about infidelity that makes me laugh but this did.

Oh and incidentally, people who fuck their lover in their partner's bed genuinely have something missing in their psyche.

Kidsfortea · 02/01/2023 18:26

MMmomDD · 31/12/2022 17:28

OP - I think your extreme emotional attachment to your AP is less about it being an affair and more a function of you and your life story.
And if I were looking at your story - the main ‘DONT’ - for me would be - don’t get together with someone as a teenager and stay in the relationship in your 20/30s when it goes stale.

Your reaction to the attention of your AP is the accumulation of what you had missed as a young person. Excitement, meetings new people, experiencing things, learning about people, relationships and yourself.
You slipped that part and clearly needed it.

Your marriage has no chance. You both need to let each other be free. Or, maybe you need to agree to have a period of an open marriage - where you both can experience what you both are so clearly missing with other people and grow a bit. And then you can reassess.
You don’t mention kids - having or wanting them. Being in your 30s it may be a consideration as well.

Your H doesn’t need to know. Really doesn’t. There is absolutely no reason why you need to hurt him. Your relationship doesn’t have a physical component - but even then - he would he hurt. Radical absolute honesty is only a good idea on paper.
if you stay together - and somehow resurrect your relationship - it’ll always hurt him in a niggling way.
if you separate - he’ll struggle to trust other women.
So - just carry your cross on your own. Don’t push it over onto him.

good luck

I really agree with this. I got together with my ex husband at 15, he was 20. First boyfriend, married him and had 2 dc. Split up before I was 40. I had grown and changed, he was still acting like a single man. Going out on his own. Even made a date with someone at work. We were far too young to know what love really was.
Met someone when I was 41. Been together ever since. I now know what love means. You were both too young. Good luck to you op.

percypal · 02/01/2023 18:29

Have name changed for this but went through something very similar OP. It’s the worst thing I’ve ever been through or done in my life and I look back now and just can’t believe it. It ended up being an abusive relationship but the addiction to him was still there.

CornishGem1975 · 02/01/2023 19:52

Of course men use the "I'm not getting any sex" as a line but actually quite often it can be true. Dead bedrooms are pretty common (you only have to look at threads on here from women who say they no longer want sex with their husbands) are are often a driver in people looking for affairs.

Blastmydogintospace · 02/01/2023 22:38

CornishGem1975 · 02/01/2023 19:52

Of course men use the "I'm not getting any sex" as a line but actually quite often it can be true. Dead bedrooms are pretty common (you only have to look at threads on here from women who say they no longer want sex with their husbands) are are often a driver in people looking for affairs.

Of course it's probably true, especially in this case, which probably delights the op to hear.

Dead bedrooms are caused by abusers.

Many women who refuse sex in marriage have been subjected to abuse in one way or another, emotionally or physically. He sounds like a player, 5 years to be in another relationship without wanting his marriage to end, a cake eater, a man who doesn't want to lose his wife or the control he has over her.
This man likes to get his own way and we can see that as op has finally said No to him, there is no way he will give into her demands, she is irrelavant to him and his needs come first.

I think if anything would help you overcome him it would be to view and understand what you don't see, which is his relationship with his wife and family. There is no doubt he is abusive as he is unbothered by the hurt he is dishing out. You too are abusive, why would either of you stop to analyse the situation, it works well for both of you but now you are feeling less powerful as your manipulation tactics have not got you what you ultimately want and that's him ending his marriage due to his own decisions because he's so bessotted and in love with you.
This guy is more powerful than you, that's the bottom line.

I think you've met your match with a likeminded abuser.

The Utopian conclusion would be for both abused parties to be told the truth and be able to make real decisions for themselves instead of all this drama involving 2 abusers fighting to see who is the least/most abusive and selfish.

Roiesin57 · 07/12/2023 20:02

@IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne how are you one year on op?

Icanhandletheruth · 08/12/2023 03:10

Do you think D doesn't know?

Thisistyresome · 08/12/2023 07:22

Elecktra22 · 30/12/2022 14:15

I honestly think these men learn these toxic behaviours online. I’ve experienced the same, it’s scary. I hope you’re healing and rebuilding yourself x

Yeh, when two people cheat on their partners together it is definitely all the man's fault...

Really some people. If two people cheat on their partners they are both two blame. If you think this behaviour is an internet phenomena I have a bridge to sell you, affairs in all forms are as old as time.

Warrior6 · 26/01/2024 04:57

You've already hurt him unfortunately and I can guarantee he will find out even if you think he won't he will..

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