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If you're thinking of/open to having an affair, please read this (coming from someone who did)

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IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 13:38

I've seen a lot of posts lately that remind me of me in the early days before I made the worst decision I ever made. I just wanted to say these things in the hope that it stops someone from crossing the line when they're being charmed and chased and feel like they've met someone who makes them feel so happy and alive.

I didn't just fuck up by having an affair. I fucked up for FIVE WHOLE YEARS because I was so consumed by the affair fog and my inability to separate reality from fantasy. I never got caught so I'm saying this without having to deal with the ramifications of that on top. My relationship had become very stale, we had been together from teens to thirties, morphed into flatmate territory, this person engineered themselves into my life, chased me when I wasn't even interested at first and made themselves indispensable. I didn't go looking for it and didn't even realise what was happening until boundaries had already been crossed.

To any of you feeling similar and getting attention from that colleague at work, that old ex boyfriend, a mutual friend etc - run, do not walk, far in the opposite direction before you engage in a phase of fantasy and it consumes your life. Before, inevitably whether after months or years, it eventually comes undone. And when it does your life will feel 50x worse than it did before when you were a little bored and lapping up the attention.

After the fall out of mine, I had to see a therapist because I went from being perfectly stable to unable to focus on my day job, eat, or function day to day. I felt suicidal and couldn't talk to anyone about it because of the shame of what I had done. I felt addicted to a person, much like a hardcore drug addiction, and had to quit cold Turkey when neither of us wanted to. My heart felt blitzed into smithereens and I felt that I had nothing to live for. All this for someone that in the very beginning, I wasn't even attracted to!

Not to mention the guilt towards other people - living a secret double life and trying to justify or downplay it to yourself, neglecting your relationship even further and fully checking out when if you reframed your mind, you could either work through it or leave and be happy in a genuine relationship. Some of the things I did I never would have thought possible of me before, and looking back now that reality has set in I'm horrified at myself. We had sex in my house, my bed I share with my partner. His house, once while his young child was asleep upstairs. My mums house, his mums house, work events. The things you will do once you're in the thick of this are absolutely disgusting and shameful.

Not only that but we had close calls a few times, but we didn't stop. We were too addicted to each other. We just found new ways to stay in touch, became extra secretive (don't ever doubt someone's ability to continue cheating if they really want to, even if you are monitoring their phone - the level of determination and creativity is next level).

I've realised that I definitely have some trauma I needed to work through and most people who engage in this type of thing suffer from self esteem issues, anxiety or general self doubt which make them susceptible to getting involved without realising what a dumb decision it is. Our affair borderlined on obsession, we barely went an hour without contact, we called each other and kept frequently in touch when on long haul holidays, we messaged continually through the work day, we even 'worked from home' together a few times.

What seems at first like harmless flirting, something you can walk away from, little chats to make you feel good about yourself, that's just dipping your toe in before falling into the lake. It's not worth it. It will all be ripped away overnight and you will have become so dependent on this you won't be able to function.

NOTHING good will come of engaging in an affair. If you want to leave your relationship, leave, take some time to learn what you want, and then you can start looking for something healthy and sustainable. An exit affair won't help you. If you want to stay in your relationship, don't play with fire, you may find yourself suddenly getting the ick with your partner or finding them intolerable because you're so wrapped up in your fantasy.

If you want to work through your issues, you need to start talking. Communication shutting down or feeling difficult was the start of where it all went wrong for me. I seem to be seeing so many posts lately of me years ago and I want to warn people of what's to come if they go down this path. So hopefully this helps someone even if nobody responds to this post.

And yes, I am very well aware of what a total asshole I've been. How I've treated my partner, how me and my affair partner have both together manipulated his partner so we could keep things going between us. You will become the absolute worst version of yourself if you do this, and like a drug addict you will do things you never thought you were capable of to ensure you get to keep the addiction going.

I'm happy to answer anyone's questions if it helps to stop people ending up like me. If you feel in a rut at home, start a new hobby, make some new friends, enrich your life in other ways.. it won't be as intense a high, but is a far better option than human Heroin.

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IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 16:03

BabyFour2023 - can't reply directly to the quote. I think I said upthread I'd be the same as posters here if this had happened to a friend or relative of mine. I'm not denying that. I know the double standard. I never thought myself capable of this either.

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Alcemeg · 30/12/2022 16:03

I agree, unfortunately affairs are common
Sorry, by "the oldest story in the human universe" I meant the journey from fucking up (based on their own intrinsic flaws) to becoming someone who fucks up a bit less and certainly never makes that particular mistake (whatever it was) again!

mommatoone · 30/12/2022 16:04

Im sorry OP , i do think you post is well intentioned and probably a positive step in the right direction for you in terms of healing.
However, i think it could come across as quite patronising. And as for people commenting that you are brave etc - I dont get it🤷‍♀️

IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 16:04

Alcemeg · 30/12/2022 16:03

I agree, unfortunately affairs are common
Sorry, by "the oldest story in the human universe" I meant the journey from fucking up (based on their own intrinsic flaws) to becoming someone who fucks up a bit less and certainly never makes that particular mistake (whatever it was) again!

Well, that too, I'm hoping that's where I'm headed! certainly won't be doing this again, and I can't exactly post this on my personal Facebook but figured here was as good an anonymous location as any!

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Thedaysthatremain · 30/12/2022 16:05

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mommatoone · 30/12/2022 16:04

Im sorry OP , i do think you post is well intentioned and probably a positive step in the right direction for you in terms of healing.
However, i think it could come across as quite patronising. And as for people commenting that you are brave etc - I dont get it🤷‍♀️

Brave because you're basically putting yourself on a platter to be attacked I guess. Not that me doing this and trying to fix myself is brave.

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IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 16:05

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I'm not, and haven't once.

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BornIn78 · 30/12/2022 16:06

IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 14:45

It's not going on. I have deleted the number, so to block the number I need to get a message from him in order to block it. If he never contacts me again this won't be a problem. If he does, then I can block.

Basically when I deleted the number I didn't think to block at the same time and now can't get it back to do so. Believe me, if you have read all of the above and everything I've realised - why would I want to keep it going on? I'm still hurting from it and getting over it yes, but absolutely no way in hell am I going back there.

This is bullshit.

You must be able to find his number somewhere on your past 5 years of phone bills and block it. Hmm

This thread very much feels like your therapist is having a Christmas break and you need to fan the flames of your obsession by talking about him with someone.

Alcemeg · 30/12/2022 16:06

as for people commenting that you are brave etc - I dont get it
Brave to post on MN about it. Not brave to have the affair, obvs!

WallaceinAnderland · 30/12/2022 16:07

You must really hate your partner to do this to him.

ThisIsNotThePostYourLookingFor · 30/12/2022 16:09

I wouldn’t tell your partner OP. Some things people don’t need to know. It would only hurt him

IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 16:09

Bornin78 - well I saw my therapist yesterday so no! When I initially deleted the number, it was the first week of September and things were just on pause in both our minds. I hadn't realised any of this stuff and back then was hoping it would all blow over. I regularly wiped my phone of everything (that's affair 101) so no I don't have anything lingering. Which is good as there's no way of possibly contacting him.

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IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 16:09

WallaceinAnderland · 30/12/2022 16:07

You must really hate your partner to do this to him.

Read the full thread.

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ThisIsNotThePostYourLookingFor · 30/12/2022 16:11

Also OP I don’t think you’re a bad person no matter what pp say. Nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors and not everyone has a happy marriage or can just walk away easily. Your only human and humans make mistakes and I don’t think for a second anyone on this thread has never done anything they aren’t proud of!

Palmfrond · 30/12/2022 16:12

@IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne “I just saw it as tit for tat for something he did.”

Ive only read the first page, but between blaming your DP for provoking your five year affair by looking at dodgy websites (if I understood the nature of his transgression correctly?), and blaming your affair partner for being some kind of arch manipulator, you sound quite toxic, OP.

IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 16:12

ThisIsNotThePostYourLookingFor · 30/12/2022 16:11

Also OP I don’t think you’re a bad person no matter what pp say. Nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors and not everyone has a happy marriage or can just walk away easily. Your only human and humans make mistakes and I don’t think for a second anyone on this thread has never done anything they aren’t proud of!

Thank you. I wasn't expecting a warm welcome with my post, but humans do fuck up, some more than others. And yes my home situation isn't exactly black and white either. Appreciate your reply.

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lifeisyellow · 30/12/2022 16:13

"He who is without sin cast the first stone."

IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 16:14

Palmfrond · 30/12/2022 16:12

@IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne “I just saw it as tit for tat for something he did.”

Ive only read the first page, but between blaming your DP for provoking your five year affair by looking at dodgy websites (if I understood the nature of his transgression correctly?), and blaming your affair partner for being some kind of arch manipulator, you sound quite toxic, OP.

I'm not blaming anyone.

AP initiated, I am not blaming him.
DP was talking to other women online, I am not blaming him for my actions/reactions or behaviour. Justification of doing something dumb doesn't imply blame.

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Ladybugzrock · 30/12/2022 16:14

A lot of what you describe is very familiar to me. But I experienced it as a betrayed. I saw my husband absolutely aghast and genuinely in extreme pain over what he'd done for months.

But for what it's worth, it was meaningless. It was still ALL ABOUT HIM. Now I don't mean that to be unkind, I'm a good few years out now and more or less through my trauma, what I'm saying is that until he could truly empathise and find compassion for me and our extended family, he was not remorseful. Regretful, shameful, full of guilt, yes but not remorseful. He was locked in that spiral for a long time. It did him and me more damage.

Once you feel remorse you will realise that although your intentions are good here, you still come across as selfish and entitled and almost lulled into this affair by him.

You are not a victim. You made choices, a series of damaging choices.

Choices which took the personal agency and right to informed sexual consent from his wife and your husband.

This you must own.

My problem with the don't disclose argument is that it still continues to take those from him. He has a right to his own path, whatever that may be. Controlling outcomes by not allowing him to know his truth is still stealing agency. When you've not been through infidelity that is hard to understand.

My husband did come through and is truly a remorseful man. But it took time and it took a great deal of introspection. You're on that path and this is your time to pull yourself out of the dark and find your moral compass again, your true north.

Surviving infidelity have a brilliant board called 'waywards' reading there might help, affair recovery videos are amazing for people who want to do better. 'How to help my spouse heal from my affair' may give you the aha moments you need to understand what led you to this. All of these resources could help you further.

FixitJesus · 30/12/2022 16:16

Karma will Be back

If it existed.

IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 16:20

Ladybugzrock · 30/12/2022 16:14

A lot of what you describe is very familiar to me. But I experienced it as a betrayed. I saw my husband absolutely aghast and genuinely in extreme pain over what he'd done for months.

But for what it's worth, it was meaningless. It was still ALL ABOUT HIM. Now I don't mean that to be unkind, I'm a good few years out now and more or less through my trauma, what I'm saying is that until he could truly empathise and find compassion for me and our extended family, he was not remorseful. Regretful, shameful, full of guilt, yes but not remorseful. He was locked in that spiral for a long time. It did him and me more damage.

Once you feel remorse you will realise that although your intentions are good here, you still come across as selfish and entitled and almost lulled into this affair by him.

You are not a victim. You made choices, a series of damaging choices.

Choices which took the personal agency and right to informed sexual consent from his wife and your husband.

This you must own.

My problem with the don't disclose argument is that it still continues to take those from him. He has a right to his own path, whatever that may be. Controlling outcomes by not allowing him to know his truth is still stealing agency. When you've not been through infidelity that is hard to understand.

My husband did come through and is truly a remorseful man. But it took time and it took a great deal of introspection. You're on that path and this is your time to pull yourself out of the dark and find your moral compass again, your true north.

Surviving infidelity have a brilliant board called 'waywards' reading there might help, affair recovery videos are amazing for people who want to do better. 'How to help my spouse heal from my affair' may give you the aha moments you need to understand what led you to this. All of these resources could help you further.

Thank you. I'm sorry for what you went through and hope you were able to repair your relationship. I'm glad you got the truth instead of gaslighting.

I of course don't think I'm a victim, I've said that a few times, I've been a total bastard and this is all on me, whether initiated to another person or not. The stuff with my own partner is complicated, I know two wrongs don't make a right and I know my behaviour wasn't okay, I just allowed previous indiscretions to influence my decision making back then. I'm not doing that now - but I need to work through the next steps re. Telling him or not with my therapists and not jump into that while I'm still working on my own childhood trauma.

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mathanxiety · 30/12/2022 16:21

I feel very strongly that you should contact the wife here.

Or are you OK with the idea that this man would talk her into having another baby? Selling up and buying a house a long way from any support network she may have? Quitting her job? Moving abroad?

Making decisions that would deprive her of any means of financial support or the support of friends or family should she ever find out the truth, in other words...

This woman may well be considering life altering decisions without all the information she needs.

I personally think it's cowardly of you to rule it out. Your reasons to avoid it are all flimsy - and avoidant. This woman already suspects the truth. She deserves all the information she needs to make solid decisions about her own life.

Palmfrond · 30/12/2022 16:22

IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 16:14

I'm not blaming anyone.

AP initiated, I am not blaming him.
DP was talking to other women online, I am not blaming him for my actions/reactions or behaviour. Justification of doing something dumb doesn't imply blame.

blame/justification/excuse, call it what you want. As @Thedaysthatremain said, “You are a scumbag and you need to stop abdicating responsibly for your actions.“

mommatoone · 30/12/2022 16:23

@Alcemeg - yes i knew what they meant obvs!!!.
'Brave' to post on a forum full of anonymous people you will never meet.
What a load of bollocks.

IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 16:23

mathanxiety · 30/12/2022 16:21

I feel very strongly that you should contact the wife here.

Or are you OK with the idea that this man would talk her into having another baby? Selling up and buying a house a long way from any support network she may have? Quitting her job? Moving abroad?

Making decisions that would deprive her of any means of financial support or the support of friends or family should she ever find out the truth, in other words...

This woman may well be considering life altering decisions without all the information she needs.

I personally think it's cowardly of you to rule it out. Your reasons to avoid it are all flimsy - and avoidant. This woman already suspects the truth. She deserves all the information she needs to make solid decisions about her own life.

Why is it my place to do it? He should be honest with her yes, but me jumping in isn't going to help anyone.

He's not going to have another baby, he's 48. I am best taking myself far away from the situation and not involving myself in either of their lives. If she contacted me then it might be different, she knows who I am so she could but she hasn't done so, therefore I don't think it's fair on me to contact her out of the blue.

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