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If you're thinking of/open to having an affair, please read this (coming from someone who did)

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IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 13:38

I've seen a lot of posts lately that remind me of me in the early days before I made the worst decision I ever made. I just wanted to say these things in the hope that it stops someone from crossing the line when they're being charmed and chased and feel like they've met someone who makes them feel so happy and alive.

I didn't just fuck up by having an affair. I fucked up for FIVE WHOLE YEARS because I was so consumed by the affair fog and my inability to separate reality from fantasy. I never got caught so I'm saying this without having to deal with the ramifications of that on top. My relationship had become very stale, we had been together from teens to thirties, morphed into flatmate territory, this person engineered themselves into my life, chased me when I wasn't even interested at first and made themselves indispensable. I didn't go looking for it and didn't even realise what was happening until boundaries had already been crossed.

To any of you feeling similar and getting attention from that colleague at work, that old ex boyfriend, a mutual friend etc - run, do not walk, far in the opposite direction before you engage in a phase of fantasy and it consumes your life. Before, inevitably whether after months or years, it eventually comes undone. And when it does your life will feel 50x worse than it did before when you were a little bored and lapping up the attention.

After the fall out of mine, I had to see a therapist because I went from being perfectly stable to unable to focus on my day job, eat, or function day to day. I felt suicidal and couldn't talk to anyone about it because of the shame of what I had done. I felt addicted to a person, much like a hardcore drug addiction, and had to quit cold Turkey when neither of us wanted to. My heart felt blitzed into smithereens and I felt that I had nothing to live for. All this for someone that in the very beginning, I wasn't even attracted to!

Not to mention the guilt towards other people - living a secret double life and trying to justify or downplay it to yourself, neglecting your relationship even further and fully checking out when if you reframed your mind, you could either work through it or leave and be happy in a genuine relationship. Some of the things I did I never would have thought possible of me before, and looking back now that reality has set in I'm horrified at myself. We had sex in my house, my bed I share with my partner. His house, once while his young child was asleep upstairs. My mums house, his mums house, work events. The things you will do once you're in the thick of this are absolutely disgusting and shameful.

Not only that but we had close calls a few times, but we didn't stop. We were too addicted to each other. We just found new ways to stay in touch, became extra secretive (don't ever doubt someone's ability to continue cheating if they really want to, even if you are monitoring their phone - the level of determination and creativity is next level).

I've realised that I definitely have some trauma I needed to work through and most people who engage in this type of thing suffer from self esteem issues, anxiety or general self doubt which make them susceptible to getting involved without realising what a dumb decision it is. Our affair borderlined on obsession, we barely went an hour without contact, we called each other and kept frequently in touch when on long haul holidays, we messaged continually through the work day, we even 'worked from home' together a few times.

What seems at first like harmless flirting, something you can walk away from, little chats to make you feel good about yourself, that's just dipping your toe in before falling into the lake. It's not worth it. It will all be ripped away overnight and you will have become so dependent on this you won't be able to function.

NOTHING good will come of engaging in an affair. If you want to leave your relationship, leave, take some time to learn what you want, and then you can start looking for something healthy and sustainable. An exit affair won't help you. If you want to stay in your relationship, don't play with fire, you may find yourself suddenly getting the ick with your partner or finding them intolerable because you're so wrapped up in your fantasy.

If you want to work through your issues, you need to start talking. Communication shutting down or feeling difficult was the start of where it all went wrong for me. I seem to be seeing so many posts lately of me years ago and I want to warn people of what's to come if they go down this path. So hopefully this helps someone even if nobody responds to this post.

And yes, I am very well aware of what a total asshole I've been. How I've treated my partner, how me and my affair partner have both together manipulated his partner so we could keep things going between us. You will become the absolute worst version of yourself if you do this, and like a drug addict you will do things you never thought you were capable of to ensure you get to keep the addiction going.

I'm happy to answer anyone's questions if it helps to stop people ending up like me. If you feel in a rut at home, start a new hobby, make some new friends, enrich your life in other ways.. it won't be as intense a high, but is a far better option than human Heroin.

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IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 31/12/2022 15:34

I'm not here to talk about mine, only to answer questions and stop people making the same mistake. I don't know why you seem to think you know me as I can assure you you don't. There is no need to get nasty.

You're a bit anti women if you think I'm the only scummy one here. All people who fuck up and do this stuff are deeply flawed and yes fucking stupid. Not just me.

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IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 31/12/2022 15:36

And if I wanted to speak to my AP I would do. He was more than happy to speak to me several times after this 'break' on his side was agreed. I am the one who said to delete numbers, I am the one who said to focus on his home situation. And I am the one now who doesn't want him back. I've no clue where his head is at and no desire to find out.

If I move forward in my life it will be on my own. I've no desire for another relationship, I've not trusted a single man in my life.

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BirdyWoof · 31/12/2022 15:52

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IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 31/12/2022 16:04

Your words can really hurt people's mental health and there's no need for it. I can't trust a single man in my life because of my childhood and upbringing so unless you've been there please don't think you're the authority on that.

I'm not anti women or anti men - I accept life isn't black and white, people fuck up, some mildly, some catastrophically.

AP and I are both total shits. Nobody worse than the other. I think he has his own issues that lead him here and he needs to work on himself and his future as much as I do.

My partner is flawed too, that's not me blaming him but it's reinforced my belief that I can't trust any man. And I didn't drop my pants for him, it took 18 months for that line to be crossed and it was crossed because I was so fucking deluded and wrapped up in a fantasy that I had lost touch with reality.

It's fine for you to sit there on your high horse but until you have lived through some of this stuff then your comments and opinions can only go so far. I am not refusing to take the blame or saying I think I'm right or had good reasons for my decisions because that's not it either. But there's no need to tear into an anonymous stranger when you've had no idea what they've been through. All I want to do is make it very clear to people this is what lies ahead for them. And to be honest, all this hate I'm getting is fine because this will also be coming their way too if they keep going down this path.

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Kiwirose · 31/12/2022 16:09

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@BirdyWoof this is mean and nasty.

You can neither know about @IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne 's character nor predict the future.

BirdyWoof · 31/12/2022 16:20

IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 31/12/2022 16:04

Your words can really hurt people's mental health and there's no need for it. I can't trust a single man in my life because of my childhood and upbringing so unless you've been there please don't think you're the authority on that.

I'm not anti women or anti men - I accept life isn't black and white, people fuck up, some mildly, some catastrophically.

AP and I are both total shits. Nobody worse than the other. I think he has his own issues that lead him here and he needs to work on himself and his future as much as I do.

My partner is flawed too, that's not me blaming him but it's reinforced my belief that I can't trust any man. And I didn't drop my pants for him, it took 18 months for that line to be crossed and it was crossed because I was so fucking deluded and wrapped up in a fantasy that I had lost touch with reality.

It's fine for you to sit there on your high horse but until you have lived through some of this stuff then your comments and opinions can only go so far. I am not refusing to take the blame or saying I think I'm right or had good reasons for my decisions because that's not it either. But there's no need to tear into an anonymous stranger when you've had no idea what they've been through. All I want to do is make it very clear to people this is what lies ahead for them. And to be honest, all this hate I'm getting is fine because this will also be coming their way too if they keep going down this path.

No one made you post this online, though? If you can’t handle peoples opinions on the matter, don’t post?

People nowadays think they can make awful choices but if they say enough long wordy paragraphs about how sad they are, people are supposed to be like “oh yes that’s ok that you had a 5 year long affair”.

And who’s making assumptions, now? You have no idea what I’ve gone through in my life, either. I only started saying things fairly bluntly when you decided that it was appropriate to throw a sly dig my way (regarding my need to catch up on the thread). If you can’t take it, don’t give it out. You posted on an online forum, you knew there would be responses. If you can’t handle that then you shouldn’t be posting anything online.

It’s New Years Eve and you’re spending every second of it on Mumsnet discussing your affair instead of doing something with your partner. Is he at work? Or is he just sat in the house while you’re holed up on your phone?

The whole situation is awfully sad, for him, that is.

Mumincloud · 31/12/2022 16:41

The post is all about you. Your choice your pain your experience, what you are doing.

You have no consideration for others pain. You are only mad because weening is hurting you. You dont seem to be remorseful of what you did to others.
5yrs without being caught - there is some talent right there.

krackin23 · 31/12/2022 16:46

How did you manage to communicate secretly @IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne if you don't mind me asking ? Were mobile devices used and then wiped?
Was his wife asleep when you were communicating late at night?
Just looking for insight into how these things can be played out in secret as I think I was duped in a similar way years ago with him using secret messenger on FB and I would occasionally hear after I had gone to bed what I thought was talking from downstairs.

Mumincloud · 31/12/2022 16:50

Also, I was in an emotional affair for 2yrs. Never met the person, only sharing deep pains and my life with that person. Just texting. He was starting to ask me sext but I was feeling totally guilty already. So blocked him. It wasnt his first affair and I was the most boring (emotional)affair partner. Then my husband knew because I could not hide myself properly so he asked 1 question and I told him ALL of it.

I am glad I told. Like some lorry lifted off my chest.

Its not fair to do these things to others. It dosnt make you clever, it only makes you selfish. Now that you know you can get away and you can confidently lie and fools others; will you stop with 1 affair?

NaturalBae · 31/12/2022 16:58

OP - You and your AP married and had DC with the wrong people.
Tell your Husband or don’t tell him. Just be done with it and split up.

I’m not a relationship or sex therapist but this is what I’m thinking after reading the updates on this thread. Not in any particular order:

Lesson 1 - Ensure that you are at least physically attracted to the person you chose to marry and procreate with.

Lesson 2 - Communicate with your partner always, and about everything!

Lesson 3 - Experiment sexually with your partner. Grow together sexually and ask each them what they like or don’t like. Foreplay is very important.

Lesson 4 - Women are ‘generally’ more emotional than men.

Lesson 5 - Men ‘tend’ to be more ‘physical’ than women and need sex more often than women. As a woman, this is something that needs discussion and compromise with your partner or this will become an issue in your relationship.

Lesson 6 - Your partner should be a best friend.

Lesson 7 - Learn to have quickies (esp. once you have DC).

Lesson 8 - Establish time alone with your partner away from the DC. Establish date lunches/nights if possible.

Lesson 9 - Have ongoing conversations re. money, health, religion and politics.

Lesson 10 - Be clear and agree how your household will be run. Discuss how tasks such as shopping, cleaning, cooking, childcare, etc will be managed between you both.

In a nutshell, keep the intimacy going - snuggle, cuddle, kiss and/or hug each other at least once a day (you can do this in front of DC). Buy each other Birthday and Christmas gifts, inclu. adhoc gifts such as favourite treats or flowers. Treat each other how you would like to be treated. Talk about your day, goals, concerns, etc.

Lesson 11 - Be open to counselling/couple counselling.

Lesson 12 - If you would like an open relationship, discuss it with your partner first and get their permission.

Lesson 13 - Consider ending your relationship if it is no longer serving you and you are not happy.

Lesson 14 - Do not knowingly enter into relationships with people who are not single.

Lesson 15 - Avoid selfish and narcissistic partners, if you would like a healthy, loving and reciprocal relationship without infidelity.

VisaGeezer · 31/12/2022 16:59

The whole situation is awfully sad, for him, that is.

As the person who set the precedent with all his cheating, I wouldn't waste your sympathy on him.

NaturalBae · 31/12/2022 17:07

OP - You and your AP married and had DC with the wrong people.
*Your Husband did too.

It’s all just a horrible mess. I feel sorry for the DC.

MMmomDD · 31/12/2022 17:28

OP - I think your extreme emotional attachment to your AP is less about it being an affair and more a function of you and your life story.
And if I were looking at your story - the main ‘DONT’ - for me would be - don’t get together with someone as a teenager and stay in the relationship in your 20/30s when it goes stale.

Your reaction to the attention of your AP is the accumulation of what you had missed as a young person. Excitement, meetings new people, experiencing things, learning about people, relationships and yourself.
You slipped that part and clearly needed it.

Your marriage has no chance. You both need to let each other be free. Or, maybe you need to agree to have a period of an open marriage - where you both can experience what you both are so clearly missing with other people and grow a bit. And then you can reassess.
You don’t mention kids - having or wanting them. Being in your 30s it may be a consideration as well.

Your H doesn’t need to know. Really doesn’t. There is absolutely no reason why you need to hurt him. Your relationship doesn’t have a physical component - but even then - he would he hurt. Radical absolute honesty is only a good idea on paper.
if you stay together - and somehow resurrect your relationship - it’ll always hurt him in a niggling way.
if you separate - he’ll struggle to trust other women.
So - just carry your cross on your own. Don’t push it over onto him.

good luck

Merlinsbeard83 · 31/12/2022 17:30

5 years ! and you didnt even end it . You really should off broke up with your partner years ago .
You sound bitter it didn't work out with the guy you had an affair with .
Your partner talking to other people online is not the same as a 5 year affair.
But backs up that you two should of moved on years ago . And maybe you would both be in happy relationships by now. Or just happy on your own .
This post just highlights how selfish affairs are and the lengths people go to to justify them .
Maybe for your own mental health you need to come clean and move on . You sound like it has caused you alot of stress

VisaGeezer · 31/12/2022 17:34

Op I feel like your h is a cheating shit, your AP is a cheating shit, and now you've let yourself be dragged down to their level (with regards to his wife in particular).

But you've finally ended it, you're seeing the light. It still leaves you with a cheating shit of a h though ..... Maybe you could work through all your "obstacles" to leaving him and possible solutions on paper.

Either that or you both go for the open relationship.... Those generally end in disaster though.

Londisc · 31/12/2022 17:36

Another person here who, having read more about the all the Tinder etc., says... "just" end things with your husband. One good thing could come from this horrible affair - let it be the impetus to finally end the marriage. This situation needs a brave grown up - it's going to have to be you who calls time on things. You and your husband both have so much life ahead of you - please don't waste it locked in this toxic and miserable situation. You will have a really hard year or two ahead of you and then you won't look back. Do it now, while there actually is no one else involved. Don't leave for someone else. Leave for yourself. You will find peace and strength and ultimately happiness - but you must do the difficult bit first and you need to do that in 2023.

GoodNightsSleep · 31/12/2022 17:45

I’m thinking that this thread may be achieving you original goal: highlighting the toxic nature of affairs, leaving no winners and the potential of so much trauma for almost everyone involved (except for maybe the cheating cake-eaters if they don’t get caught). Hopefully you get something from this.

Blastmydogintospace · 31/12/2022 21:19

Seems quite simple to me, two self entitled covert narcs hiding the truth from everyone for their own benefit and reputation.
Op you're never going to come clean, what would the children say, your peers, your friends, your family. I should imagine you will try to take this to your grave and the only remorse from what I can see is his wife has cottoned on to who you are. Two people re writing history, truth is both you and your ap never had the skills or empathy to make your own mariages work, both clearly selfish individuals who thought they deserved to be the centre of the universe. I would lay odds on the fact you both were selfish in each respective marriage, 5 years of deception, that's not done by nice people.
You are both vile creatures, both abusers.

@VisaGeezer talks rubbish, banging on about your h's infedelity, it's a poor excuse for 5 years of abuse you have put him through, yes he probably knew something and still you proceeded to harm him, I bet he hates you.
Like you say the sunken costs falicy runs deep in many long term marriages both staying together for many reasons but wow the lack of respect you showed him was off the scale, evil almost.
I personally don't think you fit to wipe his boots let alone expect him to adore you again, he's not a piece of trash to be picked up now that you've 'finished' with your ap, which by the way I don't think has ended, you're far too greedy for that.
This talk of repentance is rubbish, I don't think you mean any of it but I do think you are in for a shock when it all comes out, and it will, and I don't think you've properly thought how bad that will be, at the moment nothing is known but wait till it's public.

It would be interesting to know your response then.

Blastmydogintospace · 31/12/2022 21:36

IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 31/12/2022 15:36

And if I wanted to speak to my AP I would do. He was more than happy to speak to me several times after this 'break' on his side was agreed. I am the one who said to delete numbers, I am the one who said to focus on his home situation. And I am the one now who doesn't want him back. I've no clue where his head is at and no desire to find out.

If I move forward in my life it will be on my own. I've no desire for another relationship, I've not trusted a single man in my life.

So basically you are terrified of all this getting out and being exposed.

This attonement is nothing more than self preservation.

That's what this is about you're scared of exposure but angry at having to end it on someone elses terms, not his or yours but societies.

VisaGeezer · 31/12/2022 21:42

@VisaGeezer talks rubbish, banging on about your h's infedelity, it's a poor excuse for 5 years of abuse you have put him through, yes he probably knew something and still you proceeded to harm him, I bet he hates you.

He put her through years of infidelity and abuse - he can take his oil, as they say round here. I have zero sympathy for him. You reap what you sow.

The only person I feel sorry for is ops Ap's wife.

(And to some extent op).

And you're one to accuse someone if taking rubbish. You're typing plenty of it.

VisaGeezer · 31/12/2022 21:44

it's a poor excuse

Perfectly good excuse as far as I'm concerned.

He doesn't even give a fuck anyway - he was up for an open relationship.

And that's what he was one sidedky doing for years anyway.

Your sympathy and moral outrage is wasted on him.

Very foolish.

VisaGeezer · 31/12/2022 21:48

Oh and if someone suspects something and cares ..... They look into it, they delve, they question, they monitor ...... doesn't sound like he's done any of those things.

Because, as I said, he doesn't really seem to give a fuck. He was amenable to an open relationship, he's been leaving sloppy trails of his own infidelity for years.

VisaGeezer · 31/12/2022 21:54

The response of someone who cares about monogamy & exclusivity to their partner, when asked if they would have an open relationship, is not "sure, if you like".

(Not even followed up by any clarification of if or when that might happen, or if not, why not).

VisaGeezer · 31/12/2022 22:03

*And if I were looking at your story - the main ‘DONT’ - for me would be - don’t get together with someone as a teenager and stay in the relationship in your 20/30s when it goes stale.

Your reaction to the attention of your AP is the accumulation of what you had missed as a young person. Excitement, meetings new people, experiencing things, learning about people, relationships and yourself.
You slipped that part and clearly needed it.*

While this is a common thing in people who got into steady, committed relationships as teens; I don't actually agree this is the main reason for ops behaviour.in this case.

She should not have stayed in the relationship in her 20s/30s, not because it had gone stale; but because he kept being caught in scenarios that heavily suggested he was cheating.

And I don't think her getting reeled in by the older cheater was down to modding out on variety per se; more that she'd been subjected to infidelity (though couldn't outright prove it) and accompanying lying and gas lighting for years, and was vulnerable to someone pursuing her, flattering her, giving her lots of attention, focusing on her etc.

She should have left her relationship, but not because of general "settled too young" issues; because her h showed himself to be a cheating, lying shit.
If he hadn't, their relationship could've followed the trajectory of many of the "got together young" couples in here, which is a pretty happy, settled, very much together one.

VisaGeezer · 31/12/2022 22:05

*missing out on variety