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Husband says he wants out - but won't leave

220 replies

dogmama1 · 13/11/2022 12:45

He told me 5 days ago, he is done. Wants a divorce and wants the house sold and to be out.

Yet .... he's stayed. He does have places he could go seeing how desperate he is to be done with us. But he's choosing not too. He's sleeping on the sofa ... coming and going as he pleases. Not talking at all ...

It's agony.
I don't understand why if he feels so strongly about it, he wouldn't get away now. We have to sell the house of course, which he'd get 50% of. But hasn't made any movements yet to get that going.

I just feel completely lost and like this is crippling me.
I don't want this, and did tell him that when he told me. He told me he'd made his mind up and it didn't make a difference what I was saying.

I've been hiding myself away upstairs because it's all just too painful for me.
Why isn't he leaving?

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dogmama1 · 13/11/2022 13:23

sianiboo · 13/11/2022 13:19

What @LemonTT has said. He's not going anywhere.

If you have anywhere you can go, I'd go as soon as possible. Like you've said, the sale of the house could take months...do you really want to live in misery with him that whole time?

I don't want to live like this. No.

But, if you agree with lemonTT, why would you advise I leave? He hasn't made any steps to get the house on the market as of yet. So why would I leave? He wants out of this ... not me.

Half of this house is mine, and I need to protect that just as much as he seems to think he does.

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1000yellowdaisies · 13/11/2022 13:25

So sorry you are going through this op. He sounds dreadfully cruel.
In my experience men who check out so completely using have someone else, even if they arent in a relationship yet. Not saying that to be cruel but when a previous partner turned on me after 5 years it was because of someone else and it helped in a way to end the 'what if....' thoughts running through my head.
Echo what pps have said, don't leave the house.

Alertthecorgis · 13/11/2022 13:25

I’d get the house straight onto the market. Don’t engage with him and if you’re doing anything at all for him, stop it now. What an absolutely selfish arsehole.

HappyHamsters · 13/11/2022 13:28

You are both entitled to stay in the house, do not leave.
Do nothing for him.
He wont get the e.a in or appoint a solicitor because he is lazy and hopes you will do it so call his bluff and ignore his behaviour

Flowersintheattic57 · 13/11/2022 13:30

And defo stop doing ANYTHING for him full stop.

IncompleteSenten · 13/11/2022 13:31

Phone estate agents to come round and value it.

Start doing things that show you are moving forward with separating and selling up.

Take back control.

howshouldibehave · 13/11/2022 13:34

My family's advise has been for me to stay put and for me not to initiate anything

All that means is that you will end up living in the house for ages together which is something you clearly aren’t finding much fun. You can’t expect him to leave any more than he can expect you to, so why prolong the agony? I’d get it valued and on the market.

sianiboo · 13/11/2022 13:34

@dogmama1 Depends what you mean by 'protect'...do you think he will do damage to the house? Delay the sale in some way? You are married, 50% of the equity will be yours when it's sold, unless you agree a different split between you. That's not going to change.

If he wants out, there's nothing you can do to change that either. I think his behaviour since he told you makes it pretty clear he's not going to change his mind...or be nice, either.

You are going to need a solicitor, to make sure you get everything you are legally entitled to. I went through this when I split from my 1st husband (I was 23). He was being difficult over the equity split - I wanted more than 50% as I was moving back to my home country. The move was my idea, I moved out straight away, but when he started dragging his heels I moved back in. Pointed out to him the longer he delayed the financial settlement, the bigger solicitor's bill he was going to have to pay (I got legal aid, this was 30 years ago when you still could for a divorce if you weren't working). After 2 weeks he saw sense, I got all the equity and moved back out again.

sianiboo · 13/11/2022 13:35

*the divorce was my idea

dogmama1 · 13/11/2022 13:39

I think my struggle is at the moment, I'm almost frozen. I don't feel like I know my ass from my elbow.

I completely understand the advise for me to take control and get the house on the market and file divorce, but, I'm petrified.
I never wanted this. And to be selling up and signing away everything that was my life is so painful.

I've waken up each day since and it's like a wave that swallows me whole again. Reality hits me again. He went from kissing me goodbye Tuesday morning and texting me kindly to advise me of faulty traffic lights and built up traffic for my commute to work. To coming home and so aggressively telling me it's over.

I wish, in a ideal world. He'd of said what he said and left, kept in contact to make arrangements to sell the home and split assets and let me deal with this grief without him being under the nose, seemingly completely unphased by it all. It's making it so much more painful.

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Theunamedcat · 13/11/2022 13:40

Can you afford to buy him out?

Get several estate agents in to value the property show him your taking him seriously

Make sure you get his agreement in writing to sell or he could scupper it

dogmama1 · 13/11/2022 13:43

Theunamedcat · 13/11/2022 13:40

Can you afford to buy him out?

Get several estate agents in to value the property show him your taking him seriously

Make sure you get his agreement in writing to sell or he could scupper it

I started to look into this.

But I'd have to find £30+k to buy him out, then take over the remaining mortgage of £140k and the help to buy gov loan of £47k.
My first instinct was, I can't loose this home. And my family stood behind me and said they'd do all they could including mum becoming garentor. But, logistically, I'd be leaving myself very financially strapped and roping family into it too.
So as much as it absolutely breaks my heart to have to sell my home, I adore it.
I think I'd be better off selling, taking my equity, moving back in with my mum, saving £50k and start house hunting alone.

One things for sure, I'll never make an investment like this again with a man.

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Blueblell · 13/11/2022 13:51

Absolutely let him leave not you!

ICanHideButICantRun · 13/11/2022 13:52

If you re-read what you've written about him, the way he's treated you lately, you'll know you need to leave him.

It's been a short marriage and just as you ripped off the band aid by telling your family and friends, I think you should do the same again and go to a solicitor. Get the house on the market asap.

I really feel for you - the shock must be terrible - but the way he's behaving now is showing you his true character.

CatJumperTwat · 13/11/2022 13:53

For practical reasons I'd get the house on the market ASAP. Everything I'm reading has dire warnings about a big price crash coming soon.

dogmama1 · 13/11/2022 13:56

ICanHideButICantRun · 13/11/2022 13:52

If you re-read what you've written about him, the way he's treated you lately, you'll know you need to leave him.

It's been a short marriage and just as you ripped off the band aid by telling your family and friends, I think you should do the same again and go to a solicitor. Get the house on the market asap.

I really feel for you - the shock must be terrible - but the way he's behaving now is showing you his true character.

@ICanHideButICantRun my mum has said the same. She said that from everything I've told her, she's shocked he's the one saying he wants out and that I haven't run for the hills long before.

I think I know deep down, he isn't who I thought he was. He's been truly cruel for the last 6-7 months.. he didn't even write his own wedding speech. I drafted one for him to give him a idea and he literally just used the same one....

I guess I was naive.

But it doesn't stop this hurting like a whole in the head.

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BadNomad · 13/11/2022 13:56

I'd say he's not leaving because in his mind it's his house too and why should he have to leave it. I do think it would do you good to take action. Get some people around to value the house. He'll probably be a dick about it but whatever.

ICanHideButICantRun · 13/11/2022 14:04

Do you think that if you leave, he'll just refuse to go?

He sounds an absolute prick. I bet your mum is so glad that you are splitting up from him - I'm sure she's sorry for your shock, but glad that the break has been made.

Alertthecorgis · 13/11/2022 14:10

I’d start by getting valuations. So you’ve got an idea on what you can get for your house.

Maybe sit down and have a look at finances to see if it’s at all doable to stay where you are.

GreenManalishi · 13/11/2022 14:17

He's got his eye on someone else, if he has acted on it yet or not.

The signs were there when you got married, and if his behaviour has been truly cruel recently, he was hoping you would get the hint. He is now hoping that you will move out, seeing as you have organised the purchase of a house and the day to day running of it, it's a nice easy option for him to stay.

Yes, the general advice is to stay put, however you can't both do that and not live together while you divorce. It's a war of attrition, at great cost to your mental and emotional wellbeing. As an interim idea, while you work out what to do, do you have any friends or family that could come and stay for a night or two so you feel you're not on your own with him to bolster you a little bit?

I would see a solicitor asap and put the house on the market to take control, there is no point in delaying, this is only going one way. If you can't deal with living in the same house as him go and stay with someone while the divorce and the house sale goes through. Make sure you have taken care of any shared bank accounts etc, and you have a hold of your important documents, take them to your mums.

Rip the plaster off, let go of what you thought you had. It will take less from you in the long run.

HappyHamsters · 13/11/2022 14:22

Of course it hurts, he is being very cruel and if he seemed ok on Tuesday then turned the same day he has been planning this and playing you for months. Its about your future now and what YOU want, fuck him and his insults. It will get easier and you will look back and wonder why you stayed so long with someone so unkind, childish and selfish. Your mum sounds like a true friend.

username8888 · 13/11/2022 14:24

He's seeing someone else and making you the bad guy. Ask him to go.

Newlifestartingatlast · 13/11/2022 14:27

dogmama1 · 13/11/2022 12:53

I don't think there is anyone else. He's always at home with me before this happened, evenings and weekends we spent together. His phone only works via text as the speaker is broken, and he's never on his phone...

No kids. But we have talked at length about starting a family next year.

I don't know why he expects me to leave. He knows I manage everything in this household. He'd never be here today if it wasn't for me. He didn't even have a bank account.

I just don't understand how someone can be so blunt that he wants out, he's miserable here. Even said 'it's making me sick and I need out' ... yet is choosing to stay put. Considering the house isn't even on the market yet - and with mortgage rates rising so the market slowing down... it could be months and month!!

Unfortunately if you hired solicitors they’d both say to stay put.

he needs to start divorce petition and start process to agree financial split. If he won’t do this, you do it instead. But tell him you expect him to do donkey work in admin as he’s the one instigating. Give him 3 weeks to log petition otherwise tell him you will do it and your expenses will come from his potion of financial settlement. All divorces now are no fault - you can even petition together,.

while you wait for him to do that, agree when you’ll be using kitchen, lounge etc . Come up with rota . Stop doing anything for him(you must in law if you are claiming seperation ) . This includes not doing food shop, cooking laundry. Agree a cleaning rota. Separate from his family and do nothing like sending birthday cards etc

Then get hold of the Advice Now guides on divorce while you’re waiting on him to start. The link is at top of page in MN divorce chat room now as I asked them to put it there. These are written by solicitors to helpavoid solicitor costs and are DIY guides. For English law only. They do cost £20 or so to download but that is cheap when a solicitor will cost you £200 per hour plus. Read both ones on divorce process itself (you do NOTeither of you, require a solicitor for this- it is very easy website and simple to do). You can also go onto the Gov.com web site and follow process in there and download all forms you will need for your financial settlement like Form E and D81.
get the advice now guide to financial settlements. If you can agree between you then you just need to pay for solicitor to put into legal draft for court to approve . Really until that’s drafted by a solicitor and you’ve provisionally signed ready for the courts, no solicitor would advise anyone moving out. The financial settlement requires you both to make full legal financial disclosure on Form E, and then D81 if you can agree and going consent order route. In all cases the court uses 10 or so criteria to determine what is a “fair” settlement - this may not be 50:50 in all cases. The advice now guide tells you these criteria, and explains the different processes around consent orders or financial agreements made by the court if you can’t agree yourselves. If you can’t agree you are now required by law to go to mediation before you ask court to settle.

if you can reach agreement amicably it will help him and you to have confidence to move out or on at an earlier stage.

Roght now though, he has pulled a surprise and shock on you. He has had a chance to visualise his future without you. You need to get to that place too and it takes time. One piece of this is the question of where you will live, how you will live, what you will live on (money). Getting your head around the process in these guides will help you with that and set out more clearly the future implications. Once that part of the unknown (and therefore fear) starts to become clearer you will be able to start to move forwards

also look at the Grief Pathway model- that’s what you’re going though. It will take time and will produce all sorts of odd emotions. Understanding the pathway will help you make a bit more sense that what you feel is reasonable and understand able. Be gentle on yourself

Try to stay as unemotional with him as possible. Keep it practice and amicable if possible, you’ll both save enormous amounts of money, time and stress if you can get through it amicable with minimal solicitors costs - neither of you are going to come out better off in the end with all the fancy and expensive solicitors in the world (unless you’re millionaires) , so better to avoid mediation let alone the courts unless he really won’t engage or is being abusive.

kingtamponthefurred · 13/11/2022 14:28

Having friends or family with you sounds like a good idea. Could your mother come for an extended stay?

kingtamponthefurred · 13/11/2022 14:29

And yes, you need to act promptly if you want the house sold before prices drop. Tell him this. Self interest might galvanise him into action even if decency won't.