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Did you feel sorry for DH when he got caught?

221 replies

WhatFreshHell1 · 09/11/2022 14:20

Name changed for this as don’t want it linking back to my old posts……….

got a message out the blue yesterday from a woman saying she’d ‘been intimate’ with my DH. I confronted him (calmly) today and he admitted everything, apologised, said he knew he was a stupid idiot, he loves me and wants to say together but ultimately my decision. We have 2 youngish kids.

im obviously leaning towards separation but I actually felt sorry for him. He was totally, totally broken.

is it normal to feel like this, or is it just the shock reaction? I cannot believe this whole situation is happening. I half wish I didn’t know.

OP posts:
Beachloveramy · 10/11/2022 08:46

I’d feel exactly the same and it would massively depend on whether it was a one off/no feelings or multiple lies and deception as to whether I stayed with him or not.

If it was me and I decided to stay, I wouldn’t want anyone in RL to know about it. It’s such a hard one and I’m totally with you.

My H video called another woman (in that way) thinking she was genuine and it got recorded and he was blackmailed. He was totally broken etc etc. I’ve stayed with him but the trust is not the same at all and I’m struggling with intimacy (we have a very young baby so we are also very sleep deprived).

GerbilsForever24 · 10/11/2022 08:53

However, most of the time cheating is just a symptom of other issues.

<rolls eyes>

I'll concede that in some situations, an affair is a symptom of other issues but I honestly don't see why that seems to be considered a mitigating factor. If you're poor, that might be the reason you decide to steal. But it's still not okay and if you get caught, you will go to jail. For the simple reason that being poor and not being able to afford steak or a new games console is not a valid reason to then steal those things.

Similarly, sometimes I'm so frustrated with the children I just want to grab them and shake them. But of course I don't. Because that would be physical abuse and wrong. The reason I feel like that is reasonable, but any such action I then took as a result would NOT be reasonable.

it's not complicated. I will never understand why this reasoning is trotted out for affairs as if to say, "well, it's a sign of something else so it's not really his fault." Bollocks.

ChristmasisRuined · 10/11/2022 08:58

He’s only ‘broken’ because he got caught

Catzby · 10/11/2022 09:06

He's obviously had a fight with this woman for her to come forward now. I don't buy the saintly doing you a favour, STI bit. She's come clean with you and broken up with him. If she hadn't he'd still be doing it - and that's why he's 'sad'. He got outed.

Set an example for your children, how you would like them to be treated. What will they learn from you if you're like a doormat and he does this again? He probably will and will be better at hiding it but the children will find out someday.

Show your children this isn't the way to be treated in a relationship and this isn't a good relationship. In the long run it will be better for them. There is nothing worse than growing up in a family where you're 'staying together for the sake of the kids' - it does more damage.

Good luck and thinking of you!

Flutterbybudget · 10/11/2022 09:09

Tbh, a “one off” I could forgive (that’s ME, not expecting everyone to feel the same) but if he’s been meeting her regularly I’d feel differently. It’s not even about the sex to me, (again, this is “me”) but the time that the family has missed out on while he was with her and not us, and the deceit.
What I will say, is firstly, that I’m so sorry you are going through this. And secondly, no one else can tell you how you should feel. You WILL go through a roller coaster of emotion in the next few days, weeks, months, even years. IF you decide to stay together, then I would strongly recommend counselling, both apart and together. You will be angry, sad, mourning for what you’ve lost - whether that be the whole relationship, the trust or whatever you feel that you’ve lost, maybe even relieved that your gut was right (if you felt anything was “off” beforehand) a whole range of emotions that you need to work through.
Want will never work though, is of you hang onto this as a stick to beat him with, over the years, together or apart. The children will invariably get caught up in that. You need to decide whether you can live with him, or not, knowing what you now know. Take your time.
And don’t feel guilty about putting yourself first right now.

SameToo · 10/11/2022 09:14

He risked your health, your marriage, yours and your childrens stability for a shag.

All sympathy would be absent for me.

Onlyforcake · 10/11/2022 09:19

You're sympathetic that he's fucked up his life because you are caring and have (had?) affection for him, that says things about you - not him. BUT you now have to decide if your feelings of hurt (that will likely build) will come first or second to his.

For me, betrayl would hurt too much.

In this, you're both strangers to me but as hurt as he is, if it's a competition then youre still the injured party. I hope you're OK and have some RL support for you and dc.

Tokyopirate · 10/11/2022 09:25

He is only feeling sad and guilty because he got caught out. If the woman hadn't of contacted you do you think he would have ever told you or that he would have just kept it a secret for your entire relationship? I'm guessing the latter.
I can understand he's sad that he fucked his life up but that's a bed that he has made for himself and is in no way your fault. I could not stay with a man that treated me with so little respect and I feel like would so easily hurt me again but at the end of the day we are all different and it is your choice to make.

rainbowstardrops · 10/11/2022 09:31

Why oh why do people risk their marriages and turn their partners/children's lives upside down just for a shag???
If there are problems in the relationship then end it before moving on!
I am very anti cheating and wouldn't tolerate it for a second.

Welshmonster · 10/11/2022 09:41

Why did woman message you? Sounds like she wants your man for herself. Why would she want a cheater as he will do it again. Block her number so she can’t send you anything else while you make your own decisions.

MarvellousMonsters · 10/11/2022 09:48

Chomolungma · 09/11/2022 14:23

I can imagine that if he was very upset it awakened your natural instinct to comfort him. Don't let this blind you to what he's done though! I hope you are ok Sad

This. It's actually quite manipulative. You should be angry and upset, but he's made you feel sorry for him.

Gummibär · 10/11/2022 10:04

It's actually quite manipulative.

Yes, he's playing the poor victim!

SudocremOnEverything · 10/11/2022 10:06

I agree that it’s alarming that he’s manipulated you into feeling bad that he’s upset your found out he’s been cheating.

Thewookiemustgo · 10/11/2022 10:10

“Again, you are confusing feeling ashamed, embarrassed, guilty, fearful and regretful with being sorry, which means sadness for someone else’s pain.”

I’m not entirely sure about this. I think people who feel sorry do feel ashamed, embarrassed, guilty, fearful and regretful. This is the difficulty with the whole thing. There are cynical cheaters who just want to cover their own back and don’t care about the one they have wronged, then there are those who cheat who are horrified at the terrible thing they’ve done and wish they’d never done it. The former kind keeps quiet to protect themselves, the latter now have a dilemma: do I ease my conscience by devastating my family with the truth, or do I carry the burden of my guilt in silence and vow to do far better and be the best partner and parent I can be? Some people genuinely weigh up whether to carry the burden of their guilt silently to protect the innocent victims they’ve wronged, or whether to burden them with a truth that will devastate everyone. I’m not condoning either option (Id rather know the truth personally but not everyone would ) but I don’t think all cheats who keep their guilt a secret do so from self protection.
I’ve seen women post here on MN that they have had an affair and feel terrible because they love their husbands, they feel like a terrible person and will feel like shit carrying the burden for the rest of their lives. Vast majority of responses are usually along the lines of ‘don’t beat yourself up’ and ‘nobody’s perfect’ and ‘you’re only human’. Not many responses along the lines of ‘you’re just sorry you might get caught’ or ‘boo hoo you knew what you were doing’.
It’s bloody hard to tell the difference between someone feeling sorry for you or for themselves.
Not all cheats are cynical people just sorry they got caught. Some are, and shame on them. But not all. Of course he didn’t apologise to OP during the affair, he was having an affair! At the time of making atrocious personal choices, people feel guilt but for all sorts of reasons it doesn’t stop them. They are lying to everyone including themselves. Prisons would be empty and there would be no pain in this world if everyone was capable of acting on their consciences as soon as guilt hit.
Cheating isn’t a mistake, it’s a deliberate act, but the actual motive is rarely an act to deliberately hurt their partner, the hurt to their partner is a consequence and collateral damage to the damage an hurt the cheats are doing to themselves by lying, cheating and deceiving. Who actually wants to be a liar, a manipulator, a betrayer? Who actively decides that’s what they’re going to be? Who feels good after the fact about being that kind of person? All of the things we feel after we did something wrong were shelved at the time of the wrongdoing. Do alcoholics know that the next drink is a bad idea? Do we know that eating unhealthy food is bad for us? Do people know the risk they take with drugs? The realm effect of regret and remorse kicks in after the behaviour, at the beginning of the behaviour it either does its job and stops it, or gets justified or denied or mentally shelved to enable the behaviour further. Real regret comes once a big dose of reality forces change, whatever the self destructive behaviour is. To continue doing stuff we know we shouldn’t involves lying to ourselves to push guilt away. It’s not as simple as saying it was a cynical act which didn’t bother the perpetrator. Sometimes it is, but usually it bothers everyone who isn’t a psychopath to a certain degree. The better you can fool yourself and compartmentalise, the more likely you are to carry on the behaviour. Sooner or later it will hit the buffers and reality will show you that you have been lying to yourself and you can’t avoid dealing with it and the issues leading to it any more.
OP it’s hard to tell the difference between genuine remorse and self pity, and the pity you feel for him is because you love him and he has fallen far from being the husband you knew and the man he ought to be.
Pity doesn’t have to translate into rug sweeping or forgiveness though. His actions will tell you whether this is remorse or self pity. Time and reflection will tell you whether or not you can or want to continue your marriage, there is no shame in either decision, that is a decision for you, you are the only one here who knows him, and knows him well enough to tell as time goes on.
One big caveat is that in the early days you are in shock and so are they. You still see him as he was and can’t believe he could do this, you are playing catch up with the train wreck his life has been and now is. Your shock and disbelief and pain leaves you reeling. Their shock can manifest as minimising what actually happened, further lies and trying to control the amount of damage and pain caused. Not all self-motivated, they’ve mentally shelved facing the kind of pain their actions will cause for so long that actually witnessing the reality of it and seeing the reality of your pain is appalling to them so they say anything to try to calm it down.
Be prepared to find out more, take what he says with a pinch of salt in the early days and take care of and prioritise yourself and your own self care. He’s got to sort himself out. It’s over to him now, the burden of proof of remorse is his.
Take care, I actually feel sorry for all of you, it’s a horrible, horrible thing to go through and usually for absolutely nothing as they nearly always want to stay in the end. X

ShandaLear · 10/11/2022 10:12

My ex cheated on me when we were engaged. I felt sorry for him and forgave him. We got married and had two kids, then the fuckwit went and did it again. He didn’t get a third chance. Twat.

Emotionalsupportviper · 10/11/2022 10:13

I would also be afraid not only that his behaviour might be repeated in the future, but that this isn't the first time he's been unfaithful - just the first time he's been caught.

Worriedpartner1234 · 10/11/2022 10:14

All liars and cheaters are manipulative. He’s weighed up the situation and it is in his interest to play the victim and get your sympathy.

He will do it again if he thinks he won’t get caught. Move on and get the life that you deserve. This is coming from someone who found their fiancée cheating on them and they did exactly the same.

Tigofigo · 10/11/2022 10:15

Milkand2sugarsplease · 09/11/2022 20:37

He's not sorry for doing it - if he was he a) wouldn't have done it or b) would have owned up to it without you having to find out from the OW.

He's sorry he got caught out and had no choice but to confess.

He's not accidentally slipped his penis inside her...
He's made a conscious choice to visit this woman for sex on several occasions knowing he's

-Married
-Shouldn't be doing it
-Putting you at risk of infection
-Rushing his family
-Risking his marriage

And presumably assuming that

-He won't be found out
Or
-You'll forgive him
-He'll be able to talk you around

On that basis - no way could I stick around. Trust is gone and without that there's nothing.

Yeah I'm with you on this.

If it was a one off drunken thing I could see his point a bit better. Not that that would be ok either.

But it's clearly happened in the clear light of day, repeatedly. For me, that's much worse. That's no rash one-off mistake. That's an affair.

Flutterbybudget · 10/11/2022 10:20

Thewookiemustgo · 10/11/2022 10:10

“Again, you are confusing feeling ashamed, embarrassed, guilty, fearful and regretful with being sorry, which means sadness for someone else’s pain.”

I’m not entirely sure about this. I think people who feel sorry do feel ashamed, embarrassed, guilty, fearful and regretful. This is the difficulty with the whole thing. There are cynical cheaters who just want to cover their own back and don’t care about the one they have wronged, then there are those who cheat who are horrified at the terrible thing they’ve done and wish they’d never done it. The former kind keeps quiet to protect themselves, the latter now have a dilemma: do I ease my conscience by devastating my family with the truth, or do I carry the burden of my guilt in silence and vow to do far better and be the best partner and parent I can be? Some people genuinely weigh up whether to carry the burden of their guilt silently to protect the innocent victims they’ve wronged, or whether to burden them with a truth that will devastate everyone. I’m not condoning either option (Id rather know the truth personally but not everyone would ) but I don’t think all cheats who keep their guilt a secret do so from self protection.
I’ve seen women post here on MN that they have had an affair and feel terrible because they love their husbands, they feel like a terrible person and will feel like shit carrying the burden for the rest of their lives. Vast majority of responses are usually along the lines of ‘don’t beat yourself up’ and ‘nobody’s perfect’ and ‘you’re only human’. Not many responses along the lines of ‘you’re just sorry you might get caught’ or ‘boo hoo you knew what you were doing’.
It’s bloody hard to tell the difference between someone feeling sorry for you or for themselves.
Not all cheats are cynical people just sorry they got caught. Some are, and shame on them. But not all. Of course he didn’t apologise to OP during the affair, he was having an affair! At the time of making atrocious personal choices, people feel guilt but for all sorts of reasons it doesn’t stop them. They are lying to everyone including themselves. Prisons would be empty and there would be no pain in this world if everyone was capable of acting on their consciences as soon as guilt hit.
Cheating isn’t a mistake, it’s a deliberate act, but the actual motive is rarely an act to deliberately hurt their partner, the hurt to their partner is a consequence and collateral damage to the damage an hurt the cheats are doing to themselves by lying, cheating and deceiving. Who actually wants to be a liar, a manipulator, a betrayer? Who actively decides that’s what they’re going to be? Who feels good after the fact about being that kind of person? All of the things we feel after we did something wrong were shelved at the time of the wrongdoing. Do alcoholics know that the next drink is a bad idea? Do we know that eating unhealthy food is bad for us? Do people know the risk they take with drugs? The realm effect of regret and remorse kicks in after the behaviour, at the beginning of the behaviour it either does its job and stops it, or gets justified or denied or mentally shelved to enable the behaviour further. Real regret comes once a big dose of reality forces change, whatever the self destructive behaviour is. To continue doing stuff we know we shouldn’t involves lying to ourselves to push guilt away. It’s not as simple as saying it was a cynical act which didn’t bother the perpetrator. Sometimes it is, but usually it bothers everyone who isn’t a psychopath to a certain degree. The better you can fool yourself and compartmentalise, the more likely you are to carry on the behaviour. Sooner or later it will hit the buffers and reality will show you that you have been lying to yourself and you can’t avoid dealing with it and the issues leading to it any more.
OP it’s hard to tell the difference between genuine remorse and self pity, and the pity you feel for him is because you love him and he has fallen far from being the husband you knew and the man he ought to be.
Pity doesn’t have to translate into rug sweeping or forgiveness though. His actions will tell you whether this is remorse or self pity. Time and reflection will tell you whether or not you can or want to continue your marriage, there is no shame in either decision, that is a decision for you, you are the only one here who knows him, and knows him well enough to tell as time goes on.
One big caveat is that in the early days you are in shock and so are they. You still see him as he was and can’t believe he could do this, you are playing catch up with the train wreck his life has been and now is. Your shock and disbelief and pain leaves you reeling. Their shock can manifest as minimising what actually happened, further lies and trying to control the amount of damage and pain caused. Not all self-motivated, they’ve mentally shelved facing the kind of pain their actions will cause for so long that actually witnessing the reality of it and seeing the reality of your pain is appalling to them so they say anything to try to calm it down.
Be prepared to find out more, take what he says with a pinch of salt in the early days and take care of and prioritise yourself and your own self care. He’s got to sort himself out. It’s over to him now, the burden of proof of remorse is his.
Take care, I actually feel sorry for all of you, it’s a horrible, horrible thing to go through and usually for absolutely nothing as they nearly always want to stay in the end. X

Well said

Honeycombcrunch · 10/11/2022 10:21

I agree that he’s been very manipulative by trying to get your sympathy. If I were you, I’d ask him to leave for a week so that you have some time to process what has happened. If he refuses to go, I’d say that confirms the fact he has no respect for you.

Don’t listen to the rubbish about an affair being a symptom of deeper issues in a marriage. An affair is usually a choice made by a selfish person who puts their own wants and needs before their partner and family.

@WhatFreshHell1 how do you think he’d react if the situation was reversed? Would he feel sorry for you if you cried after owning up to an affair?

CottonGoods · 10/11/2022 10:22

@WhatFreshHell1 I'm sorry you're going through this.

I can see it from the other side, as I had a history of cheating in the past.

In my experience, the one thing a cheat doesn't want is to be caught out. They want everything on their terms, including the revelation of said cheating. The worst thing for a cheat is having control taken away - that is terrifying, and panicky crying is part of this. It is very, very unlikely to be genuine remorse. If you were the genuinely remorseful type, you wouldn't cheat in the first place.

Puppers · 10/11/2022 10:23

Yeah my dad was ashamed/broken/couldn’t forgive himself/couldn’t believe what he’d done blah blah blah. Did an excellent sad face, complete with droopy shoulders and shuffle-y walk. Mum dutifully clicked into “nurture mode”, partly because she could then stay whilst saving face because he needed her. There was therapy. There was a cringe-worthy tour of the adult children to make apologies and assurances. Well, it was quite the transformation! As soon as he felt he was out of the woods and she was definitely not going to leave/kick him out, he was back to his usual arrogant self. Happy as a clam and the same old arsehole he always was.

I wouldn’t trust this version of him as far as you can chuck him, OP. I’d be making my assessment on how he’s been whilst his secret was still a secret. Was he in pieces and struggling to function when he’d shagged this woman but you didn’t know? Or was he actually just fine and able to live with that without any problems?

XmasElf10 · 10/11/2022 10:25

Not quite the same thing but when I asked my ex-H for a divorce he was devastated. I had plenty of good reasons based on his shitty behaviour and if he hadn't been such an arse we'd still be together. However it broke apart his world and left him feeling scared and alone and un-loved. The fact that I'd felt that way for years didn't stop me feeling sorry for doing the same to him and horrifically guilty. I still feel a bit guilty but I like with it and rationally I can clearly articulate that it was him and his selfish self-serving actions that inevtiably got us here.

I would imagine that you will eventually feel angry and certainly you must feel very hurt but it doesn't make it easier to see him so unhappy even if HE is 100% responsible for his own misery.. all he had to do was keep his dick in his pants!

PlainJaneSuperBrain99 · 10/11/2022 10:25

No pity here at all. Ill echo what others have said: he feels bad that you caught him. That is all.

Gummibär · 10/11/2022 10:25

Of course he didn’t apologise to OP during the affair, he was having an affair!

But had he truly felt remorseful, he could have ended the affair! He chose not to.