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Where is ChopinandChampagne? LB update?

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gianfrancogorgonzola · 07/11/2022 12:34

Really hope you see this C&C, I was following your other threads (name change a lot) and wanted to check in to see how you are.

🙏🏼

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Luckynumbereight · 07/11/2022 16:50

Bump

CuriousCatfish · 07/11/2022 16:55

Maybe PM her?

Cloudz · 07/11/2022 17:08

This is creepy.

strawberry2017 · 10/11/2022 12:22

Cloudz · 07/11/2022 17:08

This is creepy.

If you had followed her previous posts you would understand why the poster is wondering how she was. Not creepy just concern.

legofrostqueen · 19/11/2022 22:47

I was thinking about her the other day too, hope the situation has improved

ToffeeNotCoffee · 19/11/2022 23:07

The phrase Lobster Boy popped into my head the other day. Then this thread appeared.....

Yes, I too was wondering how she is coping with life after her husband passed away.

Has does she see her grandchildren.

billy1966 · 19/11/2022 23:09

strawberry2017 · 10/11/2022 12:22

If you had followed her previous posts you would understand why the poster is wondering how she was. Not creepy just concern.

Nothing creepy about it.

A lovely OP who had the most upsetting of issues with her daughter and awful SIL.

Her daughter wasn't great either.

PeekabooAtTheZoo · 19/11/2022 23:11

Another one hoping you're ok Chopin&Champagne. Flowers
I've probably NC'd since your last thread, but still wishing you well.

FrenchBoule · 20/11/2022 00:08

I hope she’s ok. She’s been treated appalingly by LB and her DD1. I was thinking about her recentlywondering how things were.

ChopinanChampagne · 20/11/2022 09:53

I have just come across this thread, thanks to a PM from a lovely MN'er. I am so touched and overwhelmed that people should remember me after so long and even start a thread about it!

I am pleased to say that my relationship with DD1 is generally good at present and I recently visited her and the family, when I spent a delightful time with her and the DGC. DGS even crawled towards me and clambered all over me, although he doesn't really know me and doesn't like strangers. DD1 and LB were astonished, but put it down to the fact that he had seen me on FaceTime. The DGDs were adorable and I spent a lot of time playing with them. DGD1, who is now 4, said to me, several times, that she loves me. DGD2 was very keen to sit on my lap for me to read stories to her. They were both very excited to see me.

With regard to DD1, she was also delighted to see me, and we spent most of one of the days together (I was there for two and a half days but stayed in a B and B in the nearest town, about half an hour away). We went out for a walk around the town and had coffee and cake in a delightful coffee shop. That evening we went for dinner together at a wonderful restaurant where the food was Asian/Irish fusion, which sounds a bit strange, but was amazing. DGS, who is now 10 months, came in the morning, but in the evening it was just me and DD1. The morning trip was unscheduled - I was meant to be going to theirs - so I am not sure whether LB had had enough of me after the two previous days, but at least he looked after the DGC, which gave me precious time with DD1.

I was grateful to spend the time with the family but, given the history, I am mindful that I need to be careful. I have no doubt that I was there because LB permitted it, and that he will only continue to permit it, so long as I keep in line, and am generally non intrusive or threatening. I also fear that he may be playing me off slightly against his DP, with whom they have now fallen out. Apparently their visit was postponed and LB sent an email to them, setting out their grievances. I remember when we received a similar email and just how upsetting it was, and my heart goes out to his DP who, so far as I can see, have only ever been a source of love and support for them. They were very upset when LB and DD1 moved away, with the DGDs, with whom they had forged a very close bond.

This post is getting very long, so I will start another one, so that nobody needs to read more than they need to, save to know that I am still grieving for my DH, but that my relationship with DD1 is improving and that I am generally surviving!

ToffeeNotCoffee · 20/11/2022 10:16

Great update, thanks.

Glad you are developing a relationship with your grandchildren and also get quality time with your daughter.

If toeing the line and walking on eggshells trying not to break any is what it takes, well, sorry and all that but there it is.

No doubt your relationship with your grandchildren and you daughter is paramount. I have a relative that I've long since learned to be pragmatic with.

LB has fallen out with is parents and e-mailed them a long list of his grievances. Who knew ?

ChopinandChampagne · 20/11/2022 10:33

Continuing the update, the day I spent with DD1 was the 2nd anniversary of DH's death, and she was keen that we spend it together (DD2 and DD3 were fine with this. We have had many hours together to remember DH whereas DD1 has not). She clearly loved him very much and misses him dreadfully. I would say that she also has a lot of guilt around how she treated him, although she did not articulate it in those terms. She said to me several times that she feels bad because her new life in Ireland, and the purchase of the property, have come as a result of his death. I said that he would have wanted her to be happy.

I took DH's recipes to her, basically ones from newspapers and magazines and the internet, but with his amendments and comments. He was a brilliant cook and DD1 is too, as was her DGM, and she was really thrilled to have his recipes. I also took over some of his shirts, so that she could make some memory bears, and gave her one of his jumpers, which I was wearing. Also, a suitcase full of various provisions which she cannot buy over there, mainly vitamins and creams, but also certain foodstuffs and chocolate, and some toys and clothes for the DGC, which she was pleased with.

We had various long chats and she seemed different somehow, more mature. She said that she has now realised that she can't blame other people for her life etc, but must take responsibility for herself, that it has taken a long time, but that she has learnt this and feels much happier for having done so. She has tried to reach out to her previous close friends, but they have not responded, although they did send messages of condolence when DH died. She seemed sad about this and felt that she had tried, but can do no more. I think that she is beginning to realise what she threw away. She had a tight knit circle of close friends from school, whom she just cut off, at LB's behest, just like she did her family. They would have been immensely hurt by this and I can't see the friendships being repaired now, which is sad.

She has also tried to contact DD3, who has not responded. She said that she can't forgive DD2 for not wanting her to come into the house when we were driving back after visiting DH in hospital. I didn't engage in any discussion, although I listened. I just said that they were all now adults, that I was not going to be involved and that it was up to them to have a relationship or not, that I would be sorry if they didn't, that I was happy to facilitate, but not to interfere. When it was DGD's birthday in the summer, DD1 asked if I knew whether her sisters had sent a present and I said that I didn't know, that I was away.

DD1 was open with me and seemed so happy to see me. I think I am the only person she talks to, outside the family, apart from the next door neighbours, especially now that her PIL are no longer nearby and a chasm has opened up between them. I have learnt, from bitter experience, that the way forward is to listen and to hold my counsel, as it is very easy to upset the , LB in particular.

Having said that DD1 was open with me, however, it was LB who informed me, when he kindly picked me up from the airport, that the DGC are all going to be baptised into the RC faith next week. LB spoke about their Christian faith, which was news to me, although they did ask me to say grace last time I was there, and they said grace when we had lunch together. DD1 has never shown much interest in religion (she was baptised into the C of E), save for a short spell as a Buddhist, and when I had previously asked about whether DGD1 and then DGD2 would be baptised, she had dismissed the idea.

I said to LB that I would very much like to attend the service, but that I wouldn't want them to entertain me or to impose, that I would just stay in a hotel, attend the service and then go home. He said that it was a private occasion, just with the neighbours, so I didn't say anything further. I raised it with DD1 in a casual way, when we were at coffee, and she confirmed it, but there was no mention of my attending the service and I didn't ask. I had no doubt that a conversation had already taken place and, like the marriage, no family would be welcome. LB said that his parents had no understanding of their faith.

MrsPerfect12 · 20/11/2022 11:54

Oh @ChopinanChampagne you're doing the best you can. Did they move into the derelict house in the end?

SirMingeALot · 20/11/2022 12:52

That sounds like some positive developments at least.

Billybagpuss · 20/11/2022 13:03

Just want to pop on and say hi @ChopinandChampagne pleased you have reached an even keel with them at last, or for the time being, and congratulations on dgs I think that may have been on your last post filling up the last thread.

it’s interesting she’s tried to reconnect with friends, maybe just the beginning of the processing everything process.

gianfrancogorgonzola · 20/11/2022 13:07

hello!! thank you SO much for taking the time to update, I am very pleased to read you have had some quality time spent with your DD1 and her children and that they were clearly so happy to spend time with you too.

LB is just a complete cad isn't he. I think keeping comms open with your DD is so crucial and you are doing a sterling job at doing so. At some point she'll come to the realisation herself and until then, however hard it is, you need to stay in touch and have a lot of faith.

big hugs to you x

(and to the PP 'creepy' comment - ODFOD)

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PeekabooAtTheZoo · 20/11/2022 13:45

Sounds like she’s starting to come out of the other side of it all at least. Glad you’re being let in a bit more. 💐

Billybagpuss · 20/11/2022 14:25

Also interesting that your updates contain no mention of ‘cash’ which always seemed to be a driving factor for lb and aside from the mentioned birthday gift, which I’m assuming they didn’t send for very valid reasons, it seems to be a genuine lovely time with no grabby ulterior motive.

billy1966 · 20/11/2022 15:40

Delighted to hear you are well and things are relatively calm.

I think you are very wise to refuse to intervene in her relationship with her sisters.

She has behaved appallingly for a long time and they are adults that have every right to not wish to engage with her further.

She strikes me as a very self absorbed young woman, who was very arrogant in her dismissal of long term friendships, all because of a new partner, and should not be surprised at all that for her friends there is no wish for re engagement with her.

I think you are very wise to keep a very protective distance from her.
I recall a very casual cruelty to her behaviour and his parents are now the victims of it too.

His refusal for you to attend the religious service which will include recent neighbours is more of the same.

Perhaps she is coming to some small realisations that it is not just her and LB who can cut people off.

I hope you continue to protect yourself very carefully and enjoy your other daughters company.

By keeping your life full of others and not making an moves to impose is no doubt your best strategy.

Sadly I would suspect LB has one eye on your daughters inheritance through all this.

I think a trust for your grandchildren to inherit at age 25 would be something to consider with one of your other daughters as executor of it.

I certainly wouldn't want him being a beneficiary of my financial legacy.

No doubt you have it well thought out.

I recall some issue about a french holiday home that you were tussling with.
Did you resolve that?

RandomMess · 20/11/2022 15:48

So glad you got to visit and it went as well as it could under the LB restrictions.

Flowers
Indignation · 22/11/2022 18:26

How wonderful to hear your update @ChopinandChampagne.

It seems that the tension has eased and your relationship with your DD is more settled and the DGCs sound delightful. She sounds like a devoted and wonderful mother despite what I would imagine are challenging circumstances (emotionally and physically) - and I suspect she gets her resilience and maternal drive from her cherished upbringing.

I wonder if the heat being off you is because it’s now on his DPs? Often characters like him are tunnel visioned in their targeting of blame.

I find the RC conversion thing quite bizarre and hope that it doesn’t mean him pushing for more and more DCs.

It seems she in a good place right now though - and I hope that you are taking care of yourself and taking comfort in your other daughters as you navigate the loss of your DH.

Georgieporgie29 · 22/11/2022 18:58

Oh I was only thinking of you the other day. I’m so glad that you are having some kind of relationship with your daughter and grandchildren

ChopinandChampagne · 23/11/2022 05:38

Thank you so much for your replies to my latest posts. My friends here on MN - and I do think of you as friends - kept me going during one of the darkest periods of my life.

I am , of course, delighted to have seen my DD and DGC, and I am scheduled to visit again immediately before Christmas. In fact, the last trip was a bit last minute. A few months earlier, LB had been on a course on how to artificially inseminate cows, manually (which apparently causes great discomfort to the cow), and was away for a week. I offered to stay with DD1 in order to keep her company and help out, but also because I did not want her to be alone and isolated. She was very keen on the idea, but I knew that LB was likely to block it, which he did. I received a WhatsApp message the next day saying that she couldn't 'entertain' me, because of her 'responsibilities' on the smallholding. I said that's fine, I understand, and left it at that, disappointed but not surprised.

In the event, the week turned out to be gruelling for her, as one of the cows was seriously ill and would have died if the neighbours had not come to her rescue. She was very stressed by the whole situation. It was not the first time that LB had left her alone, as he had gone off with his parents for five days, earlier in the year, to attend a family funeral. So when LB was proposing to go off again, for the third time, in order to visit his DGP in England, for the purpose of picking up their car (offered to him as they don't drive much these days), DD asked me if I would stay, which of course I said I would. The original plan was that LB's DP would drive to Ireland, using the ferry, and pick him up and drive him to the Midlands for him to collect the car, which he would then drive back. He was going to take the DGDs for one last visit, as a thank you for the car.

However, his DP did not go, DD1 said because FIL waiting for a date for surgery. They had also just moved house and were in rented accommodation whilst waiting to complete on a new house, so had a lot going on, but it seems there was more to it than that. Anyway, DD1 was obviously keen to see me, so asked me if I would go anyway, which I did, but LB was there instead of my having a few days with DD1 and the DGC. In fact, LB went to pick up the free car last weekend, but did not take the DGDs, and was there and back in a very short space of time, so I doubt if he did much more than have a cup of tea with his DGPs (the ones who gave him a substantial sum of money to buy his first house).

LB is also going away again, to his sister's wedding in England next Spring, but DD1 will be left with her 'responsibilities' on the small holding. His sister wanted the DGDS to be flower girls, but LB told me, when he was driving me from the airport, that his sister had no understanding of their responsibilities. She is a full time teacher and DD1 says that she is a lovely person, very close to the DP, who have now sold up and moved to be nearer to her and to FIL's parents, who are old and frail. Apparently, LB's sister will not hear anything bad said about her DP, and sounds like a loving and loyal daughter.

I have the impression that there is some sibling rivalry going on, with LB feeling that his sister is the favourite, and I think that this has probably made him resentful and that he is using withdrawal of the DGC to punish his parents. DD told me that she and LB feel that his DP visit only to see the DGD and take no notice of them; also that they spoil and overstimulate the DGC with too much attention and too many gifts, to the extent where the DGC's routine and sleeping patterns are affected. They also resent the extra work involved in catering for them ie making meals or cups of tea (the DP don't stay in the house but come in their camper van) although, from what I can gather, DD1 does all of the extra work and LB doesn't even make them a cup of tea.

Of more concern is the fact that LB's DPs apparently think that he is too harsh with the DGC and leave the room when he 'disciplines' them, as they become upset by it, and DD says that it creates an atmosphere. She feels that it is undermining LB's authority and that they just want the DGC to be well behaved, but that DGD1 is very bright and is already picking up the signals from LB's DP. She doesn't think that LB's DP give him enough praise or credit for things.

I don't think that LB hits the DGC and I am sure that DD1 would not tolerate any ill treatment of them. I didn't observe any ill treatment, although he did speak sharply to the DGDs a few times. He just stayed outside, working on one of the outbuildings, whilst I was there, apart from coming in for his meals, so I didn't have much of an opportunity to observe their interaction. However, DD1 does everything for the DGC and they have a very close bond, whereas I didn't observe LB doing anything. I doubt he has ever changed a nappy in his life, and DD1 does all of the cooking and cleaning. DGS is very clingy to her. I see problems further down the line, when the DGC begin to develop their own ideas but, in the meantime, I propose to be a presence and support for my DD in the background, someone she can talk to if needed, and I think that this is already starting to happen. Softly, softly, is the way to go.

And I am very happy say that the cows put up a valiant defence, that neither were inseminated, and that LB had quite an uncomfortable few hours - in fact, many hours apparently! 🤣

Billybagpuss · 23/11/2022 06:17

that last paragraph has brightened my morning 😊

EarringsandLipstick · 23/11/2022 06:43

So delighted to hear this update Chopin you are a poster I think of often & read all your threads.

You write so clearly & beautifully (sadly about difficult matters)

Well done for keeping going, and finding a way to maintain your relationship with DD 💐

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