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Where is ChopinandChampagne? LB update?

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gianfrancogorgonzola · 07/11/2022 12:34

Really hope you see this C&C, I was following your other threads (name change a lot) and wanted to check in to see how you are.

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ChopinandChampagne · 06/12/2022 04:53

My apologies for not replying for a while but I have been away, and had very limited internet connection.

I booked a trip to Egypt at the last minute, as I just felt like getting away from Christmas and generally, and there was no single supplement which made it quite a good deal. It was a wonderful experience and I almost feel like I was meant to go. I began packing my suitcase on the Saturday and, when I resumed on the Sunday, I found a necklace on top of my clothes, bought for me by DH, which I had been looking for to take with me, but which had been missing for a while. So I like to think that I had his blessing to go and that he was somehow with me.

The other single traveller was a woman the same age as me, also a widow, who also lost her DH to cancer, six weeks before I did. We had masses in common apart from that, but it was so good to talk to someone who understands, and she felt the same. We will definitely keep in touch. There was also a couple, again similar in age, who grew up in my home town - the husband actually went to the boys' school next door to mine - so there was lots to reminisce about, people and places etc. In addition, the ship was built by a company from the same place....Again, a wonderful connection and I have made arrangements to go and stay with them early next year. The rest of the group were also lovely.

My challenge since I came properly out of lockdown, last April, has been to meet new people, have new experiences, as it challenges me to try to grow as a person. Otherwise, it is all too easy to fall into an abyss of despair, and it can be very hard to climb out. Often, when I am away, I feel respite from the everyday life - with all of its haunting memories and sadness - but then, paradoxically, I also long for the comfort of the familiar, its places, people and routines. This time, maybe because I am making progress, or maybe because I was surrounded by such lovely people, I mostly felt positive, with moments of real tranquillity bordering on joy. So, all in all, it was a success, but I try not to become complacent, as that is when the grief monster often strikes one of its deadly blows.

I also find it easier to have clarity of thought when I am in strange or 'neutral' surroundings. And, of course, I thought about DD and LB, but less than I used to or, at least, my thoughts are less penetrating or painful. The thing is, when DH died, I was numb for a while, I couldn't feel at all - a common reaction in the early stages; it is Nature's way of protecting us; the mind and the body can only cope with so much. Then, when the feelings come back, they engulf you - it was as though somebody had ripped out my entrails, thrown them into the road, and stamped all over them in hob nailed boots. I felt that I was down to being 20% of myself, that the other 80% was buried with DH. So it takes time and pain to begin to heal and grow back to being a functional entity.

I am saying this - to myself as much as to anyone else (it is self indulgent but cathartic), just to get things into perspective. You know, those who read some of my earlier posts, before I lost DH, just how painful I found DD1's treatment of me and DH and her sisters. It was all encompassing and the support I received here on MN was amazing and really helped me through. Sometimes, you can just drown in a problem, keep playing scenes in your head, on repeat, until you feel you are going mad. You might try to rewrite the script, but you can't, you are stuck as a player in a story where you don't know the ending, or even what is in the next chapter. You feel like an extra, a bit player, whose contract may not be renewed.

And so I am trying to write a new script for myself, to try to craft a new life which has some meaning, although it's not the one I would have chosen. And it also means rebuilding old relationships, because no relationship will ever be the same as it was before, even with my DC, as I am not the same person. The young get stronger as the above generations become weaker; it is the natural order, but I never want to be a burden on them. I want to be a support to my DDs and DGC, when and if needed.

So, with DD1, I am there for her. She is my child and the child of my DH, part of both of us, as are my DGC. But within those bonds, which will always bind me, I do not say that I don't have scars from the past, because I do, and I always will, but the past is not something I can change. So I am just trying to soldier on and make the best of the situation as it is. I just don't have the emotional resources for it to matter as much and maybe that is a good thing. Sometimes, it appals me how apathetic I feel about the whole situation. DD1 texted me last night to check I was back safely and to say that she would call me today but, to be honest, I am regarding the call as a bit of a chore. I don't feel like telling her about my trip, I haven't got the energy for it. That's bad, isn't it?

ChopinandChampagne · 06/12/2022 05:20

EarringsandLipstick - thank you for your posts on 28/11. Sadly, I think that the rift between DD1 and her sisters has gone on for so long that I doubt there will ever really be a reconciliation. All families have arguments, but it is the making up which is important. It is LB's calculated cruelty and control which I find so abhorrent, even towards his own DP and DGP. He is the most calculating and least spontaneous person I have ever met.

I do not believe change will come in the near or foreseeable future. I think it will come when the DGC grow and develop their personalities and desire for independence. Then there will be turbulence and LB will run out of people to blame, as the only people left are them and the neighbours, now that the other DGP are being frozen out. I think, having witnessed LB's attitude towards them, and his willingness to withdraw the DGC, it has put me on my guard even more, as I realise that I am only one remark away from oblivion.

I know it would hurt DD1 to be separated from me again but she is not at the stage where she would stand up to him, perhaps she never will be, but it is a decision she must make for herself. Any form of perceived interference would backfire spectacularly. Any message I send to DD is read by LB, any remark I make is repeated to LB. Being there really gives me the same vibes as when I first read '1984', not only action control, but also thought control.

Actually, writing this has made me realise how little I am looking forward to my visit before Christmas. I have left it to DD to book a suitable restaurant for the meal - that way I can't be blamed when LB finds fault, which he will. I just wish that DH was with me, that I didn't have to go alone.

ChopinandChampagne · 06/12/2022 05:48

The other possibility is that they might actually get fed up with the rural Irish life time. Based on previous experience, they have stayed somewhere for approximately three years, initially raved over the place, then gradually become disenchanted, to the extent that they want to leave.

At present, they are still in the 'honeymoon period', and this is their first real winter (last year they were back in England for a few months for the birth of DGC3, where they had heating and the support of LB's DP). So they have been there about 12 months in total and there is still an element of adventure, deciding which buildings to renovate, researching what animals and machinery/tools to buy (LB has bought himself a quad bike) etc.

However, I sense that the initial enthusiasm may already be starting to wane a little. DD has started to complain about the cold and the rain, especially when she has to go out into the fields to check whether the cows are 'on heat' (after LB's failure to artificially inseminate them), late in the evening, when it is dark and the DC have gone to bed. The free range chickens understandably lay their eggs where they want to, so often can't be found, one of the dogs has eaten two of them, so the poor thing spends most of her life shut in a cage with the other two dogs, or has to wear a muzzle. Two of the cows were grumpy so have been disposed of (although I believe they had a reprieve from the abattoir in the end and were simply sold on) etc. DD1 used to speak of producing her own cheeses and selling them on the local market, but she hasn't mentioned this for a while.

When I think about it, there has always been another project, a property to renovate, a course to attend, a baby on the way. If anything, the conversion and baptism seemed to be the latest project, and I will be surprised if they are still attending mass this time next year, although obviously happy to be proved wrong. But I do not believe that it will be so easy to move for a fourth time and, if they did, where would they move to?

RandomMess · 06/12/2022 07:49
Flowers

Grief is life changing as well as the physical change of being alone.

I'm not surprised speaking to DD1 feels chore like. It is anything but free and easy, sharing and caring. There is nothing wrong in texting her to say you aren't up to it today. Reminds her that you have a life and needs too.

Big hugs, I'm glad the holiday was such a positive experience in the midst of your on going sadness x

tribpot · 06/12/2022 08:02

The Egypt trip sounds fantastic, what an amazing experience. I hope you'll plan in something like that for 2023 as well?

writing this has made me realise how little I am looking forward to my visit before Christmas
Entirely understandable. These aren't visits that can possibly be enjoyed. How long are you going over for? I would keep it as short as possible. The main purpose is to remind DD that there is a way out, and I guess also to ensure someone has seen the DGC to make sure they are okay.

DD1 texted me last night to check I was back safely and to say that she would call me today but, to be honest, I am regarding the call as a bit of a chore. I don't feel like telling her about my trip, I haven't got the energy for it. That's bad, isn't it?
Not at all. I think you are recognising how draining contact with her is. My feeling is that phone call will be 5% about your holiday and 95% subtle (or not) requests for more money. I don't think I would have told her about the holiday, as LB will only use this as a reason why you can afford to give them more, if you can afford trips like that.

I'm sure they will tire of life in rural Ireland, I remember at the time MNers with knowledge of the area warned how difficult they would find farming there.

legofrostqueen · 06/12/2022 21:51

The holiday sounds great OP, & well done for being open to meeting people Flowers

The problem with the call & the trip is that you are constantly walking on eggshells & trying to anticipate how things might go, so you can never relax and enjoy the moment. Would DD2 or perhaps another relative accompany you on the trip to Ireland. Of course it wouldn't be the same as going with your wonderful DH, but it's nice to have a companion & it might dilute the experience a bit?

ChopinandChampagne · 08/12/2022 15:07

Thanks for your comments. I don't think I will be going to Ireland now. Just had a huge row with DD1, too upset to post more, but I think it is the end, sadly. 😥

Billybagpuss · 08/12/2022 15:12

ChopinandChampagne · 08/12/2022 15:07

Thanks for your comments. I don't think I will be going to Ireland now. Just had a huge row with DD1, too upset to post more, but I think it is the end, sadly. 😥

Oh no I’m so sorry.

just know that you’ve done more than anyone could possibly have expected in the circumstances and If you in anyway said something that could be deemed to have been out of line there is only so much walking on eggshells anyone can cope with 💐💐💐

RandomMess · 08/12/2022 15:17

Oh massive massive hugs, you have done EVERYTHING you can to restore and keep a relationship with DD1 but you can reason with someone who is so unreasonable and selfish.

I hope you are ok and drawing on real life support.

Flowers
gianfrancogorgonzola · 08/12/2022 15:22

Oh no, so sorry to read this. Sending you a lot of love and strength. X

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PuggyMum · 08/12/2022 15:25

Oh Chopin, I'm sure it won't be the end. Sending you so much love.

billy1966 · 08/12/2022 15:28

I am so sorry to read this.

Very upsetting for you of course but I think you have been amazing to have been able to navigate such a difficult relationship for so long, as your list of "rules" attests to.

You have gone beyond what many, many parents would have done faced with such awful behaviour.

I really hope you have real life support.
You so deserve it.

I will add you to my prayers.

legofrostqueen · 08/12/2022 15:28

So sorry @ChopinandChampagne sending love & strength too. Whatever has been said, there's always a way back...but it might take time.

Mycatsgoldtooth · 08/12/2022 16:10

I am so sorry to hear this. You’ve been so patient and walked over egg shells and fire to be there for her.

Escapingafter50years · 08/12/2022 16:13

Oh dear @ChopinanChampagne I'm so very sorry to read this. You have been through so much and have stayed so dignified and caring in the face of awful treatment. It seems to me you have done all you can and perhaps it's time to look after you? Keep your trusted family and friends around you and allow them to support you at this very stressful time.

Feministwoman · 08/12/2022 16:42

I'm so sorry 😢

ChopinandChampagne · 08/12/2022 17:52

My fault. I broke the rules. I bought gold keys of life for the GDC in Egypt as baptism presents - an early cross, a spiritual symbol, but not specifically Christian. I told DD in a message from on holiday and she was delighted.

Today she called and said it was very awkward but they didn't want them as they were not Christian and therefore not appropriate. I know that I overreacted, got very upset, said too much. She has sent me angry messages, to which I have not replied. I think I felt that not only was I rejected from the baptism but my gifts were too.

ChopinandChampagne · 08/12/2022 17:55

I said that they didn't have to be baptism presents, they could just be general gifts, that I could keep them until they are older.

ChopinandChampagne · 08/12/2022 18:01

She said 'You are upset about being 'excluded' from a baptism when the faith clearly holds no importance to you. It is more than just a 'spirituality thing' to us.'

I had said that I told LB I wanted to attend, to which she replied it was a 'private' affair not a celebration/party. I told her that I had said to LB that I just wanted to go to the ceremony and then happy to leave, no need to go out, entertain me, or do anything at all. I would just have liked to attend, as it was an important event.

FerretInAFrock · 08/12/2022 18:20

…but of course anything you said you wanted would be wrong in LB’s eyes.

Your DD1 must be worn out by coping with his psychological demands, looking after 3 young children and all while trying to be a subsistence farmer’s wife living next to a bog. She is just as caged as their poor dog. What a miserable life.

RandomMess · 08/12/2022 18:25

It's so ironic that the bible is clear that is should be a PUBLIC declaration of faith.

Big hugs x

billy1966 · 08/12/2022 19:00

Oh OP, I really think you cannot do right for doing wrong, despite your Herculean efforts.

LB will always find an issue.

You didn't get upset at the slight of the baptism so he has to manufacture one.

I really hope you take some space.

I cannot believe being in contact with them does your heart or soul any good.

They constantly need to be hurting someone and now his parents are out of the picture, so you are his sole focus to find fault with.

Please back away and protect yourself.

I can so understand how your other daughters want nothing further to do with her.
She IS a party to awful treatment of their parents and even worse, their grieving mother.

RandomMess · 08/12/2022 19:05

They don't need your money, they don't want your care or love.

Step away let her come to you if she's ever ready.

You have witnessed how vile they have been to LB parents, they have a desperate need to be at war with the world as the us against them is the only thing their relationship is built on.

I hope it isn't too late to return the cow.

PearPickingPorky · 08/12/2022 19:08

Oh Chopin, I was so pleased to find your thread today - I think about you a lot! - and now so sad to see your last almost-inevitable post.

These rules are designed to torture you, they're impossible for anyone but a robot to stay within. This won't be the end.

HumourReplacementTherapy · 08/12/2022 19:30

Well he'll be chuffed to bits now he knows you're upset.

That's what it's all about. Wouldn't put it past him for the whole thing to be deliberately orchestrated so you can be excluded.

Watch out for the next one.
Re the crosses..... Punishment for going on holiday and not giving them your cash instead.

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