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Where is ChopinandChampagne? LB update?

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gianfrancogorgonzola · 07/11/2022 12:34

Really hope you see this C&C, I was following your other threads (name change a lot) and wanted to check in to see how you are.

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billy1966 · 24/11/2022 17:39

I agree with @Doornish and the last two posters.

Unfortunately the expression "pay per view" is really rather apt.

They appear to be extracting hefty sums from you on a regular basis.

You are clearly a deeply kind parent, as was your husband, but I do think being too ready to sweep in, is a mistake.

Without wanting to upset you, the neighbours only at the christening is reminiscent of the awful dig of positive people around their first child, designed to hurt and wound you.

Your daughter is very much party to that.

Her lists of gifts is all very well but it is so grabby and controlling too.

I think by being so supportive financially and physically at the drop of a hat, it lends an air of approval to this.

I think more of a detached, distant vibe of, I am always here for you, but I am getting on with my life and will let you get on with yours too, might be wiser.

LB has far too much power over you all and your acquiescence and gifting too much, is giving her situation far too much tacit approval IMO.

She wounded her father deeply, knowingly, she is party to it again with the christening.

Don't allow them the power to do the same to you.

You, like your wonderful late husband, deserve so much better than this.

Anyway, it is all just food for thought as you navigate it as best you can.

SirMingeALot · 24/11/2022 17:43

There isn't a chance in hell I'd be giving them cash for that cow.

JudyGemstone · 24/11/2022 19:55

I also remember your past threads, glad to hear things are a bit better

Do you really give things like gold for birthday presents as standard? Why would LB assume you were offering anything other than a generic birthday gift like a book or pair of slippers or whatever?

BornBlonde · 24/11/2022 20:14

ChopinanChampagne · 20/11/2022 09:53

I have just come across this thread, thanks to a PM from a lovely MN'er. I am so touched and overwhelmed that people should remember me after so long and even start a thread about it!

I am pleased to say that my relationship with DD1 is generally good at present and I recently visited her and the family, when I spent a delightful time with her and the DGC. DGS even crawled towards me and clambered all over me, although he doesn't really know me and doesn't like strangers. DD1 and LB were astonished, but put it down to the fact that he had seen me on FaceTime. The DGDs were adorable and I spent a lot of time playing with them. DGD1, who is now 4, said to me, several times, that she loves me. DGD2 was very keen to sit on my lap for me to read stories to her. They were both very excited to see me.

With regard to DD1, she was also delighted to see me, and we spent most of one of the days together (I was there for two and a half days but stayed in a B and B in the nearest town, about half an hour away). We went out for a walk around the town and had coffee and cake in a delightful coffee shop. That evening we went for dinner together at a wonderful restaurant where the food was Asian/Irish fusion, which sounds a bit strange, but was amazing. DGS, who is now 10 months, came in the morning, but in the evening it was just me and DD1. The morning trip was unscheduled - I was meant to be going to theirs - so I am not sure whether LB had had enough of me after the two previous days, but at least he looked after the DGC, which gave me precious time with DD1.

I was grateful to spend the time with the family but, given the history, I am mindful that I need to be careful. I have no doubt that I was there because LB permitted it, and that he will only continue to permit it, so long as I keep in line, and am generally non intrusive or threatening. I also fear that he may be playing me off slightly against his DP, with whom they have now fallen out. Apparently their visit was postponed and LB sent an email to them, setting out their grievances. I remember when we received a similar email and just how upsetting it was, and my heart goes out to his DP who, so far as I can see, have only ever been a source of love and support for them. They were very upset when LB and DD1 moved away, with the DGDs, with whom they had forged a very close bond.

This post is getting very long, so I will start another one, so that nobody needs to read more than they need to, save to know that I am still grieving for my DH, but that my relationship with DD1 is improving and that I am generally surviving!

@ChopinanChampagne I am so pleased to read your update. I remember your threads Flowers

SirMingeALot · 24/11/2022 20:16

JudyGemstone · 24/11/2022 19:55

I also remember your past threads, glad to hear things are a bit better

Do you really give things like gold for birthday presents as standard? Why would LB assume you were offering anything other than a generic birthday gift like a book or pair of slippers or whatever?

Because he thinks he's entitled to OPs money.

Scandiscrepancy · 24/11/2022 20:35

I am so glad you have been able to spend some time with your DD and DGC recently. I have read your threads from the start and I still strongly believe that your DD is in a very controlling relationship with a mentally unstable man. I do understand that some posters want to hold your DD accountable because it is hard to comprehend how an intelligent person can be so deeply manipulated. However, your DD has uprooted her life, irreparably damaged her relationships with friends and family and had three children in the course of her relationship with LB. She has invested so much and has little to return to should she change her mind. You are her lifeline.

OldFan · 24/11/2022 22:08

@ChopinanChampagne Great to hear an update. I joined MN in time to read your thread about not knowing about your DGC's birth for some time.

Some promising stuff in your update with your DD seeming to be warmer towards you. 🌻Praying that the situation continues to improve. x

legofrostqueen · 24/11/2022 22:20

This is still so difficult to read, I really feel for you. I'm so incensed on your behalf about the comment about the baptism. It's lovely that you're seeing more of DD1 & your DGCs but the list of rules is savage & the concerns of LB's parents about the discipline are worrying.

Did you get to meet the neighbours? I wonder what they make of the situation. I hope they are looking out for DD & your DGCs Flowers

marvellousmaple · 24/11/2022 23:35

Just wanted to let you know ( as one mum of a child with a partner who is horrendous to another ) I feel your pain. Well done you. You are doing well. I actually moved to get away from this partner and they have never been to my new house. It's like a weight comes off your shoulders. I support my DC as much as I can - financially, with love etc but they know that their partner will never be welcome in my home. Way too much shit to forgive. Hang in there. I am and hoping one day that my DC will wake up to themselves and value themselves but sadly it hasn't happened in almost 10 years. When they are away from their DP they are a different person. So happy and relaxed. This partner also threatens to kill themselves if my DC leaves them. Ashamed to say I would be very happy if they did.

Apollonia1 · 25/11/2022 00:10

Another who has supported your threads from the start. Thanks for the updates - you write so amazingly eloquently. Your daughters are lucky to have you.

Suzysuz · 25/11/2022 17:00

I followed your last threads @ChopinandChampagne whilst it's hard to read the conditions you're having to stay very strictly within, it's good to read the positive steps like even being able to see your grandchildren now.
I hope DD2 and DD3 are both doing okay too ❤️❤️

MissMarpleRocks · 25/11/2022 17:31

Chopin I’m pleased to read your updates. I too have NC.

Your sil still sounds like a piece of work. Please be careful in giving them too much money as you have your own future & other dds to think about. I’d also ringfence any inheritance but wouldn’t tell them.

He sounds like my best friend’s husband. A shit excuse for a human being. Now almost 40 years later she’s finally started to see the light.

I think there was another poster at a similar time to you about her dd & her boyfriend. He moved her dd away from them also to the north of England. Maybe I’m mixed up & it was you.

ChopinandChampagne · 26/11/2022 13:48

I just want to say thank you so much for all of your posts and, as ever, you have given me a lot to think about.

It was DD3's birthday yesterday so I wasn't feeling able to post, as my focus was on her. But the old grey cells are cogitating and churning, and I will respond soon.

In the meantime, I hope everyone is having a good weekend!

Doornish · 27/11/2022 20:38

Lovely to hear you are having a lovely celebrations with DD3 @ChopinandChampagne

Came across this on another thread and thought it might resonate with you re LB

www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/finding-new-home/202208/surprising-reasons-why-narcissists-conspiracy-theories

LittlePearl · 27/11/2022 21:18

I'm so glad I stumbled across this thread as I too think of Chopin from time to time. Thanks for the updates, C&C.

SirVixofVixHall · 27/11/2022 21:40

SirMingeALot · 24/11/2022 17:43

There isn't a chance in hell I'd be giving them cash for that cow.

Nor me !
Hugely expensive presents, I am quite shocked by that Chopin.
I find myself worrying about you now and again, and thinking of LB with a shudder as my own dds get closer to the age when they might get boyfriends.
I always hope to read that your dd has left him.

Lilliflip · 27/11/2022 22:14

SirVixofVixHall · 27/11/2022 21:40

Nor me !
Hugely expensive presents, I am quite shocked by that Chopin.
I find myself worrying about you now and again, and thinking of LB with a shudder as my own dds get closer to the age when they might get boyfriends.
I always hope to read that your dd has left him.

I remember the threads @ChopinandChampagne and was only thinking of them earlier this week. Glad to hear you are ok, but sorry to hear of all the ‘restrictions’ on you to maintain this relationship.
I’m another one shocked by the gift ‘demands’ too. My goodness they aren’t afraid of asking for a lot are they, gold and a cow indeed.

Ogonek · 27/11/2022 23:15

Chopin, I’m pretty staggered by the gifts too. The cow, £850 for a playhouse for the children which LB managed to divert into his bank account - and you mentioned in passing that you bought them a range cooker that runs on wood as well?

Even quite a modest model seems to be well into 4 figures.

And LB then has the gall to start harping on about presents of gold now? Despite having just sold one house and being about to sell another, AND being given a car by his DGPs? Heavens above, he really is a grasping waste of space, isn’t he?

ChopinandChampagne · 28/11/2022 09:11

Thank you for your comments over the weekend.

DD1 FaceTimed me last night to tell me that the three DGC were baptised into the RC faith yesterday and that she and LB were 'conditionally baptised', whereupon they made confession and took 'communion' (I assume mass). She said it was a private ceremony with just them and their neighbours, who were the godparents.

She was describing what they wore - smart casual - and I said that she could have used the Christening gown for DGS, which has been in the family for years, which she said would have been nice if she had thought about it, but the decision to be baptised had all been made and arranged quite quickly. Actually, having thought about it, the Christening gown would probably have been too small for DGS anyway.

In fact, they went to a church over an hour's drive away for the ceremony, performed by a priest they had never met, across the border. It was organised by the neighbours, who told them that the priest at the local church was 'too old and doddery' to officiate, although they are proposing to attend the local church in future. In fact, the whole conversion appears to have been instigated by the neighbours, although I am not suggesting that they are not sincere in their beliefs. I remember when DD1 and LB first visited the neighbours, DD1 said how religious they were, with lots of icons etc. But I think this is not uncommon in the area where they are living.

Anyway, DD1 seemed pleased with the way it had all gone, although it was a long day, especially for the DGC, with the two hour ceremony on top of all of the driving. The DGDs wanted to say hello and then went off to play, encouraged by DD1, who was being very patient, but they were obviously tired. DD1 said that DGD1 is being very challenging at present and pushing lots of boundaries. However, clearly any present problems cannot be blamed on the PIL, whose visit has now been put off until the new year, which I am sure they must find hurtful.

With regard to the expensive presents, I wanted to buy them the range cooker, which was second hand and not too expensive, as I wanted the DGC to be warm and dry. As it is, there has been a problem with the boiler and they have had no heating or hot water for three weeks. LB insists on fixing it himself and is unwilling to buy a new one, although I suspect that the existing one is quite old and goodness knows when it was last serviced. I was also happy to buy the playhouse for the DGC, but was annoyed and upset when the money was siphoned off by LB.

I told DD1 that I wanted to buy her 'something special' for her birthday, as it was her 30th, and asked her what she wanted, so I kind of invited the request for the cow/gold etc. In fact, DD1 initially just said that she had a 'wish list', which I am sure was relatively modest. What I always need to bear in mind is that she does not make any decision, even the most trivial, without discussing it with LB and with nobody else, as there is nobody else, apart from me, and the PIL before they moved away and fell out. Therefore, LB effectively makes all of the decisions, even ones involving what she should have for her birthday, using every situation to his advantage, at least that's how it seems to me.

I was always pleased that DD1 had the support of her PIL, even though it hurt me that LB's DP were there at the marriage or, at least, held the celebratory BBQ at their home afterwards, when we we were neither invited nor told about the marriage, until 14 months later. In fact, there were no guests or ceremony as such, just witnesses and I don't even know who they were, whether they were family or strangers. LB just booked the cheapest slot at 9am, in the next county, which involved signing paperwork. Nevertheless, I found it painful to see a photo of DD1 with her MIL on the mantelpiece, when DD was smiling and garlanded with flowers. It also hurt me that MIL was the one involved with the support after DGD1 and DGD2, when we were apparently surplus to requirements. But, having said all that, at least DD did have that support from her PIL, for which I am grateful. Now she just has the neighbours and she has me.

Of course, the past is still painful, but I am trying to come to terms with it all and, to an extent, I am succeeding. I do detect a change in DD1 and our relationship is much warmer, much closer, than it has been for some years - well, since shortly after she met LB, to be precise, who routinely extinguished everyone she cared for from DD's life. I genuinely feel that, as I was the one who was closest, I was the number one target, but also the most difficult, and it took a while to achieve, but he got there in the end - or did he?

When we were in the coffee shop in Carrick, a song played in the background, one of the rarer Beatles' songs, which DD1 had heard on the radio on the day DH died. It is very meaningful to her and we both felt, knew, that DH's presence was around us. I know that he would want us to be reconciled and, despite the past, my love for DD is unconditional. But I have taken on board the wise counsel of MN'ers, whose support has been invaluable. The 'rules' are tortuous and harsh, but at least I feel that I sort of know what they are now, that I have the measure of LB, and a map to navigate.

DD's life is hard now, but she is young and carried through by love, for LB and for her DC. If her love for LB dies, her centre has gone and I would be very concerned for her mental health. I do feel that she needs me and may well need me more as time passes by. And of course I will be there for her, and for my DGC. At the moment I am keeping an eye on them from afar, but I feel more detached, less vulnerable.

Sorry, this is longer than intended...

Ogonek · 28/11/2022 09:53

I understand, Chopin. It’s so hard for you and you’ve established a fragile thread of communication with DD and with your DGC now. Of course you wanted them to be warm and dry at least (though I’m relieved to hear that the cooker was second-hand). If you can maintain that balance of feeling connected enough, yet sufficiently mentally distanced, that’s a great achievement on your part.

But LB. Dear God, he’s a piece of work. Sorry to keep harping on about it, but what kind of lunatic insists on his wife and small children living without heating or hot water for 3 weeks in a mould-filled dilapidated house in rural Ireland in November?

No need to answer that one, obviously….

tribpot · 28/11/2022 12:22

I know it is impossibly hard when you hear about small children, let alone your own grandchildren, being made to live in dire conditions by their parents, but I really would keep your gifts to the warm clothes and blankets your DD asks for. I have no doubt that hints will be getting dropped about this boiler in due course. (When LB breaks it trying to fix it himself). They will take and take and take - and even more so now his own parents are out of favour.

They've put you in an impossible situation with gifts - you have to ask what to get, because any other presents are rejected out of hand and you are made to feel like a terrible mother. But by asking you allow LB to use it as a way for him to get his hands on even more of your money. I would keep it to small gifts only - no cows or gold or playhouses. If you want to look at it this way, if you stick to small, practical items there is much more of a chance of them actually ending up in your DD's hands.

ChopinandChampagne · 28/11/2022 14:46

Thank you Ogonek and Tribpot and everyone else. I am sorry that I did not reply to everyone individually today, but I am going away for a week and was running out of time.

The thing is that LB and DD are actually well off now that they have sold the two houses. They don't need financial assistance from me. They own the small holding outright and have over £150k from the house sales, as well as various ISAs and savings, They also have a generous government grant for new farmers and child benefit.

So they can well afford to replace the boiler and sort out the mould, buy a new car, livestock for the farm, and even have a few treats. But my understanding is that the money is all in LB's account and he doesn't want to spend money on anything which he regards as an unnecessary luxury, or which he thinks he can fix himself.

DD spends nothing on herself, doesn't have her hair done, wear make up, eat out, have new clothes etc. She used to enjoy these things but now believes they are unnecessary. However, she is excited to eat out when I go, so I think there is a vestige of the former DD still there. I am not suggesting that they should be profligate by the way, but their lifestyle is so austere.

She wasn't able to take the DGC out for months or leave the small holding, as they only had the van for transport. I am actually full of admiration at how well she has coped. I am sure I couldn't!

gianfrancogorgonzola · 28/11/2022 15:01

He’s such a piece of work. I can’t bear reading about him, goodness knows how you are coping Chopin but well done for managing the relationship with DD1 to this point.

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EarringsandLipstick · 28/11/2022 15:18

@ChopinandChampagne

I felt very emotional reading your post from this morning.

You're such a lovely, and truly loving, mum. You really try to understand & empathise & not make it about your pain & loss with DD.

Your description of the Beatles song is beautiful.

EarringsandLipstick · 28/11/2022 15:21

DD spends nothing on herself, doesn't have her hair done, wear make up, eat out, have new clothes etc. She used to enjoy these things but now believes they are unnecessary. However, she is excited to eat out when I go, so I think there is a vestige of the former DD still there. I am not suggesting that they should be profligate by the way, but their lifestyle is so austere.

Your poor DD. It's just awful to see her so financially dependent, and controlled by LB. I wish something might change that she'd see the light a bit.

What do your other DDs make of everything now? I know that one DD is NC with her while the other does have some contact?

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