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My husband gives me permission to go out, and I feel grateful FFS - is this trauma bonding??

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Moonah · 24/09/2022 09:24

I have friends. My H doesn't have any. A night out was arranged this week, and it struck me much later that (1) my H gave me permission to go, and (2) that I actually felt grateful that he gave me permission. I hadn't realised this happened before now, and it's caused me to really examine my own feelings and reactions to him, and I've realised that when my friends arrange a night out, I dread telling my H and I put off mentioning it. When I do eventually tell him, my heart beats faster and I get a knot of tension in my stomach. His response is always to either frown and look angry and say 'Are you going?' in a really annoyed tone, or to pause and then say 'You can go if you want'. If the former, I then feel worried and chew on it for hours (and if I'm brave enough to ask why he's annoyed, he always denies that he is, but again in an annoyed tone, and then he's off with me for hours). But if he says I can go, I actually feel grateful and relieved.

There's so much wrong else in this relationship. It's a constant cycle of him alternating between being moody and being lovely. I'm on eggshells, then I'm relaxed, I'm on eggshells, then I'm relaxed: over and over and over, all depending on my H's mood. When he's stressed or busy, he takes his moods out on me – snapping at me and being horrible to me, banging about, slamming doors, loud irritated sighs, etc., but then denying it if I ask him what's wrong: "nothing" is his stock answer. And then I'm tense and worried. We've just had 4 days of him being angry about something that happened at work, and I've been tense and walking on eggshells for all that time. Then yesterday, he suddenly gave me a hug and told me he loved me (no apology: there's never an apology because he is never ever in the wrong, ever) and I was flooded with gratefulness and relief, and now he's back to being really nice again, relaxed and laughing and joking.

There are loads of other things: he's a compulsive liar, he regularly gives me me silent treatment, he refuses to discuss any issues, he's resentful and holds silent grudges for years, he messes with my stuff behind my back then pretends he hasn't. He's fussy and controlling. He's never wrong - if I mention an issue then he instantly denies it and turns it back on me so I end up confused and believing I'm the one in the wrong. We haven't had sex for 10 years, we don't hold hands or kiss, and there's only affection when he's going through a nice cycle. But when it IS a nice cycle - which is about half of the time - he's funny and good company and we get on so well, and I just love those times.

I recognise all this. I know this is a shit relationship. I've got a job, I earn (just about) enough to finance a solo life, we don't have children, I've got a lot of friends and people like me, I've got hobbies and interests. I'd be totally fine living alone, so I have literally no idea why I stay - apart from the times when he's lovely, and those feelings of floods of relief and gratefulness, and I just want to stay here with him in this relationship so strongly that I keep repeating this ridiculous cycle, and I just know if I left I'd miss him so much.

If this was a friend of mine telling me this I'd tell her to run for the hills. It's fucking ludicrous. Even typing this, I'm annoyed at how pathetic I am. So I googled this morning 'why do I feel grateful when my partner is nice to me' and ended up down this rabbit hole of abusive relationships and trauma bonding. Is that what this is??

I'm 55 and we've been together for 30 years.

OP posts:
JamesBondOO7 · 24/09/2022 09:29

Is he impotent?
Why are you still with him? For sure it's easy for me to say that but I have to ask.

It's the lying that gets me.

Sit and chat ask about sex.

Leaving, consider what you may end up with and it may be a lot easier to work on this situation but years of this behaviour would be hard to change I guess.

I feel for you and sorry.

Maunderingdrunkenly · 24/09/2022 09:32

Ignore the above poster.
of course you should leave he’s abusive, he’s trained you like a dog.
and you realise you can be with someone who’s nice all the time? Imagine how amazing you’d feel then!

Huiyt · 24/09/2022 09:32

It’s time to break away from this man and spread your wings. If you don’t, you could have another 30 years of it.

Dotcheck · 24/09/2022 09:36

Dear god pp

Your post got worse and worse with each thing you said.
I can’t adequately explain how much better your life would be without him

Umbellifer · 24/09/2022 09:36

Sadly @Moonah your relationship is abusive- I know that’s very hard to accept. You stay for the good times because they ARE good, but then you pay for them with his moods and his control.

you deserve to be much happier, and you will be, but only you can make it happen; he’s fine with how things are.

get yourself out of there, it will be tough and you will miss him to start with…but then you’ll realise how lovely it is to do what you want, when you want, with no asking permission and no eggshells.

I’m newly escaped from a relationship just like yours, and it feels good. You can do it.

JamesBondOO7 · 24/09/2022 09:44

Maunderingdrunkenly · 24/09/2022 09:32

Ignore the above poster.
of course you should leave he’s abusive, he’s trained you like a dog.
and you realise you can be with someone who’s nice all the time? Imagine how amazing you’d feel then!

I could saw "ignore your post" but I'm not ignorant.

The reason I said was her to possibly stay and as per my post is 'you never know what you may end up with'

I'm sure you know of people that met someone that appeared the best thing since sliced bread until they moved in together/married etc - staying at least she has good times and possibly work on that with professional help?

AquaticSewingMachine · 24/09/2022 09:44

In a nutshell, yep. Your relationship is classic trauma bonding; you get sort of psychologically and physiologically addicted to the high of him stopping being horrible to you. (Which is all it is, remember; him not being a shithead for a bit.)

It's a huge step that you have realised this. What would help you take the next step?

You might want to contact Women's Aid for a chat, or if you have the cash I would definitely recommend seeing a therapist for yourself for a bit.

AquaticSewingMachine · 24/09/2022 09:46

JamesBondOO7 · 24/09/2022 09:44

I could saw "ignore your post" but I'm not ignorant.

The reason I said was her to possibly stay and as per my post is 'you never know what you may end up with'

I'm sure you know of people that met someone that appeared the best thing since sliced bread until they moved in together/married etc - staying at least she has good times and possibly work on that with professional help?

Gosh, what an awful prospect the OP would face if she did leave. A happy independent life she could shape how she wanted, where she didn't have to walk on eggshells or ask anybody's permission for Jack shit. 🤔

DisappointedIsAnUnderstatement · 24/09/2022 09:57

I believe I have a friend in your situation. She has been with her DH for 40 years (since 19) and she has to ask permission to do things. I don't give advice because she doesn't ask, but I do think about it occasionally. I've known her for 25 years so I initially just assumed that her marriage was different to how it appeared, that the good outweighed the bad really and who was I to judge but I have moved on to just wondering why she stays? She doesn't talk much about her marriage, she said once her DH hates her talking about it to anyone else, and she takes that to heart.

Have you spoken to your friends about this? they might be the support you need right now.

Haffiana · 24/09/2022 10:00

JamesBondOO7 · 24/09/2022 09:44

I could saw "ignore your post" but I'm not ignorant.

The reason I said was her to possibly stay and as per my post is 'you never know what you may end up with'

I'm sure you know of people that met someone that appeared the best thing since sliced bread until they moved in together/married etc - staying at least she has good times and possibly work on that with professional help?

Yeah, you are ignorant. You are also lucky if you are not in an abusive relationship because you are at risk. You should look at The Freedom Programme.

jeaux90 · 24/09/2022 10:04

It's emotional abuse. He's a master at being passive aggressive too.

Believe me when I say your life will be so much better without him in it.

I've been there, that relief I felt when I walked through the door of my new place 10 years ago is still palpable today.

You have one life, don't sacrifice it at the alter of a crap marriage.

You have friends, a life, a job. Loving on your own is wonderful.

TangoTizer · 24/09/2022 10:05

It does sound like a miserable, stressful existence for you, and you have become used to it so perhaps don’t realise how very awful it sounds to those who are happily single or in healthy, loving relationships.

What do YOU want to do?

Lawazzalawoo · 24/09/2022 10:11

You have nothing to stay for OP.

I also disagree with people saying stay. Why? For the breadcrumbs he throws you?

You might never have another relationship. But being on your own and relaxed in your own home is better than walking on egg shells all of the time.

Moonah · 24/09/2022 10:11

Thanks everyone. I know I need to leave, I really do. On the rare occasions I've threatened to leave, he has been horrified at the thought of us splitting up, he says he can't imagine life without me, and instantly switches into loving mode and being really affectionate. So that makes it really hard to follow through with leaving, because when he's being nice I can't even imagine leaving him and find myself thinking, "my god what was I thinking?? I could have lost this amazing relationship".

The other issue I've got is, he's life's eternal victim. He thinks everyone else is always out to get him. He cannot stand anyone else getting what he perceives to be the upper hand on him, and he'll fight tooth and nail to be the 'winner'. I've seen him try to get colleagues in trouble at work when they've crossed paths with him for the most minor slights. So once he realises that this time I'm serious, he'll switch from being lovely to me to trying to destroy me financially, mentally, any way he can - just so he can feel like the victor. He won't be able to bear me instigating the end of our marriage. So the thought of this battle also stops me from leaving.

OP posts:
Moonah · 24/09/2022 10:12

Have you spoken to your friends about this?

Yes, I speak to a very good friend about this. I know she's worried and wants me to leave.

OP posts:
Pixiedust1234 · 24/09/2022 10:14

AquaticSewingMachine · 24/09/2022 09:44

In a nutshell, yep. Your relationship is classic trauma bonding; you get sort of psychologically and physiologically addicted to the high of him stopping being horrible to you. (Which is all it is, remember; him not being a shithead for a bit.)

It's a huge step that you have realised this. What would help you take the next step?

You might want to contact Women's Aid for a chat, or if you have the cash I would definitely recommend seeing a therapist for yourself for a bit.

What?? I know àbout the lows (just) but I had never considered it a "high" when he is nice...but that is exactly how it feels. Instead of walking on eggshells I'm walking on air. Seriously...wtaf??

OP - its not going to get better so how do you feel living with him for the next twenty years feeling like this? If you really don't know (and since you say no children and a decent wage) could you do a trial separation with counselling and see how you feel after 3 months? It is becoming less weird to be in a relationship but living a part now. Is this something you might want?

Moonah · 24/09/2022 10:14

What do YOU want to do?

I fantasise a lot about living alone. I think it's the times he's lovely that stops me, but also the thought of the whole process of ending a marriage, splitting finances, selling the house, etc. with someone who will be horrible to me that also stops me. It just all feels so overwhelming. And I can also imagine only remembering the times he's lovely and missing him and regretting it.

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Pumpkinpatchlookinggood · 24/09/2022 10:21

Leave. Get a dcat.
It will be lovely to you 24/7...
You really don't need snippings of normality from a cunt.

Cakeandcoffee93 · 24/09/2022 10:24

Please leave this guy- and maybe you’ll find someone or maybe you won’t but god it’s got to be better than being on eggshells

Fundays12 · 24/09/2022 10:27

Omg please leave. There is nothing healthy or normal about this relationship. No sex in 10 years why stay? What do you get from this relationship? You shouldn't need his permission to go out. I don't ask my DH permission to go out. We do discuss if it's affordable before either of us commit to a night out as we have 3 kids. If it's not affordable it's declined.

Bearsporridge · 24/09/2022 10:29

Trauma bonding is a neat little pithy phrase but the reality is very powerful emotions stemming from your survival instincts kicking in. These are evolutionary mechanisms at play.

It’s so easy to read about relationships like these and say “oh you should leave him/raise your standards” etc but until you’ve been caught in the tidal current of these emotions, you really have no idea.

It’s more powerful than addiction. Recognising it is an excellent first step - you can’t be simultaneously in that reactive ancient brain, and in the modern analytical frontal lobe. So everytime you’re able to detach and analyse the situation gives you power over it.

My advice (and take it with a grain of salt if it’s not right for you) is to make a sudden clean break. Don’t let it drag out, or give him any hope it can be resolved. Get someone you trust to be a human shield for a couple of weeks, block him on everything and just get away. Then work out the legal aspects through a solicitor.

Moonah · 24/09/2022 10:32

I don't even know why we stopped having sex – he wouldn't tell me. And it's not an affair as he literally never goes anywhere. He has no friends or hobbies, and he works at home. And that's suffocating in itself actually. He doesn't like me having time to myself: he insists on following me around the house; even coming into the bathroom to talk to me if I'm having a bath and reading a magazine.

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Brigante9 · 24/09/2022 10:36

Sort out finances before you tell him. Protect yours. See a solicitor. Why are you tolerating this?

Paq · 24/09/2022 10:36

I'm a little younger than you and the thought of living the rest of my life like that horrifies me. You have so much live left! Please give yourself the gift of freedom from such an oppressive relationship.

Yika · 24/09/2022 10:39

You must get out but you must do it safely. There is no discussing with a person like this, you cannot nicely agree to split. As you say, he could turn nasty. Please seek professional help in order to plan and make your getaway.