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My husband gives me permission to go out, and I feel grateful FFS - is this trauma bonding??

181 replies

Moonah · 24/09/2022 09:24

I have friends. My H doesn't have any. A night out was arranged this week, and it struck me much later that (1) my H gave me permission to go, and (2) that I actually felt grateful that he gave me permission. I hadn't realised this happened before now, and it's caused me to really examine my own feelings and reactions to him, and I've realised that when my friends arrange a night out, I dread telling my H and I put off mentioning it. When I do eventually tell him, my heart beats faster and I get a knot of tension in my stomach. His response is always to either frown and look angry and say 'Are you going?' in a really annoyed tone, or to pause and then say 'You can go if you want'. If the former, I then feel worried and chew on it for hours (and if I'm brave enough to ask why he's annoyed, he always denies that he is, but again in an annoyed tone, and then he's off with me for hours). But if he says I can go, I actually feel grateful and relieved.

There's so much wrong else in this relationship. It's a constant cycle of him alternating between being moody and being lovely. I'm on eggshells, then I'm relaxed, I'm on eggshells, then I'm relaxed: over and over and over, all depending on my H's mood. When he's stressed or busy, he takes his moods out on me – snapping at me and being horrible to me, banging about, slamming doors, loud irritated sighs, etc., but then denying it if I ask him what's wrong: "nothing" is his stock answer. And then I'm tense and worried. We've just had 4 days of him being angry about something that happened at work, and I've been tense and walking on eggshells for all that time. Then yesterday, he suddenly gave me a hug and told me he loved me (no apology: there's never an apology because he is never ever in the wrong, ever) and I was flooded with gratefulness and relief, and now he's back to being really nice again, relaxed and laughing and joking.

There are loads of other things: he's a compulsive liar, he regularly gives me me silent treatment, he refuses to discuss any issues, he's resentful and holds silent grudges for years, he messes with my stuff behind my back then pretends he hasn't. He's fussy and controlling. He's never wrong - if I mention an issue then he instantly denies it and turns it back on me so I end up confused and believing I'm the one in the wrong. We haven't had sex for 10 years, we don't hold hands or kiss, and there's only affection when he's going through a nice cycle. But when it IS a nice cycle - which is about half of the time - he's funny and good company and we get on so well, and I just love those times.

I recognise all this. I know this is a shit relationship. I've got a job, I earn (just about) enough to finance a solo life, we don't have children, I've got a lot of friends and people like me, I've got hobbies and interests. I'd be totally fine living alone, so I have literally no idea why I stay - apart from the times when he's lovely, and those feelings of floods of relief and gratefulness, and I just want to stay here with him in this relationship so strongly that I keep repeating this ridiculous cycle, and I just know if I left I'd miss him so much.

If this was a friend of mine telling me this I'd tell her to run for the hills. It's fucking ludicrous. Even typing this, I'm annoyed at how pathetic I am. So I googled this morning 'why do I feel grateful when my partner is nice to me' and ended up down this rabbit hole of abusive relationships and trauma bonding. Is that what this is??

I'm 55 and we've been together for 30 years.

OP posts:
Poppinjay · 24/09/2022 10:41

This is classic domestic abusive behaviour.

He prioritises his wants over your needs.

He persuades you that the problem is you, not his behaviour towards you.

He give you just enough of the 'good' him that you will put up with the 'bad'. You will see less and less of the 'good' as time passes and the 'bad' will escalate in duration and intensity until he feels no need to bother being 'good' any more.

If he feels you might walk away, he love-bombs you and promises the moon on a stick. As soon as the danger passes, he reverts to previous patterns of behaviour.

If you do walk away he will probably:

  • Act as if he is devasted, a victim and pretend to have no idea what he has done wrong
  • Promise that he's learned his lesson and everything will be lovely
  • Accuse you of doing to him what he has done to you
  • Send people to harrass you on his behalf
  • Threaten to hurt you
  • Threaten to hurt himself or take his own life
  • Bombard you with insults

You need to be ready to grey-rock everything he does. Every response will feed his behaviour.

Now please get plans in place to leave him, write down all the reasons to leave and reread it every time you wobble and make sure you have family and friends around to support you.

You will look back in the future and wonder why you put up with him for so long.

Moonah · 24/09/2022 10:42

Bearsporridge · 24/09/2022 10:29

Trauma bonding is a neat little pithy phrase but the reality is very powerful emotions stemming from your survival instincts kicking in. These are evolutionary mechanisms at play.

It’s so easy to read about relationships like these and say “oh you should leave him/raise your standards” etc but until you’ve been caught in the tidal current of these emotions, you really have no idea.

It’s more powerful than addiction. Recognising it is an excellent first step - you can’t be simultaneously in that reactive ancient brain, and in the modern analytical frontal lobe. So everytime you’re able to detach and analyse the situation gives you power over it.

My advice (and take it with a grain of salt if it’s not right for you) is to make a sudden clean break. Don’t let it drag out, or give him any hope it can be resolved. Get someone you trust to be a human shield for a couple of weeks, block him on everything and just get away. Then work out the legal aspects through a solicitor.

Thank you so much for writing this. It makes me feel much less pathetic and gives me more understanding of why I continue to stay.

The advice to just suddenly leave makes a lot of sense, and this is actually along the lines of what my gut instinct is. I keep having this imaginary conversation with him where I outline all the problems, and we discuss it calmly like adults. But in reality that's never going to happen in a million years. He'll either feel attacked and his vitim status will kick in and he'll counterattack with all the things he percieves to be wrong with me. Or he'll be horrified and he'll switch on the charm and lovebomb me into staying again. And I know that I would definitely stay if he did that. So I never have this imaginary conversation with him, because I suspect I know it will end up with me staying with him for another x number of years.

My gut instinct is telling me I need to quietly get organised, see a solicitor, find a place to rent, then just tell him I'm going and not get drawn into all reasons why. And then deal with divorce & finances once I've left.

OP posts:
Always4Brenner · 24/09/2022 10:44

I know exactly what you mean about the grumpiness the non apologies it’s ‘oh I’ve not been well’ to excuse weeks or days of snappiness etc. very little sex as well now don’t care this Christmas is grump free because I am leaving (yes did wrong but ask why I fell into that trap) depression feeling life is just miserable (when he’s in his moods) etc so yes I’m out miracles have happened and yes I’ve three years hard finances ahead but I’ll survive that.(my 59th I’ll be free was scammed) Please leave I’m same age 56. And January 2021 I just dreaded the thought of another 20 years of this. In-laws have turned against me big time but once I leave no longer my problem they’re ditched (no children) so no grandparents issue. Hugs

Moonah · 24/09/2022 10:46

Poppinjay · 24/09/2022 10:41

This is classic domestic abusive behaviour.

He prioritises his wants over your needs.

He persuades you that the problem is you, not his behaviour towards you.

He give you just enough of the 'good' him that you will put up with the 'bad'. You will see less and less of the 'good' as time passes and the 'bad' will escalate in duration and intensity until he feels no need to bother being 'good' any more.

If he feels you might walk away, he love-bombs you and promises the moon on a stick. As soon as the danger passes, he reverts to previous patterns of behaviour.

If you do walk away he will probably:

  • Act as if he is devasted, a victim and pretend to have no idea what he has done wrong
  • Promise that he's learned his lesson and everything will be lovely
  • Accuse you of doing to him what he has done to you
  • Send people to harrass you on his behalf
  • Threaten to hurt you
  • Threaten to hurt himself or take his own life
  • Bombard you with insults

You need to be ready to grey-rock everything he does. Every response will feed his behaviour.

Now please get plans in place to leave him, write down all the reasons to leave and reread it every time you wobble and make sure you have family and friends around to support you.

You will look back in the future and wonder why you put up with him for so long.

We cross-posted, but you've articulated exactly what my suspicions are of how he'd be if I told him I wanted to leave.

You will see less and less of the 'good' as time passes and the 'bad' will escalate in duration and intensity until he feels no need to bother being 'good' any more.

This bit especially gave me pause - you're dead right, and I hadn't realised this was happening, but it is. I'm at a place now where the cycle of mean/nice is more and more frequent: sometimes even hour by hour, and I often feel wrongfooted and like I can't do right for doing wrong. I'm constantly changing my behaviour and predicting his moods and anticipating what might annoy him next.

OP posts:
DoubleGauze · 24/09/2022 10:57

I'm so sorry that you're in this 'relationship' op. It's utterly soul destroying to live the life you describe.

Please speak with solace women's aid and make a plan to leave. I've written these two steps as if it's easy - I know it isn't as I was where you are 15 years ago and it took every ounce of strength I had to get out. But you must do this , it's worth it , as you'll see when you're in a new home with all the freedom and happiness you deserve.

Please keep posting op , we're all behind you!

LimpBiskit · 24/09/2022 10:57

I think you know that you should leave. It won't be easy but it will be worth it.

DoubleGauze · 24/09/2022 11:04

Just to say op. Abusive exh is now an alcoholic and drug user that gets drunk and rants about me ruining his life and has secured another lady to verbally abuse. The kids both gradually stopped seeing him. He's exactly the same person that he was 30 years ago , with the added bonus of age , bitterness , and worsening finances and health. I do not regret leaving one bit!

Doingprettywellthanks · 24/09/2022 11:05

You don’t need to put a fancy label on it OP

He is a total twat and you have wasted half of your life on him.

Dont waste the next 30 years

Doingprettywellthanks · 24/09/2022 11:08

Do you have children op?

outtheshowernow · 24/09/2022 11:12

Omg I can't believe what I've just read. Please get out of this relationship it is abusive and you don't even have children you have no reason to stay. Enjoy the rest of your life please don't waste it on this man life is too short

outtheshowernow · 24/09/2022 11:14

JamesBondOO7 · 24/09/2022 09:29

Is he impotent?
Why are you still with him? For sure it's easy for me to say that but I have to ask.

It's the lying that gets me.

Sit and chat ask about sex.

Leaving, consider what you may end up with and it may be a lot easier to work on this situation but years of this behaviour would be hard to change I guess.

I feel for you and sorry.

Really ? Terrible advice she needs to get out

outtheshowernow · 24/09/2022 11:16

JamesBondOO7 · 24/09/2022 09:29

Is he impotent?
Why are you still with him? For sure it's easy for me to say that but I have to ask.

It's the lying that gets me.

Sit and chat ask about sex.

Leaving, consider what you may end up with and it may be a lot easier to work on this situation but years of this behaviour would be hard to change I guess.

I feel for you and sorry.

You don't know what you end up with ? Give over she would be a million times better on her OWN

Poppinjay · 24/09/2022 11:18

I hadn't realised this was happening, but it is.

It's often hard to see it when it is being perpetrated on you, especially when someone is skilled at making you take the blame.

This is not you.

Nobody should spend a lifetime walking on eggshells, trying to avoid annoying their abuser.

You deserve so much better than this.

HairyMothballs · 24/09/2022 11:20

Stockholm Syndrome. You haven't got children together. There is NO REASON for you to stay.

category12 · 24/09/2022 11:25

Bearsporridge · 24/09/2022 10:29

Trauma bonding is a neat little pithy phrase but the reality is very powerful emotions stemming from your survival instincts kicking in. These are evolutionary mechanisms at play.

It’s so easy to read about relationships like these and say “oh you should leave him/raise your standards” etc but until you’ve been caught in the tidal current of these emotions, you really have no idea.

It’s more powerful than addiction. Recognising it is an excellent first step - you can’t be simultaneously in that reactive ancient brain, and in the modern analytical frontal lobe. So everytime you’re able to detach and analyse the situation gives you power over it.

My advice (and take it with a grain of salt if it’s not right for you) is to make a sudden clean break. Don’t let it drag out, or give him any hope it can be resolved. Get someone you trust to be a human shield for a couple of weeks, block him on everything and just get away. Then work out the legal aspects through a solicitor.

Very much this.

That's what I would recommend too - sort yourself out somewhere to go on the quiet, and just leave one day.

He has long long experience of manipulating you so your best way out is to not give him the chance to reel you back in.

Doingprettywellthanks · 24/09/2022 11:25

Op would I be correct in thinking he’s a high earner and you don’t work? I sense you are very dependent on him and that explains your vulnerability

whynotwhatknot · 24/09/2022 11:25

my dh can be a dick but i couldnt bear all that -silet treatment folllwing you round never alone and gaslighting

just leave even if you have a loss is the fight even worth it-you mh is more imprtant than money

category12 · 24/09/2022 11:27

Doingprettywellthanks · 24/09/2022 11:25

Op would I be correct in thinking he’s a high earner and you don’t work? I sense you are very dependent on him and that explains your vulnerability

She said she works and earns enough to support herself in her first post. 🙄

Moonah · 24/09/2022 11:28

Doingprettywellthanks · 24/09/2022 11:25

Op would I be correct in thinking he’s a high earner and you don’t work? I sense you are very dependent on him and that explains your vulnerability

He's a very high earner yes. But I do work full time and am not totally financially dependant on him. My life would be difficult financially alone because I don't earn anything like what he earns, and I'd have to really cut back, but it wouldn't be impossible.

OP posts:
Doingprettywellthanks · 24/09/2022 11:29

Moonah · 24/09/2022 11:28

He's a very high earner yes. But I do work full time and am not totally financially dependant on him. My life would be difficult financially alone because I don't earn anything like what he earns, and I'd have to really cut back, but it wouldn't be impossible.

Married?

Doingprettywellthanks · 24/09/2022 11:30

He’s your husband
together thirty years?

tool up with a kick ass divorce lawyer and you should get a pretty tasty divorce settlement

No children?

Moonah · 24/09/2022 11:30

DoubleGauze · 24/09/2022 10:57

I'm so sorry that you're in this 'relationship' op. It's utterly soul destroying to live the life you describe.

Please speak with solace women's aid and make a plan to leave. I've written these two steps as if it's easy - I know it isn't as I was where you are 15 years ago and it took every ounce of strength I had to get out. But you must do this , it's worth it , as you'll see when you're in a new home with all the freedom and happiness you deserve.

Please keep posting op , we're all behind you!

Thank you. And yes, I'll keep posting.

OP posts:
Moonah · 24/09/2022 11:31

Doingprettywellthanks · 24/09/2022 11:29

Married?

Yes, married

OP posts:
Moonah · 24/09/2022 11:31

And no children.

OP posts:
Paq · 24/09/2022 11:33

I wish people would do OP the courtesy of reading her posts.

Well done for coming this far OP, keep going!