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I’ve stolen her retirement plans (apparently).

239 replies

Sparrownest1 · 24/08/2022 18:47

In my late 50s and in a lovely relationship, DP and I have sports and hobbies in common and have made some great adventure travel plans. His XW tells everyone that I’ve stolen her retirement and now she can’t afford to do any of the things she was looking forward to. He had asked her to do many of these things but she just didn’t want to join him or be involved in his retirement dreams, so in the end this was part of the reason he left. I feel like I’m being made out to be a terrible person and don’t know if there is anything I can do.

OP posts:
Sparrownest1 · 24/08/2022 20:39

sevengoodthings · 24/08/2022 20:32

I can see both sides. You do sound reasonable, but I've also been the wife whose dh left for another woman, and tbh at times I do feel like she's stolen my retirement, for the same reasons as your dh's ex - there are things we planned that I cannot afford to do alone, and it hurts a lot to think of him going ahead with those plans with a different woman. I think you should be content that you have a good relationship and are doing all these fun things. You can't expect your dp's ex to stop feeling hurt and resentful about the break up. All you can do it find a way to ignore or live with it for now.

I don’t want to make her life more difficult which is ridiculous I know. I don’t really understand how to deal with it because I’ve worked and planned my for own life and retirement having been divorced for years. Maybe I should just be tougher and not worry about it.

OP posts:
Johnnysgirl · 24/08/2022 20:40

Are either of you actually retired yet?!

girlmom21 · 24/08/2022 20:41

Johnnysgirl · 24/08/2022 20:40

Are either of you actually retired yet?!

Sorry she can only answer cryptically Grin

J0y · 24/08/2022 20:41

I struggle with this advise myself when it comes to my mother but i think in the end you have to allow her to have her interpretation of her new life as a divorcee, ykwim. You can't tell her what her perspective on this should be. She may not have wanted to go biking but she might have wanted to live in some material comfort and that dream was dashed. I don't know. So yeh, boring answer but just be at peace with her having an opinion on the end of her marriage and respect that she the right to that opinion. She thinks what she thinks.

I'm not a first wife (or a second wife) but i do think often that a lot of the anxiety I experience is because I'm not at peace with other people's low opinion of me and their UNFAIR interpretation of events.

Just watch a video this morning that inspired me to allow people to think what they think

Johnnysgirl · 24/08/2022 20:42

girlmom21 · 24/08/2022 20:41

Sorry she can only answer cryptically Grin

So it seems 😂

SquirrelSoShiny · 24/08/2022 20:43

There's something quite distasteful about this thread.

Johnnysgirl · 24/08/2022 20:45

SquirrelSoShiny · 24/08/2022 20:43

There's something quite distasteful about this thread.

There is. Particularly when it's likely neither of them are actually retired yet, but are rubbing their "plans" in the ex's and the children's faces.
No need to share that stuff at all.

Crikeyalmighty · 24/08/2022 20:49

I think OP it's difficult. You can never 100% understand the dynamic between another couple nor 100% know they give you the full score of why a relationship ended- they will give you their version
sometimes there really isn't a reason. Maybe there were reasons they split over and above what he's told you and he doesn't want to go there- it's then sometimes easier to say you don't share the same vision etc-- it may be she would quite like to have done some of these things and that's not 100% the reason - hence why she feels hurt and is making silly comments. The reason I think this way is my ex husband 26 years ago met his wife 3 months after we split (my decision) and I know that she wasn't exactly told the full reasons because we got on well and she mentioned our breakup in passing to me - she seemed very happy and I wasn't going to piss on another woman's strawberries who wasn't involved , so I said nothing.

I would let it float over you but be aware that she may have reasons for feeling as she does that you are unaware of

BirmaBrite · 24/08/2022 20:51

In my late 50s and in a lovely relationship, DP and I have sports and hobbies in common and have made some great adventure travel plans

She didn't want to join in all these sports and hobbies or was it that she was the one stuck doing the grunt work of looking after the children whilst he got to enjoy his hobbies ?

Sparrownest1 · 24/08/2022 20:52

Crikeyalmighty · 24/08/2022 20:49

I think OP it's difficult. You can never 100% understand the dynamic between another couple nor 100% know they give you the full score of why a relationship ended- they will give you their version
sometimes there really isn't a reason. Maybe there were reasons they split over and above what he's told you and he doesn't want to go there- it's then sometimes easier to say you don't share the same vision etc-- it may be she would quite like to have done some of these things and that's not 100% the reason - hence why she feels hurt and is making silly comments. The reason I think this way is my ex husband 26 years ago met his wife 3 months after we split (my decision) and I know that she wasn't exactly told the full reasons because we got on well and she mentioned our breakup in passing to me - she seemed very happy and I wasn't going to piss on another woman's strawberries who wasn't involved , so I said nothing.

I would let it float over you but be aware that she may have reasons for feeling as she does that you are unaware of

Thank you this is useful advice.

OP posts:
Livelovebehappy · 24/08/2022 20:52

I think you sound a bit smug when asking us what you should do. It comes across as fake concern. There’s nothing wrong in voicing her disappointment that life hasn’t turned out as she planned, but just focus on your own life and your own future. No need to get enmeshed in hers.

EmmaH2022 · 24/08/2022 20:52

Sparrownest1 · 24/08/2022 20:39

I don’t want to make her life more difficult which is ridiculous I know. I don’t really understand how to deal with it because I’ve worked and planned my for own life and retirement having been divorced for years. Maybe I should just be tougher and not worry about it.

What exactly is it that you have to deal with? Who is telling you what she says?

is it your DP via the kids?

Outlyingtrout · 24/08/2022 20:54

What’s with all the “she didn’t want to do his hobbies” stuff? Like that makes it her fault that the marriage broke down or like she deserves to have had the rug whipped out from under her. Ditto “a retirement of luxury was expected” - why the fuck not if that’s what their combined marriage assets/pensions would have provided? Why is the onus on the wife to fall in line with her husband’s plans? I’m not surprised she’s angry and hurt if he’s decided, after a life together building wealth for the future, that actually he’s off to do what he wants and balls to her.

Sparrownest1 · 24/08/2022 20:56

BirmaBrite · 24/08/2022 20:51

In my late 50s and in a lovely relationship, DP and I have sports and hobbies in common and have made some great adventure travel plans

She didn't want to join in all these sports and hobbies or was it that she was the one stuck doing the grunt work of looking after the children whilst he got to enjoy his hobbies ?

He always did the hobbies with his children when they were younger, the XW didn’t go. Think weekends hiking, camping, cycling, canoeing. They still come occasionally.

OP posts:
daisychain01 · 24/08/2022 20:58

Sparrownest1 · 24/08/2022 18:47

In my late 50s and in a lovely relationship, DP and I have sports and hobbies in common and have made some great adventure travel plans. His XW tells everyone that I’ve stolen her retirement and now she can’t afford to do any of the things she was looking forward to. He had asked her to do many of these things but she just didn’t want to join him or be involved in his retirement dreams, so in the end this was part of the reason he left. I feel like I’m being made out to be a terrible person and don’t know if there is anything I can do.

So what do you expect and why do you care what she thinks? Do you need to give it a moment's thought?

Crack on with your lovely plans.

daisychain01 · 24/08/2022 21:00

I don’t want to make her life more difficult which is ridiculous I know.

Thats magnanimous of you.

Here have a 🎖

alwaysdarkestbeforedawn · 24/08/2022 21:00

Who is “everyone”? You said you didn’t know her before you met your partner. Do you coincidentally have lots of mutual friends? How are her complaints getting back to you? I’m not sure you need to do anything here. Surely your own friends and family won’t think you are terrible and I’d think anyone she speaks to will take it all with a pinch of salt. You’re the new woman so she was never likely to be your no. one fan! Just live your life and don’t worry about her.

2u2me2me2u · 24/08/2022 21:01

Wonnle · 24/08/2022 19:33

Not exactly everyone , she hasn't told me yet

Love this 😂

Wonnle · 24/08/2022 21:03

Johnnysgirl · 24/08/2022 20:13

What a shitty thing to even think of.

It made me smile to be honest , but I do have an odd sense of humour

Crikeyalmighty · 24/08/2022 21:04

@Outlyingtrout that kind of follows my line of thinking in my previous post. Unfortunately if he wanted to end it because she wasn't 100% into the same things-it's totally his prerogative- however the fact is if it's not a split she wanted she will feel pissed off and hurt if constantly told of the fun things he's got planned - that's just how it is and OP will just have to ignore it . Most people of a certain age come with baggage and his baggage is an ex wife who feels her plans were swiped from her.

lottiegarbanzo · 24/08/2022 21:04

'now she can’t afford to do any of the things SHE was looking forward to.'

Reading your OP straight, she's not saying that she wanted to do the things he wants to do. She's saying she wanted to do the things SHE wanted to do. Now she can't afford to, because she's unexpectedly running a solo household with less money.

Did he accept her suggestions, about doing things she wanted to do? Was there any discussion, any compromise?

He sounds rather 'my way or the highway' and 'you're welcome to join me in pursuing MY dreams... what, you have dreams of your own? Don't be silly', type. From what you've said.

I may just be responding to ambiguous wording in your OP of course.

Bellsbeachwaves · 24/08/2022 21:04

Funniest line is from @Crikeyalmighty about not wanting to piss on another woman's strawberries 🤣

Sparrownest1 · 24/08/2022 21:05

alwaysdarkestbeforedawn · 24/08/2022 21:00

Who is “everyone”? You said you didn’t know her before you met your partner. Do you coincidentally have lots of mutual friends? How are her complaints getting back to you? I’m not sure you need to do anything here. Surely your own friends and family won’t think you are terrible and I’d think anyone she speaks to will take it all with a pinch of salt. You’re the new woman so she was never likely to be your no. one fan! Just live your life and don’t worry about her.

I guess the children, a few friends who have remained mutual friends. Indeed I should just not worry about it.

OP posts:
FlissyPaps · 24/08/2022 21:06

Sparrownest1 · 24/08/2022 20:28

No she doesn’t think I stole her husband and no she’s not penniless but a retirement in luxury was expected.

So she was just with him for the money then???

EmmaH2022 · 24/08/2022 21:07

Sparrownest1 · 24/08/2022 21:05

I guess the children, a few friends who have remained mutual friends. Indeed I should just not worry about it.

I would tell them straight that you don't want to hear it. They shouldn't tell you, it's rude to her and you tbh.