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AIBU Would you be worried about this friendship?

335 replies

Lucyofthemichealcar · 13/05/2022 16:43

Background:
Married for 11 years and together for 17.
H very outgoing, fun loving and flirty but never had concerns. Similar personality to me, so a bit of flirty banter is fine so long as we both respect the line.
Since married neither or us go out as much and since kids deffo not.
Both of us have male and female friends. Being friendly with a woman doesn't bother me but the dynamic between these two has always seemed different but cannot put finger on it.

H and his work friend.
I would say she definitely fits into my H's 'type'. They teach together. They are in different departments so it does not sound as if they speak every day or every week but they do seem to catch up face to face at lunch or over messenger if it has been a few weeks. She goes back to the US every summer and as far as I know they go weeks then with no communication so they are not always in each others pockets but it seems in the school they are very much viewed as a pair, so get paired up to chaperone school events and over the years they have organised several trips together as they both say if they are stuck with colleagues for a week it needs to be someone they get on with and like and apparently because they trust each other to organise and not mess things up when carting around 50 odd teenagers. Looked at messages from her when I was in the throes of pregnant paranoia and the chat is friendly but mundane. Not even flirtatious. She asks after me and H about her partner. The tone is how he talks to all his other friends. We have had her round for dinner and she has also done the same and we have went for drinks together. All very nice and above board. Done the odd favour like making us a whole load of meals when our kitchen was getting renovated and doing a food shop when we had covid or helping with looking after cat when we were away but I just can't shake a feeling she does it all to look good to H. She is very American and brings round baking, goes all out at christmas and since I have known her has always given me and the kids gifts (all our birthdays are in Late Nov/Dec so they are birthday/xmas gifts). Her and H also always exchange birthday gifts but they are stupid cheap items as part of a running joke from work. She seems keen to be friends with me too and suggested going for a wine or doing a gym class but as I said something always seems off and never felt entirely comfortable around her in the 9 years her and H have been friendly.
She has a BF of 12 years but they have never married and don't cohabit which seems strange.

Why am I concerned?
Aside from being pregnant and crying at the drop of a hat, what has made me question it all is that three weeks ago my H stayed at her house overnight. She got a phonecall at work to say her mum had passed back in the states. Her partner was away on business and she had a meltdown at work. H brought her back to ours but she said she wanted to be at home, pack and get the first flight home. H took her back to her place. He came back after dropping her off and asked me if I minded him staying to keep an eye but i think he had pretty much made up his mind while I said yes or not. He stayed the night in her spare room and then drove her to the airport at 3am. At the time I did feel like she could have reChed out to other friends but i suppose if that was me I would be all over the place too. She and her BF came by a few days ago with a restaurant voucher for the two of us to say thank you for being there for us. We have two kids and I am seven months pregnant with our third. Is it hormones or should I be worried?

H sensed I wasn't okay when he came back after dropping her off and I said how I felt and he said there was and never had been anything between them that I could check through messages etc if it put my mind at ease but I don't know. Have asked friends in the past and they have said it is a bit of an unusal one but probably because as a society we generally are uspicious of male female friendships unless they have been sustained through childhood and adolescence.

AIBU?

OP posts:
RitaFaircloughsWig · 14/05/2022 17:48

This American woman reminds me of the one who posted here about messaging with a married guy and him not texting her while his wife was about to give birth. This was a couple of months ago. She used to give gifts etc and she was told by MN basically to move on and get a life. I will try to find it.

SlatsandFlaps · 14/05/2022 17:51

RitaFaircloughsWig · 14/05/2022 17:48

This American woman reminds me of the one who posted here about messaging with a married guy and him not texting her while his wife was about to give birth. This was a couple of months ago. She used to give gifts etc and she was told by MN basically to move on and get a life. I will try to find it.

That would be relatively amusing if it turned out to be the same woman! (Not for OP though, I realise of course)

Lucyofthemichealcar · 14/05/2022 17:58

Well some of you don't hold back!

Thank you to those who also get the feeling the sun doesn't shine out her arse.

I do think I will bring this up with DH because even if he does not think it is an issue, my feelings matter and should take priority over a casual work friendship.

My children are too young to notice anything and they do not have much contact with her unless we bump into her at shops etc or on the occassions she came round to ours for dinner or we were at hers. She is very good with children but you would expect that as she is a teacher.
DC ofcourse bloody loved her because she turned up with sweets. As they are
4 and 6 I think that would have been something you check first with parents though as it is a bit young to be turning up with that sort of thing without checking first.
I was miffed by my MIL offer following the house stay. My best friend who she has met several.times was staying in the same village the same year and she never extended the offer to my friend so she isn't that friendly. DH's friend meanwhile
took a detour of 10 miles
from where they were staying to visit my MIL so it wasn't as if they were popping by. I think DH also engineered them meeting
because he asked her to drop off something while she was down that
MIL
had left behind when we could have just posted it or waited until MIL came again but apparently she neded her knitting bag as a matter of urgency. In all fairness It was me that took advantage of her house being free as it meant MIL and FIL were not here all the time. However MIL left a note for her in her house on leaving to say pop by and visit.

The silly presumptiousness
things wind me up like how she brings round baking and it always happens to be the sort of flavours/bakes DH likes or how everyone connected to my DH that seems to meet her say how lovely she is. His friend I haven't met becoming FB friends after a few hours, his dad who is mono syllabic mentioning her being a nice girl when she visited. My MIL telling her and her BF they could come visit anytime. Even the fact that the gifts for the children are not my style irritates me. I changed the clothes she got for both kids this Xmas mostly because I just did not want her imposing her taste on my kids. She also seems to be spot on with the gifts even though she doesn't have children herself which means I think DH must talk about them.to her behind my back. Even I know that is petty but I am at that stage now. I have used the gifts she bought me mostly because I told her my favourite wine and chocolates and that tends to be what she gets me every year.

I raised the shipping and mum and dad thing with DH. He said he does not mention anything about his home life to the kids at school as they always want to know more. It also does not help that we all have the last surname but spelt differently. They know he is married not to his friend and has kids. He said he cannot control what they do other than say 'that's enough' and remind them.of boundaries and what is appropriate to say about teachers and that the school is like a wee universe to the kids and they match people up regardless of martial status.
I'm glad someone else thinks the parent's comment was out of line. When I raised it he said it was because on the trip the teachers were at the front of the bus and the tour guide one day said to DH and friend, okay mom and dad you lead the front and said to the two slightly older teachers they were the gran and grandad at the back. The kids on the trip then used those titles jokingly for the rest of the trip. Again though it annoys me people see them together and think they would make a good couple.

I don't know if she relies on her other friends as well as my DH. There's enough photos up in her house and friends on FB that suggests she has plenty of friends. Her and DH do go weeks without communication but regardless of how much time that passes my husband still thought he was close enough to her to pay a substantial role in helping her after her mum died. There would have been other people in the school.that day so why was my DH the one to get involved? My sane non crazy brain is telling me it is because we stay close by but I also think she possibly manipulated it to get him to come to her aid rather than others in her department and floor. She obviously has been telling people about DH and what he did as well otherwise why would her dad reach out and why would she
and her BF buy a £100 voucher. Even after her BF arrived to be with her in the states my DH still text her twice to ask how she was. I told him to leave her alone and stop bothering her but again he just looked at me like i was crazy. To think she has been mooning about him to her family and even her own BF like some sort of hero is a bit questionable.

I would not say he is running round there all the time or that she is asking for his help very often but I get the sense she would only need to reach out and he would go help her and I don't think it is appropriate for another woman to think she can have that level of control with a married man.

OP posts:
Lucyofthemichealcar · 14/05/2022 18:01

Thankfully that is not me or her (though who knows maybe husband collecting is ger thing) but her tone seems like the sort of tone I imagine her to have. I could have an affair with him if I wanted but I'm too nice to ever do such a thing I just like having male friends.

OP posts:
SmellyWellyWoo · 14/05/2022 18:10

I would hate the situation and her too, OP. I get it.

SlatsandFlaps · 14/05/2022 18:12

@Lucyofthemichealcar Her card thanking us for being there on the worst days of her life also came across as being overly dramatic.

I'm sorry but you completely lost my interest after this ⬆️ What a truly, truly vile thing to say about another human being who has just lost their mother. Almost sociopathic

TedMullins · 14/05/2022 18:17

Nope, nothing you say is making me even vaguely begin to relate to you. In fact the more you post the more I hope your H realises what a piece of work you are and does some serious thinking about his relationship. Seriously, if I was in his position and I read everything you’ve written on here today, I wouldn’t feel very confident in the fundamental character of the person I’d married.

You might think I’m just being nasty, but I’m saying this because I used to be like you. Bitter, jealous and suspicious of other women, bitchy and snarky and belittling and unempathetic. And you know what? It was nothing to do with other women. It was me. I hated myself and hated that rational people had room to like and care for other people as well as me, because it made me feel like I wasn’t enough. I’m a much nicer person after a few years of therapy.

Persuasion14 · 14/05/2022 18:19

It's hardly sociopathic. OP's feelings are understandable. OP is being put in this absurd position of having to be deeply ingrained into this woman's life and the events within it when she barely knows her and has her own life to live with her family! After all the tumult she might be forgiven for wanting to maybe just get on with her own life rather than being sent constant reminders of someone else's?

Myotherusernamewastakenagain · 14/05/2022 18:21

You get worse with every post, get help for your jealousy or you might end up losing him.

Persuasion14 · 14/05/2022 18:22

"In fact the more you post the more I hope your H realises what a piece of work you are and does some serious thinking about his relationship." Jeez. What a thing to say to someone. Just absurd.

LostAndLonely2022 · 14/05/2022 18:22

OP I think some of the comments on here have been mean, but I still think your judgement is being clouded by hormones.

Lucyofthemichealcar · 14/05/2022 18:24

@SlatsandFlaps you don't think the following is a but much. It is basically a love letter in plain sight to my husband as she knows damn well i did not do anything.

To × & ×
From the bottom of my heart I cannot thank you enough for the kindness, empathy and support you have provided over the past few weeks. I don't know how I would have coped or even functioned without your compassion and care that day. I feel utterly broken hearted and so unbelievably sad but having such good friends close by means the world when my world has got that little bit duller and I navigate my new normal. I adored my mom, she was the best and she always saw the best in people. I wish you could have met her because she would have loved you both and your kind souls.Those moments when you picked me up and showed me such care will stay with me all my days, it is the kindness she showed me, encouraged me to have and exactly what i needed in that moment so thank you, I don't think I can repay such kindness but i will be forever thankful fir it, here is a token of our gratitude. Enjoy it and life as it is unfortunately over all too soon.

OP posts:
Myotherusernamewastakenagain · 14/05/2022 18:29

Lucyofthemichealcar · 14/05/2022 18:24

@SlatsandFlaps you don't think the following is a but much. It is basically a love letter in plain sight to my husband as she knows damn well i did not do anything.

To × & ×
From the bottom of my heart I cannot thank you enough for the kindness, empathy and support you have provided over the past few weeks. I don't know how I would have coped or even functioned without your compassion and care that day. I feel utterly broken hearted and so unbelievably sad but having such good friends close by means the world when my world has got that little bit duller and I navigate my new normal. I adored my mom, she was the best and she always saw the best in people. I wish you could have met her because she would have loved you both and your kind souls.Those moments when you picked me up and showed me such care will stay with me all my days, it is the kindness she showed me, encouraged me to have and exactly what i needed in that moment so thank you, I don't think I can repay such kindness but i will be forever thankful fir it, here is a token of our gratitude. Enjoy it and life as it is unfortunately over all too soon.

What a lovely letter she wrote, she's a lovely, thoughtful person from everything you've written.

SmellyWellyWoo · 14/05/2022 18:30

OP that letter would strike me as ridiculous and over blown. I do totally understand how you feel. Maybe we are just meanies! 🤣

user1471442488 · 14/05/2022 18:32

She sounds lovely. You don’t.

Besttobe8001 · 14/05/2022 18:32

You think your husband talks to his friends about your kids 'behind your back'?

WesleyNeverDies · 14/05/2022 18:38

That reads to me like a really heartfelt letter from a sincere person. And she specifically says 'you both', so it's not just to your DH.

Maybe it's a cultural difference- we're still pretty 'stiff upper lip' and all that, generally. People who are open and warm about their feelings can come across as over the top in British culture, I guess.

Everything you've said about her makes me think she's a really nice person, but I get that that's not really what you want to hear.

The only thing is, if I were in your shoes, I wouldn't be happy about my DH being alone with her at her house for hours the night her mum died. I absolutely get her need for someone, for support, and why your DH wanted to help her at that horrible time. But I would definitely consider that inappropriate as a solution, and would be even more unhappy that my DH would prioritize her feelings over mine- even at such an exceptional moment in her life. Her tragedy doesn't make him suddenly not my husband for the day.

I think I would have suggested that DH help her get to the airport, but not be at her house for hours in the meantime. But what's done is done now.

I hope you can find a way forward, it does seem a difficult situation. But truly, she does come off as a nice person, thoughtful, generous. If she's secretly a psycho husband stalker, she's hiding it extremely well.

Persuasion14 · 14/05/2022 18:39

OP, I understand your feelings and where you are coming from! Ignore all the mud-slingers. Who really knows what this woman is all about? Maybe she's lonely, maybe it's nothing.
I do think once your little one arrives that she will automatically bow out gracefully and fade into the background so try to forget about her in the meantime!

SparklingStars10 · 14/05/2022 19:46

If it’s making you uncomfortable then you need to let your Husband know this. I have had male friends who I have been very good friends with but that’s all it has been, friendship. Only you know what you are comfortable with.

grapewines · 14/05/2022 19:49

Myotherusernamewastakenagain · 14/05/2022 18:21

You get worse with every post, get help for your jealousy or you might end up losing him.

This. There is nothing wrong with that letter, OP. Nothing.

grapewines · 14/05/2022 19:52

Actually, it's really unkind of you to post it online on a public forum as a manner of showing how a bereaved woman's gratitude to you and your husband, who classes her as a friend, "is a bit much." Have a word with yourself.

Movingonup22 · 14/05/2022 20:09

your response to the letter says a lot about your own inner emotional state and your approach to interpersonal relationships. That you are so judgemental about her for not being married speaks volumes. This should surely make you less worried she wants to “steal your husband”!!

you are perfectly entitled to not want to have that sort of interaction with someone - but that doesn’t mean that there is something dysfunctional about the woman. You also need to think about how it is reasonable to impose your own issues on your husband.

it is really really really not a love letter to your husband. At all.

LimpBiskit · 14/05/2022 20:35

OP, every post you make digs you into a deeper hole of unpleasantness. Maybe it's your hormones, but your husband's friend seems lovely and not a threat to you in any way.

AramintaLee · 14/05/2022 20:53

That letter seems like someone who is incredibly grateful for being supported during what must have been one of the worst moments of her life.

The fact that she chose to include you, despite you acknowledging that you didn't even really do anything, shows how much she respects you and your marriage. Had she just addressed the letter to your DH, I'm sure you would have kicked off about that.

The poor woman can't win.