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AIBU Would you be worried about this friendship?

335 replies

Lucyofthemichealcar · 13/05/2022 16:43

Background:
Married for 11 years and together for 17.
H very outgoing, fun loving and flirty but never had concerns. Similar personality to me, so a bit of flirty banter is fine so long as we both respect the line.
Since married neither or us go out as much and since kids deffo not.
Both of us have male and female friends. Being friendly with a woman doesn't bother me but the dynamic between these two has always seemed different but cannot put finger on it.

H and his work friend.
I would say she definitely fits into my H's 'type'. They teach together. They are in different departments so it does not sound as if they speak every day or every week but they do seem to catch up face to face at lunch or over messenger if it has been a few weeks. She goes back to the US every summer and as far as I know they go weeks then with no communication so they are not always in each others pockets but it seems in the school they are very much viewed as a pair, so get paired up to chaperone school events and over the years they have organised several trips together as they both say if they are stuck with colleagues for a week it needs to be someone they get on with and like and apparently because they trust each other to organise and not mess things up when carting around 50 odd teenagers. Looked at messages from her when I was in the throes of pregnant paranoia and the chat is friendly but mundane. Not even flirtatious. She asks after me and H about her partner. The tone is how he talks to all his other friends. We have had her round for dinner and she has also done the same and we have went for drinks together. All very nice and above board. Done the odd favour like making us a whole load of meals when our kitchen was getting renovated and doing a food shop when we had covid or helping with looking after cat when we were away but I just can't shake a feeling she does it all to look good to H. She is very American and brings round baking, goes all out at christmas and since I have known her has always given me and the kids gifts (all our birthdays are in Late Nov/Dec so they are birthday/xmas gifts). Her and H also always exchange birthday gifts but they are stupid cheap items as part of a running joke from work. She seems keen to be friends with me too and suggested going for a wine or doing a gym class but as I said something always seems off and never felt entirely comfortable around her in the 9 years her and H have been friendly.
She has a BF of 12 years but they have never married and don't cohabit which seems strange.

Why am I concerned?
Aside from being pregnant and crying at the drop of a hat, what has made me question it all is that three weeks ago my H stayed at her house overnight. She got a phonecall at work to say her mum had passed back in the states. Her partner was away on business and she had a meltdown at work. H brought her back to ours but she said she wanted to be at home, pack and get the first flight home. H took her back to her place. He came back after dropping her off and asked me if I minded him staying to keep an eye but i think he had pretty much made up his mind while I said yes or not. He stayed the night in her spare room and then drove her to the airport at 3am. At the time I did feel like she could have reChed out to other friends but i suppose if that was me I would be all over the place too. She and her BF came by a few days ago with a restaurant voucher for the two of us to say thank you for being there for us. We have two kids and I am seven months pregnant with our third. Is it hormones or should I be worried?

H sensed I wasn't okay when he came back after dropping her off and I said how I felt and he said there was and never had been anything between them that I could check through messages etc if it put my mind at ease but I don't know. Have asked friends in the past and they have said it is a bit of an unusal one but probably because as a society we generally are uspicious of male female friendships unless they have been sustained through childhood and adolescence.

AIBU?

OP posts:
Zoooooom · 10/06/2022 17:21

I do see where you're coming from as I find over the top niceness from people you don't even know well as irritating and try hard, just as I dons gushing annoying.
I do think too many posters on here are taking delight in telling you that she's 'bloody lovely' and that you're the devil in their eyes.
I can totally get why it makes you uncomfortable.
I'd just never mention her again, just be very nonchalant about her and act like she doesn't exist. Not be rude, but just act like she's of zero importance to your life, which she isn't.
If they end up together you'll have had a lucky escape.
The letter she wrote you was really OTT. I don't personally know any Americans and if that's just how they are, but the constant over the top niceness is annoying and too much.
You can't stop him seeing her but i totally get why it makes you uncomfortable.
Just ignore her existence, never mention her again to him, and whatever happens the outcome will be good for you

Northbynorthbreast · 10/06/2022 17:40

Wow you really sound like a scary piece of work. I’d caution you not to push a good man away.

Eightiesfan · 10/06/2022 17:43

I do not think OP is over-reacting or trying to control her husband. There have been some really vitriolic comments on here. Some posters are throwing the same kinds of slurs that cheating men feed their partners. Some examples are:

You’re…
controlling
jealous
imagining things..we’re just friends…we share interests…just work colleagues
crazy
ruining the relationship

OP does not like this women as her motives do not come across as innocent. I would not be happy with half of this. Her husband should always put his wife ahead of any friendship.

Some of you have clearly drunk the Kool Aid and would be quite happy if your husbands or partners behaved like this. I and many others would not accept this. They are WORK colleagues, they are not friends they’ve known since childhood.

His friendship with this woman should be so far down the food chain of relationships, it should be the equivalent of algae compared to the one with his wife. The fact that he seems to be putting this woman’s wants and feelings above the wants and feelings of his pregnant wife is abhorrent.

Aria999 · 11/06/2022 12:45

I think it counts as an emotional affair.

OP you are coming across as a bit full on sometimes (and therefore getting some negative responses) because clearly you really hate this woman and hatred can be ugly.

But I am not sure you're unreasonable to hate her.

montysma1 · 12/06/2022 07:16

Its probably crossed the line now if it hadn't before.
But you honestly sound such high maintainance and so unpleasant that I am not sure I blame him.

Beefcurtains79 · 12/06/2022 07:37

I dontt to think you sound high maintenance at all, and I certainly would blame a man who branded his pregnant wife ‘mental’ with earshot of his children.

Introvertedbuthappy · 12/06/2022 08:27

Gosh, the amount of vitriol you have for this poor woman is breath-taking. She really can do nothing right, can she? She includes you and your children in invitations, has tried to befriend you and been nothing but nice.

She's American, and an expat. I'm an expat and it's a lonely life at times and the friends you make abroad do become your family, particularly work colleagues as that is the main place you build up your network. In my experience, Americans can come across as overly familiar and very much 'heart on your sleeve' and I've seen how some of our British colleagues regard a couple of the Americans who work at our school with suspicion. I've also literally heard about one of my amazing colleagues "no one is that nice" - well, she is! In fact, next year she's offered me and my family to come and stay with her in LA.

I feel really sorry for your husband and his friend. I can understand your jealousy given some of the crass and stupid comments parents have made, but it seems that all she is guilty of is being too nice a person and being a bit lonely in a country she's not a native of.

Crystalvas · 12/06/2022 10:37

Op I don’t think you are controlling. Personally I would not be comfortable with the intrusion either. She emersed herself in your life enough. Your a family unit. DH should prioritise your feeling above hers. Sending you that letter was a further intrusion and innappropriate. Its clear from your DH reaction your feelings arent taken into considerstion. Maybe ask him to consider marraige counselling as you can’t go on this way.

disco82 · 12/06/2022 10:45

Introvertedbuthappy · 12/06/2022 08:27

Gosh, the amount of vitriol you have for this poor woman is breath-taking. She really can do nothing right, can she? She includes you and your children in invitations, has tried to befriend you and been nothing but nice.

She's American, and an expat. I'm an expat and it's a lonely life at times and the friends you make abroad do become your family, particularly work colleagues as that is the main place you build up your network. In my experience, Americans can come across as overly familiar and very much 'heart on your sleeve' and I've seen how some of our British colleagues regard a couple of the Americans who work at our school with suspicion. I've also literally heard about one of my amazing colleagues "no one is that nice" - well, she is! In fact, next year she's offered me and my family to come and stay with her in LA.

I feel really sorry for your husband and his friend. I can understand your jealousy given some of the crass and stupid comments parents have made, but it seems that all she is guilty of is being too nice a person and being a bit lonely in a country she's not a native of.

Not everyone needs to like or want nice people in their life. There's millions of them in the world - and we all get to choose who we want in our families! Also one person's nice is another person's suffocating and intrusive. Being nice also requires an understanding of how someone else perceives you. I'm an expat too and yes it can get lonely, but that's my problem. If for NINE years someone's wife hasn't liked me, I would take the hint, leave them alone and not try convincing her with cards and presents. And find other friends. Also her loneliness and need for family dont trump OP's need for space! I mean it's hardly unreasonable that a women with a third child on the way wants some privacy and space in her life for her family, and not to foster a lonely adult woman who incidentally has a partner and other friends and a family. Would we be pressuring a woman to date a man just because he's 'nice'? Or respect her decision that as nice as he may be she doesn't want him around.

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have wanted to be besties with mother Teresa or have my in-laws comparing me to her as much as I can respect her from a distance.

Onthedunes · 12/06/2022 13:01

I feel really sorry for your husband and his friend. I can understand
your jealousy given some of the crass and stupid comments parents have
made

You mean posters, not parents.

I feel really sorry for you op and your children. I can understand other posters, posting rude and gaslighting posts, it clearly hits a nerve with some people, maybe due to ignorance and intruding on 'others' lives and not wishing to aknowledge that.

Bit of a concience prick.

Back off, mind your own buisness and don't get involved, good advice when someone is married.

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