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AIBU Would you be worried about this friendship?

335 replies

Lucyofthemichealcar · 13/05/2022 16:43

Background:
Married for 11 years and together for 17.
H very outgoing, fun loving and flirty but never had concerns. Similar personality to me, so a bit of flirty banter is fine so long as we both respect the line.
Since married neither or us go out as much and since kids deffo not.
Both of us have male and female friends. Being friendly with a woman doesn't bother me but the dynamic between these two has always seemed different but cannot put finger on it.

H and his work friend.
I would say she definitely fits into my H's 'type'. They teach together. They are in different departments so it does not sound as if they speak every day or every week but they do seem to catch up face to face at lunch or over messenger if it has been a few weeks. She goes back to the US every summer and as far as I know they go weeks then with no communication so they are not always in each others pockets but it seems in the school they are very much viewed as a pair, so get paired up to chaperone school events and over the years they have organised several trips together as they both say if they are stuck with colleagues for a week it needs to be someone they get on with and like and apparently because they trust each other to organise and not mess things up when carting around 50 odd teenagers. Looked at messages from her when I was in the throes of pregnant paranoia and the chat is friendly but mundane. Not even flirtatious. She asks after me and H about her partner. The tone is how he talks to all his other friends. We have had her round for dinner and she has also done the same and we have went for drinks together. All very nice and above board. Done the odd favour like making us a whole load of meals when our kitchen was getting renovated and doing a food shop when we had covid or helping with looking after cat when we were away but I just can't shake a feeling she does it all to look good to H. She is very American and brings round baking, goes all out at christmas and since I have known her has always given me and the kids gifts (all our birthdays are in Late Nov/Dec so they are birthday/xmas gifts). Her and H also always exchange birthday gifts but they are stupid cheap items as part of a running joke from work. She seems keen to be friends with me too and suggested going for a wine or doing a gym class but as I said something always seems off and never felt entirely comfortable around her in the 9 years her and H have been friendly.
She has a BF of 12 years but they have never married and don't cohabit which seems strange.

Why am I concerned?
Aside from being pregnant and crying at the drop of a hat, what has made me question it all is that three weeks ago my H stayed at her house overnight. She got a phonecall at work to say her mum had passed back in the states. Her partner was away on business and she had a meltdown at work. H brought her back to ours but she said she wanted to be at home, pack and get the first flight home. H took her back to her place. He came back after dropping her off and asked me if I minded him staying to keep an eye but i think he had pretty much made up his mind while I said yes or not. He stayed the night in her spare room and then drove her to the airport at 3am. At the time I did feel like she could have reChed out to other friends but i suppose if that was me I would be all over the place too. She and her BF came by a few days ago with a restaurant voucher for the two of us to say thank you for being there for us. We have two kids and I am seven months pregnant with our third. Is it hormones or should I be worried?

H sensed I wasn't okay when he came back after dropping her off and I said how I felt and he said there was and never had been anything between them that I could check through messages etc if it put my mind at ease but I don't know. Have asked friends in the past and they have said it is a bit of an unusal one but probably because as a society we generally are uspicious of male female friendships unless they have been sustained through childhood and adolescence.

AIBU?

OP posts:
420Bruh · 14/05/2022 00:30

Your husband sounds like a good friend that's all. It would have been incredibly intense for him to be supporting her through the immediate aftermath of her MOTHER'S DEATH and I'm not surprised that he was nonplussed by your sudden jealousy. YABU.

Moser85 · 14/05/2022 01:40

If anything happened between them on the night her mother died then your husband would be a predator and complete and utter bastard.

He brought her back to your house when it happened and I very much doubt he would do that if something was going on between them. She wanted to go home and pack, totally understandable and normal.

There was also nothing dramatic at all about the card, and it's odd that you think that she would use the help as justification to become super involved in your family life as some kind of replacement family.

Libertybear80 · 14/05/2022 02:45

Normally when I read these threads. I'm 98% leave the b. He's cheating but in this case. No it just sounds like it's on the level and transparent.

Besttobe8001 · 14/05/2022 02:52

Lucyofthemichealcar · 13/05/2022 23:56

Thank you for the feedback. I think a large part is hormones. I just cannot shake this feeling of there being more. I suppose I thought my H would be very apologetic when I told him how I felt especially as she is a woman but as there is nothing going on, he found my reaction a bit odd and told me there was no reason to feel jealous or put out.
Which i suppose highlights it very much is friendship. He said it was okay if I didn't want to be friends with her but he is and that there are some of my friends he isn't keen on but his not wanting to socialise with them is no reason for me to stop. If it was a man I probably would not be thinking like this, it is due to her being an unmarried pretty woman.

I'm sure she wasn't thinking about doing anything with my H the night her mum died but his protectiveness seemed a bit much for a work friend and had me worried he is attracted to her in some way. Her card thanking us for being there on the worst days of her life also came across as being overly dramatic. She is an only child so I don't want this event to result in her becoming reliant on my H or using it as justification to be super involved with us in 'thanks' for our helping her.

The fact that she sent the card to both of you even tho it was really only your husband that helped says a lot. It sounds like she's desperately trying to include you and be friends with both of you and it's you that's stopping that. I'm the same as pp. that usually I am suspicious of this kind of scenario but in this case I'm not.

PurrBox · 14/05/2022 03:03

Agree that your husband was being a good friend at a time of trouble.

His friend sounds like a kind and thoughtful person, making multiple meals for you, including you in her friendship with your husband, remembering your children.

This is the good side of nice Americans- we can be friendly and generous in a free and easy way which seems to make some English people suspicious. Americans get blamed for a lot of bad things (often justly), but please can we have credit for the good qualities of disinterested generosity and friendly openness which we often have too?

Undertheoldlindentree · 14/05/2022 03:21

2bazookas · 13/05/2022 18:42

With her mother dead, partner away, and facing a 3 am transatlantic flight I really really don't think she was in the mood for a quick shag.

Your husband sounds lovely.

How he took care of a bereaved friend in shock ( and came home to consult you) is a great credit to him and your marriage.

Agree with all the comments in this post. However, nobody here is living this, except you. If you can't reconcile yourself to the situation (and he still says there's nothing going on), you have to consider whether you can accept that or start looking to end a relationship that's making you unhappy.

Aria999 · 14/05/2022 03:32

She sounds nice and like pp it sounds like a genuine friendship.

I wonder if you a bit jealous of the friendship? It's quite a big, committed friendship and it probably takes up some time and emotional effort for your DH, leaving him less time and emotional space for you.

When DH and I lived apart he had a best female friend who he probably spent as much time with as me, as we could only see each other at weekends. I like her, but when I moved to the same city as him there was definite friction- I felt I needed to oust her from the areas of his free time that I wanted to move into.

LivingDeadGirlUK · 14/05/2022 04:21

There is nothing in your op that would concern me. It sounds like you have already spoken to your husband and had him reassure you.

I think your update is horrible though, her mum has died and your calling her an over dramatic 'unmarried' woman. Hopefully its just the hormones.

MMM3 · 14/05/2022 05:11

You left out one minor yet extremely important detail until your last post- she’s pretty.

The relationship didn’t bother you until the not remotely suspicious event 3 weeks ago…? And you’re pregnant.

Are you feeling unattractive? It’s pretty common to go through a teary “I’m a cow and why do you even love me?!?” phase and I’m sure it would be uncomfortable to feel that way near a pretty, bubbly woman your husband is protective towards.

Changedagain876 · 14/05/2022 05:19

I don’t think you have anything to worry about but I get why you’d feel jealous x

Herecomesthesunshine · 14/05/2022 05:55

Yabu - I would not be worried at all.

You have read their messages previously and they have nothing to hide.

He didnt stay overnight, he stayed late to take her to the airport because her mother died.

I am unsure why you think her being unmarried means she might be after your DH. She's in a relationship.

It sounds like the relationship I have with a few male co workers. We are good friends because we spend so much time together and have a huge amount in common due to work. I'm at work 40 hours a week and they understand my work stresses better than my DP (of 15 years). There is absolutely zero attraction.

She is trying to be friends with you as well. Its really hard to make friends in a new country when people already have existing friendships.

I'm sorry but I do think yabu and your judgement is off here.

HandScreen · 14/05/2022 06:08

Don't trust your gut when your this hormonal. It'll be wrong.

Iflyaway · 14/05/2022 06:31

Personally I'd never let a friend drive bereaved and in shock to the airport at 3am

Hmmm, are you on 24/7 personal call for friends?

I'm not. We all have stuff to deal with. Whether personal, family, work situations.
Which cause us to drop stuff at the last minute.

I'd have called a taxi.

Personally, I'd expect him to stay home with his pregnant wife. Knowing the weird emotions during pregnancy....

I had a premature birth at 8 months

Iflyaway · 14/05/2022 06:33

Don't trust your gut when your this hormonal. It'll be wrong.

Sorry, can't agree with this. Your gut (or intuition) is always right, even during pregnancy.

beachcitygirl · 14/05/2022 06:38

I'm not seeing any red flags at all. He sounds a great guy & she doesn't seem sneaky at all OP. Prob just hormones x

boronia · 14/05/2022 06:56

Just seems like they're great work friends.
She also sounds lovely.
I think you're worrying about nothing.

layladomino · 14/05/2022 07:50

There is nothing in your post that makes me think they are doing anything wrong. It all rings absolutely true as two good work friends. And she has tried to include you more. You have every right to refuse that of course, but I think it gives more context, showing she is friendly and trying to be friends with you as a couple not just him.

I'm shocked you think she was 'over dramatic' about her mum dying being the worst night of her life. I'm sure it was. She happened to be at work when she got the news and your DH did what I would do for any of my work colleagues (not even ones I'm aprticularly friendly with) and made sure she was OK, especially as her BF wasn't around. He stayed with her and drive her to the airport at 3am. I'm pretty sure they weren't getting it on as she packed her things in shock at having lost a parent.

He sounds like a good person, helping a friend.

CloudPine · 14/05/2022 08:02

It’s sad that men and women can’t be friends without suspicion being raised. I’m good friends with several married men, and am never sure their wives feel comfortable about it. And I bat for the other team.

HollowTalk · 14/05/2022 08:08

Why didn't she call on her boyfriend? I could understand her asking your husband for help if she didn't have a boyfriend, but she does. Where was he in all this?

EarringsandLipstick · 14/05/2022 08:32

Her partner was away on business

This is why, hollowtalk

HandScreen · 14/05/2022 09:57

Iflyaway · 14/05/2022 06:33

Don't trust your gut when your this hormonal. It'll be wrong.

Sorry, can't agree with this. Your gut (or intuition) is always right, even during pregnancy.

Lol!

Littlepaws18 · 14/05/2022 10:21

Each individual event can be explained as friendship, however to me he seems to be turning himself into her knight in shining armour and that isn't his role. The night her mom died, her boyf should have dropped everything he was doing to be with her because that support should have come from him. But your husband stepped into his role. School life is very intense and they don't have to organise school events together they choose too.

He is getting too dependent on her, you need to have a discussion about how that will ultimately impact your relationship.

LostAndLonely2022 · 14/05/2022 10:28

OP I think it's your hormones talking.

Your DH sounds like a loving, caring and loyal friend. I'm the female friend in this scenario and my male friends would all have done this for me if I needed them to - that's what close friends do for each other. If it helps, try to think of it this way; if you were advising your son about the right thing to do in this scenario would you suggest he abandon a close friend who was alone in a crisis? I specifically just used the word 'friend' because I think your judgement is being clouded by the fact that she's a woman.

RitaFaircloughsWig · 14/05/2022 10:35

Do they message each other out of work?
How often do you see her socially as a couple?
Does he ever see her alone out of work without a school context?
Has he ever had to do a crisis event before?
I hope all of these answers are no or not very often.
As I said before I do not think there is anything to worry about BUT he and you will have your hands full with three children. You are at different life stages - your H's priority should be your family.

Lochjeda · 14/05/2022 10:40

RitaFaircloughsWig · 14/05/2022 10:35

Do they message each other out of work?
How often do you see her socially as a couple?
Does he ever see her alone out of work without a school context?
Has he ever had to do a crisis event before?
I hope all of these answers are no or not very often.
As I said before I do not think there is anything to worry about BUT he and you will have your hands full with three children. You are at different life stages - your H's priority should be your family.

Did you not read her posts, this is all explained!

Op, I don't think you have anything to worry about and think your last update about finding her thank you card "dramatic" saying it was the worst day of her life, really short sighted. She is an only child, her mother died on the other side of the Atlantic, whilst her partner was away I'm pretty sure it quite literally was the worst day of her life.