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lawyerbunny1978 · 01/05/2022 13:02

I would welcome advice, please. Please read, I'm at the end of my chain.

My OH has a son and daughter. Daughter (H) is 27 and lives in his flat with her friend. Son (T) is 18, about to take his A-levels and lives with ex-wife. I have a 4 and a 7 year old.

My OH and I met 2 1/2 years ago, when he was separating from ex-wife. She's fed all kinds of poison into the well, after she found out about me but that's OT and I am clear that I was nothing to do with their marriage ending.

T and H won't meet me. They have consistently refused to, saying they needed 'time to adjust', then 'we need to build back our relationship with you, Dad, then we'll see', but ignoring me throughout, wanting their 'old Dad' back. They set curfew times for him for 5 months, so he had to be home by 6pm, so he could see me in the day in lockdown, to help with my childcare, but nothing more. Today, they're still 'emotionally unready', so I can't meet them, can't meet his parents etc.

The ex wife has conveyed many messages of 'you're a nobody, you don't exist for us'. I can tune her out, though that's been hurtful, but we're now 2.5 years in and I am in therapy, on anti-depressants, you name it.

My question is around this Summer. Without being specific, we are both into a big hobby scene that involves public events at a big level. Huge investment of time, lots of effort and you're literally on display and people come out to see you. Let's pretend it's top level eventing, Badminton time (it isn't!).

I have enjoyed this hobby for decades, before and after children, well before I met OH. It's obviously become a large part of our social life now, with mutual friends. OH has the kit. T has grown up around it. H isn't interested, but protective of T.

T and ex-wife have, to me, weoponised this hobby, tried to keep me out of what's 'theirs' as they see it. With lockdowns, and few events happening, we've got away with it for 2 years, but the chips are down this year. Last year OH and I felt solid, he was standing up to them and expecting them to join in to our world together, or be adults and opt out with respect for OH and me.

This year, he's doing the opposite. Saying to T he can have his 'exclusive' time with Daddy and asking me to be 'magnanimous' and drop out. I would gladly do that to give them space, believe me. But for T that means me not attending any events at all. I can't be on the same field, or he won't go. I can't go as public, camping miles away and won't see him, if he knows I'm going to be there, as I've done for 15+ years, he won't attend .

By way of example, at the end of May we're due to attend an event. I will help on all the set-up, but am then asked to say away for the next 3 days. I am told that I can't take my kids along for an ice cream for 30 minutes, because if I do, T won't go at all, because of his 'emotions'.

My children have grown up in this world, too. I have many friends that I won't see, if I don't go. I know this isn't right, OH knows it isn't right. I'm faced with turning my back on a hugely important part of my and my children's life, to save a relationship I'm not even sure is worth it, if I'm treated like this.

Any advice and comment appreciated, I really am at the end of my chain.

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TheSpottedZebra · 01/05/2022 20:30

Honestly, did he cheat on her with you?

LovePoppy · 01/05/2022 20:31

His children are surrogates btw

wtf does this have to do with anything?

LTB or stay, those are your choices. But his children are not abusing you. If you are being abused, it’s your partner doing it.

TheSpottedZebra · 01/05/2022 20:31

lawyerbunny1978 · 01/05/2022 20:22

Not as less his children. MORE his children, surely? Years of research and trust in different women to make those babies.

Wait, are they less HER children, that barren old un-woman?

lawyerbunny1978 · 01/05/2022 20:31

youvegottenminuteslynn · 01/05/2022 20:03

Of course it's good to spend time with biological children. His children are surrogates btw.

Oof. Not cool OP, really not cool. What a shitty thing to say as it's entirely irrelevant.

You have me massively out of context.

God bless the internet.

You want to know the full picture? Go ahead.

My OH met his wife when he was 20 years old and she was 40, back in the 90s. She had had a hysterectomy and could have no more children. She had two already, who were in their teens.

My OH found a way for them to have children through surrogates, two woman nearly 15 years apart. His wife was 56 when the second child was born and yes, that was very tough for her.

Since you ask, and say "oof", I'll tell you what they did next and maybe you'll pm me and we'll have coffee and that'll all be fine

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Whenthegoatcomesin · 01/05/2022 20:33

Is this hobby how you met him? And, I’m inferring you actually started to see him whilst he was still married and living with his family (hence all the lies and sneaking around.)

Mellowyellow222 · 01/05/2022 20:33

You boyfriend discovered surrogacy😂😂

honestly OP the more you type the more bizarre this becomes.

is this a book?

DeskInUse · 01/05/2022 20:33

Fuck that for a game of soldiers op!

Go to the event, take your kids with you, if you dp or his adult, yes ADULT dc don't like it, well that's their problem. Up to them if they still want to attend. Stop pandering to them, stop pandering to your dp.

You have a dh problem. Actually this shouldn't be a problem at all, it's a none problem. His dc are adults

TheSpottedZebra · 01/05/2022 20:35

...I'll tell you what they did next and maybe you'll pm me and we'll have coffee and that'll all be fine...

Oh yes, please do tell us.

Holly60 · 01/05/2022 20:37

You aren't compatible. For all of you blaming the DH- He is frightened his kids will cut him out/go no contact. It's not just a case of not pandering to them - he is scared he will lose them.

But equally OP this is no life for you. Unfortunately I can't see any winners out of this situation and I think you need to leave him.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 01/05/2022 20:38

How is that backstory of them being surrogates relevant at all to the current situation and your involvement in it? It's not, you just added it in.

My OH found a way for them to have children through surrogates, two woman nearly 15 years apart

I'm sure his wife helped him with the research on...

I'm adopted. If my dad's girlfriend felt it necessary to mention that when it has zero relevance to the topic being discussed, I would say 'oof' to her too.

Your relationship with this man means you've been in a difficult dynamic, therapy and medicated since your youngest was 18 months old. This isn't how healthy relationships start.

It sounds like there was crossover, your OH has made some very poor decisions and you've allowed yourself to be dragged into a toxic family dynamic that was caused largely by your OH, as you describe it, pretending he was still checked into the relationship while he lined up his new life.

Nobody's life is being enriched by this relationship, including your own life and those of your kids who are both very young so have no say in being exposed to such a drama.

No man is worth this. Let alone one you know has a history of lying within a committed relationship.

Littlepaws18 · 01/05/2022 20:40

It's a hobby you love, you want to engage your children in. Go with them, if your oh turns up with his children he does.

No matter how 'upset' they are they are very nearly grown adults. If they feel uncomfortable then it's down to them to decide if they want to go or not.

Don't bow down to this kind of pressure, they are making decisions that involve your life for their own self interest at the detriment of yours and your family. And the more you accept it the further they will push.

Maybe also by going it will give them time to think, is it worth not participating over this.

But as other posters have mentioned you have a OH problem. If in circumstances like this he can't see the wood for the trees you have no hope of a successfully blended family

WindyKnickers · 01/05/2022 20:42

I don't understand how you can be so scared of bring single that you will put up with being messed around like this.

lawyerbunny1978 · 01/05/2022 20:42

Mellowyellow222 · 01/05/2022 20:33

You boyfriend discovered surrogacy😂😂

honestly OP the more you type the more bizarre this becomes.

is this a book?

I can honestly say that I have appreciated the understanding of many people on this forum today, which has been one of my dark ones.

Mellowyellow222, I've seen your posts and tried not to rise to the bait. Check yourself.

Come and join in when we make our grand entrance, me and my fantastic friends. Champagne and limos indeed.

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youvegottenminuteslynn · 01/05/2022 20:43

Since you ask, and say "oof", I'll tell you what they did next and maybe you'll pm me and we'll have coffee and that'll all be fine

I didn't ask anything in the post you replied to with this...

And I'm assuming your strange coffee line was an attempt to be witty / snarky but it just came across as bizarre / drunk 😬

youvegottenminuteslynn · 01/05/2022 20:44

WindyKnickers · 01/05/2022 20:42

I don't understand how you can be so scared of bring single that you will put up with being messed around like this.

Same, especially with two young children having to put up with this dynamic and their mum being made unwell by it.

lawyerbunny1978 · 01/05/2022 20:45

Thank you. Very thoughtful and very kind.

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Maydaysoonenough · 01/05/2022 20:50

Seriously you need to remove your dc and yourself from this skewed life....

Tabitha888 · 01/05/2022 20:50

Have you read what you wrote. You are now allowing this relationship to cause issues with your mental health. What impact does that have on your children? Stick up for you and them. I think you need to revalue this relationship with this man. Is he worth it since he clearly isn't supporting you. Your children are growing up with a mother experiencing depression. It's awful! Take it from experience. Your kids 4 & 7 need you! Massively xx sorry if this sounds harsh.

lawyerbunny1978 · 01/05/2022 20:52

OK folks I have to sort my end out before logging back on. Forgive the silence, no offence. I'll be back on shortly and will read and hear everything.

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BringBackCoffeeCreams · 01/05/2022 20:53

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PeekAtYou · 01/05/2022 20:54

He's Mr Indecisive, so made her feel he was still her husband while planning his next life. I believe that's true. He told a lot of lies to his family to be with me during lockdown and I accept that they needed their Dad at that time.

I would hazard a bet that he's told the kids lies about you so that they wouldn't want to meet you and expose his lies.

Men like that don't tell lies because they are indecisive, they are either too lazy to risk the hassle of moving out etc or are concerned that moving in with the new woman will make the new relationship less exciting because moving in means boring real life stuff like laundry and ski marks in toilets

lawyerbunny1978 · 01/05/2022 21:14

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BringBackCoffeeCreams I asked for some guidance on here, because I was lost. If you would like to know more, please DM me. I will forgive what you've said. Please do get in touch, I'm sure you would like that.

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forrestgreen · 01/05/2022 21:15

You have four adults telling you and your children how to live?!

youvegottenminuteslynn · 01/05/2022 21:19

It's very strange to ask people to DM you / offer to DM them details they haven't asked you to share with them privately @lawyerbunny1978

A few people have queried the timeline as it certainly sounds like he was seeing you while she still believed them to be in a relationship.

You haven't confirmed if this is the case, and that's your prerogative obviously, but it's a pretty important detail and one it would make sense to share on the thread instead of in DMs.

Ditto whether or not he lived anywhere else between his family home and your home or if he moved straight out of there and in with you?

anewername · 01/05/2022 21:21

If you go and don't meet up with your DP. His kids don't know you and just ignore him if you see him.

To be honest this all sounds a bit too much. If the depression is affected by this relationship then maybe this is the the time to end it. As you all did your hobby before and so you can all continue.

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