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lawyerbunny1978 · 01/05/2022 13:02

I would welcome advice, please. Please read, I'm at the end of my chain.

My OH has a son and daughter. Daughter (H) is 27 and lives in his flat with her friend. Son (T) is 18, about to take his A-levels and lives with ex-wife. I have a 4 and a 7 year old.

My OH and I met 2 1/2 years ago, when he was separating from ex-wife. She's fed all kinds of poison into the well, after she found out about me but that's OT and I am clear that I was nothing to do with their marriage ending.

T and H won't meet me. They have consistently refused to, saying they needed 'time to adjust', then 'we need to build back our relationship with you, Dad, then we'll see', but ignoring me throughout, wanting their 'old Dad' back. They set curfew times for him for 5 months, so he had to be home by 6pm, so he could see me in the day in lockdown, to help with my childcare, but nothing more. Today, they're still 'emotionally unready', so I can't meet them, can't meet his parents etc.

The ex wife has conveyed many messages of 'you're a nobody, you don't exist for us'. I can tune her out, though that's been hurtful, but we're now 2.5 years in and I am in therapy, on anti-depressants, you name it.

My question is around this Summer. Without being specific, we are both into a big hobby scene that involves public events at a big level. Huge investment of time, lots of effort and you're literally on display and people come out to see you. Let's pretend it's top level eventing, Badminton time (it isn't!).

I have enjoyed this hobby for decades, before and after children, well before I met OH. It's obviously become a large part of our social life now, with mutual friends. OH has the kit. T has grown up around it. H isn't interested, but protective of T.

T and ex-wife have, to me, weoponised this hobby, tried to keep me out of what's 'theirs' as they see it. With lockdowns, and few events happening, we've got away with it for 2 years, but the chips are down this year. Last year OH and I felt solid, he was standing up to them and expecting them to join in to our world together, or be adults and opt out with respect for OH and me.

This year, he's doing the opposite. Saying to T he can have his 'exclusive' time with Daddy and asking me to be 'magnanimous' and drop out. I would gladly do that to give them space, believe me. But for T that means me not attending any events at all. I can't be on the same field, or he won't go. I can't go as public, camping miles away and won't see him, if he knows I'm going to be there, as I've done for 15+ years, he won't attend .

By way of example, at the end of May we're due to attend an event. I will help on all the set-up, but am then asked to say away for the next 3 days. I am told that I can't take my kids along for an ice cream for 30 minutes, because if I do, T won't go at all, because of his 'emotions'.

My children have grown up in this world, too. I have many friends that I won't see, if I don't go. I know this isn't right, OH knows it isn't right. I'm faced with turning my back on a hugely important part of my and my children's life, to save a relationship I'm not even sure is worth it, if I'm treated like this.

Any advice and comment appreciated, I really am at the end of my chain.

OP posts:
tableanadchairs · 01/05/2022 18:19

Whether or not you are in a relationship with your wimp of a DP who wants daddy time (WTF) with his immature 18 year old son- please advise him you WILL be at these events with your DC. You will probably bump into them at some point. What will he do then?

Onwards22 · 01/05/2022 18:35

I agree with @NeverDropYourMooncup

How many times have you heard with your own ears things that the DCs or wife has actually said?

As a PP said there was most likely an over lap.

Does he live with you now?

IWentAwayIStayedAway · 01/05/2022 18:38

Ditch the boyfriend!

Wheresmywoolyjumpers · 01/05/2022 18:49

Its time for your OH to step up and draw a line in the sand with these CFs. It is a shame his kids are upset. But that is not your fault. And they need to get over it.

FairyCakeWings · 01/05/2022 18:51

I don’t think all the criticisms of the teenage son are fair. He’s perfectly entitled to not want to spend time with the OP, and there’s nothing wrong with him telling his Dad that he won’t be spending time with him if he insists on bringing his girlfriend. He’s not dictating what anyone else can or can’t do, he’s setting his own boundaries - something that MN usually advocates.

It wouldn’t surprise me if the extreme instructions not to come to even stay elsewhere or be at the venue for half an hour has come from the OH because it will make his life easier for OP to stay away completely.

Mellowyellow222 · 01/05/2022 18:57

tableanadchairs · 01/05/2022 18:19

Whether or not you are in a relationship with your wimp of a DP who wants daddy time (WTF) with his immature 18 year old son- please advise him you WILL be at these events with your DC. You will probably bump into them at some point. What will he do then?

There is nothing wrong with an 18 year old wanting to spend time with his dad. Let’s not get nasty about how teens process their parents divorce.

this relationship happened at the same time as his parents separated - he was 15. Give the boy a break.

his dad on the other hand isn’t invested in his relationship.

OP isn’t living with this man, she hasn’t met his children yet she refers to them as her step children.

the balance is completely off.

but really sneering at an 18 year old seems low.

Monr0e · 01/05/2022 19:10

My advice would be to tell your DP to fuck right off

You have attended these events for 15 years? Do not give this up for a partner of 2 years. If his son will not attend if you are there, so be it, that is his decision to make, your partner will just have to find other days and opportunities to have son and father time

If you give in on this it will just be opening the door to a long line of demands and compromises. A partner at this stage should add to your life, not bring all this drama and angst.

tableanadchairs · 01/05/2022 19:11

of course there is nothing wrong with an 18 year old having daddy time pmsl. But the said 18 year old shouldnt be throwing his dummy out the pram if the partner attends with her DC's even if they are not at the event together.

lawyerbunny1978 · 01/05/2022 19:11

You're absolutely right. I'm sorry and no, the timeline wasn't clear. The marriage was walking dead for c.10 years. He's Mr Indecisive, so made her feel he was still her husband while planning his next life. I believe that's true. He told a lot of lies to his family to be with me during lockdown and I accept that they needed their Dad at that time. I argued with him a lot about that, believe me. Let's face it, we were all in bunkers, sheltering. Don't be any illusions about his family life, though, he and her were at each other's throats, for at least 10 years. As my therapist says, I sprang the trap.

OP posts:
lawyerbunny1978 · 01/05/2022 19:16

No, he was 16 and I met him before we entered into a relationship, fwiw. I know and understand how he needs to "process the divorce". My parents divorced when I was 16. I've met and had lunch with his ex wife to ease the process for them. Perhaps back off a little?

We have lived together for 2 years, me and my OH. My door has been open to everyone. This is the biggest thing I've encountered in our relationship and I've asked on here for help.

"Sneering" isn't a very nice word.

OP posts:
Butterfly44 · 01/05/2022 19:18

You'll feel so much better when your are free if this relationship. He's pandering to adult children (frankly ridiculous) and not giving you the respect you deserve.
You go to the event. It was yours before him. Why should you and your children miss out. Please leave this relationship and give your kids their mum back. Happiness will come after you've left this. If someone told you this scenario your advice would be to leave.

lawyerbunny1978 · 01/05/2022 19:22

FairyCakeWings · 01/05/2022 18:51

I don’t think all the criticisms of the teenage son are fair. He’s perfectly entitled to not want to spend time with the OP, and there’s nothing wrong with him telling his Dad that he won’t be spending time with him if he insists on bringing his girlfriend. He’s not dictating what anyone else can or can’t do, he’s setting his own boundaries - something that MN usually advocates.

It wouldn’t surprise me if the extreme instructions not to come to even stay elsewhere or be at the venue for half an hour has come from the OH because it will make his life easier for OP to stay away completely.

Yes. I don't blame T, in the round. I'm sure he's a lovely young man, in a bad spot that isn't my fault. Total mis-management of the mother and father. I need to work out whether I can take what I am increasingly seeing as their abuse of me, because of the place they're in.

OP posts:
Onwards22 · 01/05/2022 19:34

He's Mr Indecisive, so made her feel he was still her husband while planning his next life. I believe that's true. He told a lot of lies to his family to be with me during lockdown and I accept that they needed their Dad at that time.

No wonder they don’t like you then.
I can only imagine the things he’s told them about you just to cover his own back.

You started a relationship at a time when alot of people were very worried and there were massive changes in life.

You moved in together very quickly.

He was also seeing you during the day and going back and sleeping in her bed at night.

His DCs absolutely need to rebuild their relationship with him before meeting you.

That doesn’t mean you can’t go to the event though.

How long did he live in a different house before moving in with you?

NewandNotImproved · 01/05/2022 19:42

Honestly, you’d think there was a shortage of cock.
The sole point of a relationship is that it’s meant to enhance your life, it’s meant to be fun. Would you not rather enjoy your life and stop setting an embarrassing example to your kids?

lawyerbunny1978 · 01/05/2022 19:53

Onwards22 · 01/05/2022 16:34

I do think it’s good for parents to spend time with their biological children and I’d be more than happy for him to go to this event with them.

However that doesn’t stop you going with your DCs.
Just go and stay in a different hotel than him.

It will be quite a nice way to break the ice actually as you can bump into each other every now and then and then carry on with your day, without the awkwardness of having to meet them for a prolonged period of time.

I do think there is a lot more to this story though.

They set curfew times for him for 5 months, so he had to be home by 6pm, so he could see me in the day in lockdown, to help with my childcare, but nothing more.

I hope he wasn’t looking after your children in the first 5 months of meeting.

It also sounds like he was still living with them for this period and any person would feel put out if someone was going to another women’s house during the day to help her look after her kids and then coming back home and probably still sleeping with their mum.

Their reaction seems extreme and as they’re adults I think this is because you’ve left a lot of details out.
Your partner also sounds like he feels guilty for something.

Of course it's good to spend time with biological children. His children are surrogates btw. His wife is 20 years older than him and 30 years older than me.

And no, he didn't look after my children within the first 5 months of meeting. He did help me to look after my children after that and during lockdown, with his family's full knowledge and communication.

I'm sure I have left out details, I've taken my 75 yo mother out for the afternoon, have 2 needy dogs, am effectively a single parent and have sought advice on an 'am I going mad, or...?' issue without having to type all day (believe me, I could).

Sorry, I'm sure I'm being curt and I don't mean to be.

OP posts:
Mellowyellow222 · 01/05/2022 19:56

Did you honestly just refer to your boyfriends children as surrogates - as if that makes them less his children.

wow.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 01/05/2022 20:03

Of course it's good to spend time with biological children. His children are surrogates btw.

Oof. Not cool OP, really not cool. What a shitty thing to say as it's entirely irrelevant.

Mellowyellow222 · 01/05/2022 20:03

OP none of this makes sense. You got together with this man while his relationship was breaking down. His children refuse to meet you, but you have met the son.

you have lived with the man for two years, but he had a curfew?

was this man pretending to still be with his wife while having a relationship with you?

you aren’t allowed to meet his parents but you have had lunch with his ex wife?

it honestly sounds like a garbled, every changing story.

Everydayisabadhairday · 01/05/2022 20:05

This wet lettuce of a man isn't good enough for you. These adults are acting like massive big babies and he's enabling it.

Everydayisabadhairday · 01/05/2022 20:19

Oh wait.. just read the rest of your posts... So was there an overlap between your relationship and his marriage or not?

Confused as to why you've brought up the surrogacy thing or the exs age.

lawyerbunny1978 · 01/05/2022 20:22

Mellowyellow222 · 01/05/2022 19:56

Did you honestly just refer to your boyfriends children as surrogates - as if that makes them less his children.

wow.

Not as less his children. MORE his children, surely? Years of research and trust in different women to make those babies.

OP posts:
Maydaysoonenough · 01/05/2022 20:25

Yabu to have pandered to this shit for so long...

Onwards22 · 01/05/2022 20:26

How long after he moved out of her house did he move in with you?

Or did he go straight from her house to your house?

Whenthegoatcomesin · 01/05/2022 20:28

You are totally entitled to go. What T does is up to him. If they don’t want to meet you, that’s fine but this is too much.

Mellowyellow222 · 01/05/2022 20:29

lawyerbunny1978 · 01/05/2022 20:22

Not as less his children. MORE his children, surely? Years of research and trust in different women to make those babies.

Why raise it? Why is his ex wife’s age relevant?

this just gets more and more odd.

did you have an affair with this man while he was living with his wife and son? Is that the issue? The timeline really doesn’t make sense at all.

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