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Sex problem don't know how to solve *Content Warning* title edited by MNHQ

217 replies

Chickencuddle · 14/10/2021 07:00

1i have huge issues with sex... I know I do. I feel panic and violated if my partner tries to initiate anything. We haven't had sex in a long time. However he keeps doing this thing where he will touch me down below. I will ask him to stop and he will say "I'm going to give you a treat" tbh this creeps me put so much. Anyway I will keep saying I don't want him to and he will keep on at me and keep touching me even if I've asked him to stop. Last night I felt so poorly. Jyst wanted to sleep and he kept doing it and I said "I've asked you to stop why are you still doing it" he will say once I let him do it I'll enjoy it in the end etc. I've told him how I feel and he unsee stands why I feel like this. I told him every time he doesn'tisten to me and carries on I feel less safe and I need to feel safe to have sex.
What do I do.

OP posts:
labazslovesliving · 15/10/2021 02:38

this is assault and violation listen to your body it is clear this person repulses you it is saying to you it doesn't want this person to touch you get rid of him you will one day find sex enjoyable with the right person

Aquamarine1029 · 15/10/2021 02:41

@Chickencuddle

Posting for opinions on how to overcome what I'm struggling with tbh
You can't "overcome" being married to a sexual abuser. You have to leave him. Your husband is absolutely horrible.
IrishMel · 15/10/2021 03:38

That would drive me insane and would just tell him to feck right off. That is just trying to wear you down until you agree to him and it is abuse. You should feel safe in your own home. Is he controlling in other parts of your life. Please pick up the phone and talk to someone women's aid etc. Get a support network and do not feel so isolated. So sorry to hear this is how he treats you and no matter how good he may be in other aspects of your life this is gross. When someone says no it means no. Please do something and take care

IrishMel · 15/10/2021 03:54

Just read other posts. This is shocking behavior. Leave for your children as this is awful them growing up in this tension and his controlling behavior. Children always pick up on this and it will affect them and give them extreme anxiety. You have to leave and stay away from him and not see him. Have a family member or contact centre when he sees the children. You will only be able to think straight when you are away from him and he has broken you down. This is no way to live and it is sexual abuse. You and your children deserve a better life. He has no respect for you asking for sexual pleasure on your way home from the hospital and the children in the car, even if asleep this is just insane. People have given you good advise on here please listen to them.

CloseYourEyesAndSee · 15/10/2021 04:30

@Chickencuddle

Posting for opinions on how to overcome what I'm struggling with tbh
You can't overcome struggling with being regularly sexually assaulted. Good men don't sexually assault their wives.
MsDogLady · 15/10/2021 06:43

Chickencuddle, your H has always thrived on power and control. Nothing has changed. Your present is very much connected to your past.

When you left the refuge after a few days in mid-January, he agreed to adopt your gentle parenting method and to respect your consent. However, it didn’t take him long to resume his predatory behavior.

(1) In April you wrote that you’d been awakened by his climbing on top and lying on you, and repeatedly putting his face on yours. You froze and pretended to be asleep. When he finally rolled off and then stared at you, you pretended to wake up. You were freaked out, but never mentioned the assault.

(2) Also in that April thread, you said that you’d already had to remind him several times that ‘no means no.’

(3) Now, in October, you write that he keeps touching you sexually, and you have to move his hands at least 20+ times before he will stop.

He has not been brilliant since your return. He was initially knocked back that you’d left and that an agency had helped you. But he is an abuser, so eventually he started riding roughshod over your boundaries. He is not respecting your consent, and the assaults are escalating.

I highly suspect that he has been returning to his shouty, rigid parenting, as well as his inappropriate behavior in front of the children. Before going to the refuge, you were worried about their exposure to his harsh domination and sleaziness. Indeed, your son had started mimicking his dad’s smacking your bum by smacking his sister’s bum. And H was especially bullying toward DD1. Your children are being conditioned to repeat patterns of abuse by becoming either abusers or victims.

In your previous threads and in the threads of others, you have detailed some of the horrendous sexual and emotional abuse perpetrated against you by your father, mother and uncle. Your home and family culture were shockingly sexualized. There were no boundaries and you internalized much shame and lack of agency.

After your H ‘saved’ you, he started controlling and abusing you, so the pattern was repeated and normalized. His boundary violations have stretched across the board: sexual, emotional, physical and financial. (He has even dominated your food intake. During your last pregnancy, you were craving meat and had to hide some roast chicken, which he would have forbidden, and ate it in your car.) You didn’t recognize that he was an abuser until MN and Women’s Aid verified that. Even now, when he has ramped up the assaults, you are calling him brilliant.

Chickencuddle, I strongly advise you to access individual counseling with a therapist experienced in sexual abuse and traumatic boundary violation. You’ve been conditioned since childhood and are now with a dangerous man. You are sabotaging your life and are risking your children’s emotional health and well-being by staying with him.

Respectfully, you didn’t give the refuge a chance. You came out of your 2 day isolation on a Sunday, when support staff were not present. The children were asking questions that you couldn’t answer and you felt anxious and confused. You likely would have received much support the following day, but you left. Please consider trying again. Flowers

youvegottenminuteslynn · 15/10/2021 08:23

I just woke up about half an hour ago to him touching me really quite hard. I had dd lay on one arm asleep on the other side. I half woke up and pushed his hand away and told him to stop. Then I must have gone back to sleep or dozed a second and next minute realise he is taking my pants off. I woke up and told him to stop. He started touching me again. Grabbing my boobs squeezing and sucking I tried pushing him away saying stoo etc he said "what do you mean stop." I said stop means for you to stop obviously. He wouldnt and kept going quite rough. I said no. Stop and he kept saying what do you mean no etc you know you want it. Etc he kept grabbing my hand and trying to put it on his penis. I told him you need to stop dd is here and he said "so I can still make you cum" I said "stop its wierd you doing that with her her." He just kept going and I found it really hard to get him to stop with dd on me and without waking her. I told him to stop while I put her down. He said "are you going to put her down before or after I make you cum." I said before...just so he would get off me and i could argue with him after. I put her down in the cot and she woke up. He sighed and said "no cumming for you now"

This morning he again was touching me around the kids in the morning kids all pile into bed with us. Then they had a cuddle and were on the floor beside the bed playing with this light thing we have when he started touching me down below. I told him to stop then he was trying to get my boob out my top and lick it (sorry) everytime I told him to stop he would stop but then start something else. Then humping me etc. He absolutely sees nothing wrong with it. When I pushed his hands away and told him to stop he was like "why?"I said ds is right next to the bed. He said "I know" then did it once more before stopping.

He gets off on sexually assaulting you while your kids are there.

And he gets off on sexually assaulting you when they aren’t there.

He hasn’t stopped sexually assaulting you.

Your children are exposed - read what you wrote on your previous threads, those above are just a couple of examples.

Being exposed to abuse is abuse. Your children live in an abusive home where there mother has been raped repeatedly by their father and their father continues to sexually assault their mother.

My heart sank when I saw your username again. You cannot stay with this man.

He isn’t ‘better’, he is continuing to disregard your boundaries and demand unwanted access to your body.

Your kids deserve the chance to live in a home without abuse.

CloseYourEyesAndSee · 15/10/2021 08:25

Fuck
He's sexually abusing your children
What do you need to get out of there??

category12 · 15/10/2021 08:30

OP, you grew up in an abusive home, and maybe what your dc are exposed to is nowhere as bad as what you went through, but it's still far far from normal or right.

They're not unaware, if they're copying grabbing bottoms and so on - they may not know what it means, but it's crossing lines. And what if they had woken up when we was trying to force you to give him a handjob in the car? And as they get older, they will remember and understand.

You need to protect them more than you are. You need to protect yourself more than you are. Please leave.

WhoWearsShortShorts · 15/10/2021 08:36

Your poor children still in this mess of a home life. I really hope you can find the strength to put them first one day and give them the childhood they deserve

Comedycook · 15/10/2021 08:49

Like a pp said your DC are being sexually abused... witnessing their mother being sexually assaulted is abuse. I'm saying this to you in the kindest way I can because you are clearly a victim and clearly extremely vulnerable. However, you are keeping your children in a dangerous situation and even when you did leave, you returned with them. If you won't remove your children from this disgusting, dangerous situation, I really hope social services take them away to safety.

Motnight · 15/10/2021 08:52

Oh Op. I hope that somehow you find the strength to stop this horrific cycle of abuse. If not for you, then for your kids.

You are in danger of your children being taken away from you if they ever tell anyone else about the abuse that you are all suffering.

Closetbeanmuncher · 15/10/2021 08:59

there is no cause for concern

Your body having a physical fight or flight reaction to what it has endured at the hands of this man is very much cause for concern.

After Reading msdoglady's post I'm pretty stunned you can even type that out, never mind frame what is essentially a PTSD response as your problem. The level of denial and willingness to brush it all under the carpet really worries me.

I truly hope for your sake the penny drops.

Sugarntailsnluvlyspicysnails · 15/10/2021 09:15

I hope for your kids sake the penny drops

RiojaRose · 15/10/2021 09:17

I wonder if part of the difficulty is that you want to overcome it because you think it’s normal for couples to have sex, and normal for men to want sex, and you feel you should act normally.

And that’s generally true, except that in your situation your husband doesn’t simply want sex. He wants to make you feel anxious and afraid because that’s what turns him on. It would be easy for him to ask you for sex without intimidating you. Instead, he grabs you and refuses to stop. He’s the abnormal one in the relationship. Normal men don’t get off on women’s fear and discomfort.

SleepingBunnies21 · 15/10/2021 09:47

He gets off on sexually assaulting you while your kids are there.

Apparently this "man" hassled op to give him a hand job in a car with kids sleeping in it (who obviously could have woken up).

Even if they hadn't woken up, it's still not remotely OK to do that in a car with them.

Then there's the public indecency/law as well: couldn't you be done for that by police if discovered/reported, so op could end up with a record due to his behaviour.

SleepingBunnies21 · 15/10/2021 09:49

@RiojaRose

I wonder if part of the difficulty is that you want to overcome it because you think it’s normal for couples to have sex, and normal for men to want sex, and you feel you should act normally.

And that’s generally true, except that in your situation your husband doesn’t simply want sex. He wants to make you feel anxious and afraid because that’s what turns him on. It would be easy for him to ask you for sex without intimidating you. Instead, he grabs you and refuses to stop. He’s the abnormal one in the relationship. Normal men don’t get off on women’s fear and discomfort.

He also seems to want sex to an excessive degree, and hassles and pushes when op is reluctant or saying no.
Quartz2208 · 15/10/2021 11:32

You cant overcome it - surely you can see that. Because it isn't yours to overcome because it is clear that actually he hasn't he is still trying the same way.

It is over you cant come back from this and you are just prolonging it for yourself and the children

Because what you are asking is how can I overcome it so he can sexually assault/rape me because I no longer want it or feel safe with him

Regularsizedrudy · 15/10/2021 11:51

@RiojaRose

I wonder if part of the difficulty is that you want to overcome it because you think it’s normal for couples to have sex, and normal for men to want sex, and you feel you should act normally.

And that’s generally true, except that in your situation your husband doesn’t simply want sex. He wants to make you feel anxious and afraid because that’s what turns him on. It would be easy for him to ask you for sex without intimidating you. Instead, he grabs you and refuses to stop. He’s the abnormal one in the relationship. Normal men don’t get off on women’s fear and discomfort.

Exactly this. He has twisted things so that he is viewed as normal and you as abnormal. If I tried to initiate a sex act with my husband when the kids were around he would be deeply DEEPLY disturbed. This is the normal reaction whether male or female. He has convinced you otherwise because he is a sick and twisted abuser who gets off on making you feel disturbed.
Fizzbangwallop · 15/10/2021 11:53

Other than taking him to the vet and getting him castrated or putting bromide in his tea (JOKE) there is nothing you can do to change this man’s horrible behaviour. The only thing you can do is get yourself and your children far away from him.

What help do you need to leave for good?

Chickencuddle · 15/10/2021 12:37

He didn't doing any of those things anymore. He apologised and admitted it was wrong. The only thing happening now is him pestering me a little but I don't really blame him with how long it's been. I guess I want him to understand the lasting effect it's had on me and wait until I'm ready.
I want to be able to see the kind lovely man who I started out with and who is here now. The middle bit was awful and reading that brings back things I hadn't thought about in so long. I have to weigh pros and cons and the kids love him
He is a great dad now. I don't want to split the family up and I want the kids to have the best life. I believe that is with both of us there as long as there is no abuse etc. 8 agree that there was abuse before but while he maybe isn't respecting or understanding me as much as he should 8 don't think what is happening now is abuse

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CloseYourEyesAndSee · 15/10/2021 12:40

I want to be able to see the kind lovely man who I started out with and who is here now.

That man doesn't exist

He is a great dad now. I don't want to split the family up and I want the kids to have the best life.
No he isn't

I can hear the panic in your posts. You KNOW he's still abusing you and hasn't changed. You're desperately in denial.

Comedycook · 15/10/2021 12:43

He is not a good dad. Good dad's don't sexually assault their children's mother in front of them. You are completely deluded op...quite frankly your posts are terrifying to read. Social services, I'd imagine, would take a very dim view of the situation your poor DC are living in that you are not protecting them from.

doorornottodoor · 15/10/2021 12:45

Oh I remember your posts. He’s awful. I’m so sorry for you. You need to leave him. Flowers

Pashazade · 15/10/2021 12:45

Ok Chicken, what happens if you same to him, please stop, your previous behaviour has made me feel deeply uncomfortable around any form of sexual contact. I need more time. I'm happy to cuddle but I need you to step back and not make any sexual demands of me in any way until I'm ready. If he scoffs, belittles or tries to talk you round then you still have a problem. If he listens and agrees and the pestering stops then maybe there is a glimmer of hope. But given the level of his previous abuse you do not owe him anything. He has created this situation it is up to him to fix it, not you. Do not allow him to pressure you, you do not owe him sex, it is only being part of a mutually respectful relationship that allows people to truly enjoy sex, he broke that contract it his job to fix it.