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Red Flags, or Am I Overreacting?

204 replies

thewinterqueen · 03/07/2021 18:43

So I started seeing a guy that I met online three weeks ago. He is charming, and acted the perfect gentleman. He insisted on paying for everything, (even my parking ticket!) and insisted on doing the same for our dates. He even bought me flowers each time, and invested in a dressing gown, towel set, toothbrush and hot water bottle for his flat for when I eventually stayed. I thought it was all sweet. He seemed very nervous too.

Last weekend, we were supposed to meet Friday, but I got rushed to hospital with kidney stones. I was hospitalised over the weekend. He was very worried, and begged to come and see me, but I said there was no point because of covid restrictions. You aren't allowed to be accompanied in hospital at present, and I felt like crap, so I wanted my space. He proceeded to tell me that he wanted to come and camp outside the hospital in his car, and then said that he'd been talking to a nurse who worked in the same hospital, and how they weren't allowed to keep me in A+E (accident and emergency) for over 12 hours, blah blah. I told him that I was in the right place, but I felt unsettled by him having conversations with a nurse, and did not know if they were sharing details about me. I have ongoing mental health issues that I don't want discussed, and was worried that this nurse would be telling him.

When I came home on Sunday, I was tired and sick, and he kept asking to come and see me. I felt awful, so said no. He proceeded to send me messages every 30 minutes and on Monday, I woke up to a huge bunch of flowers and a teddy on my doorstep. Then I started to get coffees arriving throughout the day. I could not rest or relax, because the doorbell kept ringing. He sent me pictures of all the gifts he was buying me - bath salts, bubble bath, ornaments, statues, etc. he said they were all waiting for me. It all got too much. On Tuesday, I ventured out to get some milk, and suddenly got inundated with calls from him. It turned out that there was yet another coffee on the doorstep, and he wanted to know where I was. When I said I'd just popped out for milk, he went quiet and didn't say anything. Then I got more coffees arriving.

I felt really, really claustrophobic, and it set my anxiety off massively. I felt panicky, as well as sick, and told him that I needed some space because it was too much. He got upset and said he'd ordered me lots of gifts for the next day, and told me to throw them in the bin when they arrived. He kept saying that he didn't understand what he'd done wrong, and said he was just trying to be the boyfriend that I deserved. He keeps asking where he stands, and I keep telling him that I've already told him.

I have spoken to him since, and he still does not understand what he has done wrong. It feels like he won't get it. It also turns out that he's been in prison for manslaughter - he attacked someone for hitting his previous girlfriend, or so he says. He told me this on the second date, and I am not a judgemental person at all, but I am started to worrying that these behaviours are dangerous. Some of my friends think he's just being caring, but others are saying run a mile. I have put the breaks on, but am wondering what others think? I have a horrible habit of attracting abusive partners, so I am very very worried, and perhaps I am worrying too much?

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DoverS0le · 04/07/2021 09:56

Can you also reconsider your friendship with the people who thought a relationship with a murderer was ok.

Bridezillamaybe · 04/07/2021 10:07

Oh OP, I'm so sorry to hear about your childhood but happy that you have spotted the signs with this man and also that you have your brother and CCTV keeping you safe.

I have had little glimpses of insight into how you felt being sick and vulnerable and all this coming at you. It's awful. You don't have the strength to deal with it.

I was once dating a guy who seemed lovely but a little intense and was a big drinker. We had begun sleeping together a few weeks when I got sick with a virus. He kept appearing at my door and phoning repeatedly, waking me up. The time he appeared at my door I let him in half asleep then tried to crawl back into my bed assuming we would go to sleep and he was just there to look after me. I have a blurry fevered memory of spending hours pushing him off me, putting the pillow between us, rolling away nonstop. In the morning I woke up to him pawing at me muttering a beautiful woman shouldn't go to waste. I leapt out of the bed (feeling better) and roared at him to get the F out of my house. I was furious. He phoned me constantly for months until I realised ignoring wouldn't work and threatened him with the police.

Another guy was a friend of mine from college who I'd been on a couple of dates with but then told him I didn't have any romantic interest in. I had hoped to preserve our friendship but it became clear it would be impossible as he kept swinging from being suffocatingly overfriendly to downright nasty. He was hurt, not handling it well and I was relieved when he stopped talking to me. Then I got taken to hospital and he appeared laden down with gifts full of reproach that I hadn't 'called him first'. It was nice to see him. I was in for a week initially with the news getting worse and worse (it turned out I had cancer). He didn't leave my bedside. Family members, friends got met in the corridor and told I was sleeping, not to worry, I was being taken care of etc. He 'set up work' by my bed and told me 'everything could wait'. When I asked him to leave so I could get changed he rolled his eyes and told me he'd seen it before. It sounds harmless but as I regained strength I knew it wasn't concern or support, he saw an opportunity that was all.

wewereliars · 04/07/2021 10:08

Toocold you ARE victim blaming, whether you mean to or not because the OP does not have to explain anything to this man. His behaviour is unhinged. As PP have said upthread, he is setting up a feeling of obligation on the OP.

OP regardless of what Clare's law reveals, ditch him and block. He sounds dangerous, his behaviour is NOT kind.

thewinterqueen · 04/07/2021 13:22

Thank you so much for those of you who have been sympathetic. I definitely think that the coffees were a way of keeping tabs on where I was at any given time, and that was what made me feel anxious and sick to the stomach. That was when I realised something was wrong. The prison thing should definitely have made me pause, and I feel foolish for not running a mile then. I don't think it sunk in properly, because now I don't understand why I didn't run a mile either. I have always wanted to believe that people can change. My mother dated people who had been in prison, so I understand that my psychological wiring is probably a bit messed up. I am doing my best to try and fix that, but it isn't an overnight thing.

This guy is blocked on everything, and I have not heard anything from him since yesterday, so fingers crossed it remains that way.

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ElspethFlashman · 04/07/2021 14:58

Good for you OP, let's hope it stays that way.

Did anything come up on Google? Do you think he gave you the correct name?

thewinterqueen · 04/07/2021 15:16

@ElspethFlashman

Good for you OP, let's hope it stays that way.

Did anything come up on Google? Do you think he gave you the correct name?

Nothing came up on google. I am wondering if he made the prison thing up, but I am hoping it'll come up on the Clare's Law thing? x
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FatCatThinCat · 04/07/2021 15:17

Bloody hell OP how very scary for you. Well done on ending it and blocking him. If he bothers you again report it to the police as he sounds very dangerous.

toocold54 · 05/07/2021 06:17

This guy is blocked on everything, and I have not heard anything from him since yesterday, so fingers crossed it remains that way.

Did you explain that it is over?

You need to firmly tell him as he will use that as an excuse to come round or send things ‘as he didn’t realise things were over’.
You’ve also not heard from him as you’ve blocked him and with someone like him it may be a good idea to have him unblocked but not respond so you know how he’s feeling as I don’t think he’s the type to just accept it and move on easily. Hopefully I am wrong.

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 05/07/2021 10:35

You’ve also not heard from him as you’ve blocked him and with someone like him it may be a good idea to have him unblocked but not respond so you know how he’s feeling as I don’t think he’s the type to just accept it and move on easily

I agree with this. I'd leave one method open - one that he cant know whether or not you've read it, so I'd suggest sms (presuming you don't have an apple product)

You've done well in realising and taking action OP - you can be proud of that. You mentioned that your mum has dated ex-cons - do you think it's worth exploring the lessons you may have unwittingly learned regarding that? I get the sense that you've felt almost obligated to give this guy a chance - whilst I do believe that people can change themselves, it's vanishingly rare for that change to happen merely as a result of being in prison.

If this guy was truly rehabilitated, then I personally would wish him well, but I wouldn't take on the task of finding out for myself. Let him meet someone through mutual friends, family or colleagues. Someone who has known him for a while and has more history to draw on to see if he has truly turned around.

Everything this guy has done and said

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 05/07/2021 10:38

... Tells me he hasn't.

Your only obligation and responsibility when choosing a partner is to keep yourself safe first and foremost.

I am also a survivor of childhood abuse and I spent my early dating years with a succession of stunningly awful men, who I fundamentally believed had some sort of right to a relationship with me, simply because they wanted one.

I had seen it said a few times on MN: "Women are not rehab centres for broken men." Let them go and fix themselves, then try dating.

Take care and keep safe op 🌸

thewinterqueen · 05/07/2021 15:03

I got an email from him that went into my junk folder at 2am this morning, demanding to know why I've blocked him on everything. He still clearly hasn't got the message.

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Umberellatheweatha · 05/07/2021 15:11

Eee. I dont envy u there op. Just don't respond. He knows fine why you've blocked him. He just wants to mind fuck you into thinking you are being unreasonable.

ThePearlOfDumbarton · 05/07/2021 15:15

Stay strong OP.

You've done the hard bit. now just block and ignore. xx

ThePearlOfDumbarton · 05/07/2021 15:18

I hope he knows you live with our brother.

bibliomania · 05/07/2021 15:55

Well done for taking action, OP. I'm sorry this guy latched onto you - hope this is it, but don't hesitate to tell the police if he persists.

Talipesmum · 05/07/2021 16:21

I’m so sorry OP this sounds awful, and he should no way be harassing you like this.
What language did you use to end it? I only ask because (though this is not at all an excuse for acting like this) someone saying they “need some space” could be heard as “can we pause things for a bit before we get back to normal” rather than “I’m ending it once and for all”. I didn’t realise from your initial posts that you’d ended it with him until you explained to someone later that you had.

cosmicbabe · 05/07/2021 17:00

Dirty John

AttaGirrrrl · 05/07/2021 17:39

@thewinterqueen

I got an email from him that went into my junk folder at 2am this morning, demanding to know why I've blocked him on everything. He still clearly hasn't got the message.
I would send one final message saying that you want no further contact from him and will report him to the police for harassment if he messages by any means again. Then stick to it.

Hope you’re okay Flowers

toocold54 · 05/07/2021 17:49

I got an email from him that went into my junk folder at 2am this morning, demanding to know why I've blocked him on everything. He still clearly hasn't got the message

Did you tell him it was over or just block him?

thewinterqueen · 05/07/2021 17:59

I told him it was over, and not to ever contact me again.

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Thelnebriati · 05/07/2021 18:05

Next time remember, you don't need to let things get as far as red flags and you don't need a reason to quit.
If you aren't happy, if you aren't comfortable, if its not doing anything for you then you don't have to be grateful he picked you and you can walk away.

toocold54 · 05/07/2021 18:15

I told him it was over, and not to ever contact me again.

That’s good. I would just ignore from now on. I think you dodged the bullet just in time. I hope you’re feeling better after your hospital appointment.

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thewinterqueen · 05/07/2021 18:52

Thank you. I have ignored the email, so hopefully that will be the end of it. I do feel much better for speaking about it here, so thank you. I've also brought the Gift of Fear, which is really resonating with me. Brilliant book x

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PumpkinKlNG · 05/07/2021 19:08

The trouble I find with people saying to not block him and to leave it open is a lot of these men are good at worming their way back in so I’m not sure it’s always good advice to leave it open for them to contact. If you are a strong person that definitely won’t go back then fair enough but I think the op comes across as quite vulnerable