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This isn't good is it? I'm kind of scared.

190 replies

Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 01:09

Together on and off 28 years. Not married, no children. For reasons that would be outing I don't want to get into details about why we didnt marry or move in together, but we never felt the need to when young, and his financial/work situation made this difficult.

What I want to know is what you may think of these details I am going to write.

Some info:
He often misinterprets my words and questions - if I ask if he might want to talk/chat (when he might be busy reading etc) I am accused of 'accusing him', of making him out to be a bad person, or he says I am IMPLYING that he is ignoring me. All far off the mark.
I can say something like 'hey, you're quiet!" and he will often over react horribly, telling me I am implying he is 'up to something' or that I have an ulterior motive, such as being disappointed with him (I promise I am not!).
It isn't like paranoia, just a permanent defensiveness. He doesn't shout, but can be really imposing and unpleasant and it really knocks me off kilter.

For a long time now, he doesn't seem to want to converse with me, particularly about anything deep (feelings, politics, art, music, the world, stuff). Only really seems to talk to me about surface, trivial stuff. Never used to be this bad. It has become much worse in last 8 months. If I bring it up, in a non confrontational way, he is really pissed off with me and says I am criticising him (when I am emphatically not) or 'making him feel crazy'.

There's a lot of denial. About so much irrelevant stuff.
We have discussed this over time and he always says he will give it some thought, try to cut it out. I have been open, inviting him to explore it, I don't harass him, or make him feel bad. These are reactions to such odd things like taking rubbish out to bin, or about the shopping list, etc. If it involves anything deep or emotional the reaction is worse and more unpleasant/stressed.
It is as if the defensiveness has eclipsed him, as if he is always under attack or having to protect himself. It makes regular conversations really hard going sometimes.

If I say, 'hey that wasn't nice', or 'that kind of confuses/hurts me', or 'why did you do that?' he will state, emphatically, no. He doesn't ask why or what makes me say that. Just a constant 'no'. 'No it isn't'. 'No I didnt', etc. Over time this makes me feel that my opinions or feelings are not valued or heard.

He states things rather than shows them. For example, he might state that he is a warm person, but looks disapproving or annoyed whilst saying it. I find it really confusing and I am tired out with it.

He isn't physically violent but if he is angry he will storm out of a room over things that don't make sense, creating a violent atmosphere which really unnerves me. He can't seem to deal with small conflicts well, whereas I am open and able to talk. Sometimes his aggression is imposing and makes me feel nervous, afraid. Not that I think he would hurt me, but that he is angry enough to. I often feel he is a tight spring that holds violence it back. He can be quite snippy and passive aggressive when he feels wronged, which is often these days, and doesn't seem to hear me when I say it is harmful to me. He promises but it just happens again.

He says he shares a view of our future, wants similar things. Wants to live with me eventually, what have you. Except in daily life there is never any discussion, interest or movement towards that. We have a 14 year age gap (he is older) and met when I was 20. He will soon be reaching pension age, and says we might not be able to live together because it would affect his pension (I am self employed). This is true, but I am of the mind that at this point in our lives we could easily muck in together and just share the running of a home. It is like he has a batchelor mentality, but doesn't want to lose me.

Over the past few decades he has often fired me off suddenly and dumped me. Mostly when I was younger and less confident. Usually the result of his growing disengagement and me trying to discuss/fix it. Fuse got blown, off he'd go. He always saw himself as the victim and quite cruelly ejected me from his life. It was often sudden and devastating for me. A few years would pass and we would become chums again, then drift back together. The cycle begins again. The grief I have gone through in the past over this is immense. I often had to find a place to live when it happened as I had been living with him on his tenancy.

I am also a creative, and don't wish to buy a home, but I did want to eventually live together, share the cost, and choose somewhere lovely to live. I can afford to live and work where I like, but he still doesn't seem terribly motivated. Neve mentions making a will, etc. He lives in a horrible area and admits it is stressful but is happy for me to find a new place somewhere nice and 'tag along to visit'.

I do think he loves me very much, in his own way, and he has always been faithful and honest. But it isn't enough. I have altered a lot over the years, am still growing, and learning a great deal about my past choices. He doesn't seem to be on the same 'page', I guess.

I think I want to leave, create finality, and am happy to do so, but it is hard to break past habits...

I apologise for the length, please be gentle. A lot going on this year, lost my mum, lots of changes, etc.
What I want to know is your opinion of those details I have written. What is going on with a person who has these traits? Are we just on different planets now or does some of that qualify as abuse? It often feels like that. I feel really guilty writing this about him, because he is lovely, too. What a mess.

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burritofan · 04/06/2021 01:12

Is there a single plus point to this relationship?

HelenUrth · 04/06/2021 01:19

Please prioritise yourself. He is not. Why are you settling for this appalling man? What made you think you dont deserve better? He doesn't respect you, please leave this "relationship".

Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 01:20

@burritofan

Is there a single plus point to this relationship?
Yikes! Of course, I have only listed the difficult issues here. We share some very important beliefs and are very, very close. Have been there for each other in essential ways. However, I do believe that the negative outweighs the good, now that I see it clearly.
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FlowerArranger · 04/06/2021 01:24

So you've been with him, sort of but not really, for 28 years.
All this time he's been ensconced in his castle, with the drawbridge firmly raised.
And yet you have continued to knock on the castle gates, pleading to be let in.
Just why?
What exactly is he bringing to your life?
In what ways is he lovely?
What makes you think that he loves you?
If you were to fall under the proverbial bus, how many (proverbial) tears would he shed?
Where do you see this relationship going?
Sorry..... but why, just why...

puddled2 · 04/06/2021 01:29

Can't believe you haven't already...run for the hills

WallaceinAnderland · 04/06/2021 01:30

You've wasted 28 years on this person.

katy1213 · 04/06/2021 01:30

On and off for 28 years and he plans to live with you 'eventually.' What does he have in mind? Double plot in the cemetery?

RaeRaeMama · 04/06/2021 01:41

It sounds to me OP, based on what you've shared, that this person has treated you poorly and it's gone on for so long you don't even see it clearly. What I mean to say is you could have found a partner who wanted to be your partner, you could do better.

As for the way he's acting, it sounds a lot like gaslighting to me,

notangelinajolie · 04/06/2021 01:42

I am really sorry but I just get an immense feeling of sadness and a life wasted when I read your post Sad
I know it's too late for children but please, please do not stay with this man any longer. He is lining you up to be his carer.
Ask yourself if that is what you want?
No marriage. No children.
Just waiting for you to say he has adult children from a previous relationship.

Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 04/06/2021 01:49

It sounds as though you are trying to find a depth in him that isn’t there.

Smallredclip · 04/06/2021 01:52

Is he a creative too?

Aquamarine1029 · 04/06/2021 01:58

However, I do believe that the negative outweighs the good, now that I see it clearly.

That's when you know it's absolutely over. I recommend you find that lovely place to move to and do so as soon as possible. Remove this man permanently from your live and move on. You have many, many years ahead of you, and they should not be wasted on this horrible abusive man.

OldWomanSaysThis · 04/06/2021 02:02

This doesn't sound like a legit relationship. It sounds more like a habit or some kind of never ending holding pattern with an unpleasant person.

timeisnotaline · 04/06/2021 02:03

I suspect you’re imagining some of the good stuff! You haven’t so much been in a relationship as spent over a decade endlessly thinking and working to try and make this man love you and you need to stop. He’s dumped you many times, and you are agonising over dumping him one single time. Please just do it. It would be perfectly acceptable in these circs to just do it without talking to him tbh. But if you have to nicely tell him it’s over, remember : he doesn’t have to agree. You can make this choice. He was comfortable making this choice many times so obviously he has to understand that you are now done, only this time it’s permanent because you aren’t an arsehole to play around with someone’s emotions and call it a relationship.

AllyBama · 04/06/2021 02:18

Wow that’s made me feel really sad reading that. 28 years? Please don’t waste another day on this person, you sound absolutely miserable, completely unsuited to each other and he sounds really unpleasant. Why are you together?

FuckYouCorona · 04/06/2021 02:21

This is really sad. You remind me of my mother, who also wasted her entire adult life on a man who didn't deserve her & ended up outliving her by over 10 years (so far).

Time to make a clean break & move on. If you can live & work anywhere then make that break & move as far away from him as possible.

Its too late for biological DC, but if caring for a child is something you want then its not too late to consider fostering or even adoption, which can be incredibly rewarding. Flowers

Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 02:30

@OldWomanSaysThis

This doesn't sound like a legit relationship. It sounds more like a habit or some kind of never ending holding pattern with an unpleasant person.
This. It is like a reflex. A learned behaviour. Groundhog Day.
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alexdgr8 · 04/06/2021 02:30

well you don't seem suited.
but as i read your OP, i felt a bit sorry for him.
you relate interrupting him while he is busy reading, to demand why he is not talking. i would find that very annoying. and rather intimidating.
so i can kind of see how he feels like a victim.
and when he suddenly gets up and goes out, maybe he is trying not to lose his temper.
he probably finds you very annoying. like a child that demands constant attention, following mummy into the loo.
yet he kind of feels sorry for you too, and for old time's sake, doesn't quite cut with you.
he is content to ramble along in the same way, mostly.
but the thought of not having his own place to retreat to, to get away from you probably alarms him greatly.
but he doesn't want to hurt, disappoint you by saying so clearly.
so he lets you assume that he wants to live together, but he couldn't bear it in reality, and sometimes that conflict in the inner self causes his shortness.
this is my reaction. i expect others to disagree. but you asked, so here it is.

of course i may be completely wrong. who knows.
i wish you, and him, well. life is short, make the most of it.

MoppaSprings · 04/06/2021 02:35

He says he shares a view of our future, wants similar things. Wants to live with me eventually, what have you.

This bit sticks out to me. Seems like he’s dangling the prospect of this future, to keep you hanging on.

When you were broken up did you ever have a relationship with anyone else?

StuffinThePuffin · 04/06/2021 02:43

You have wasted more than enough time on this man.

Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 02:44

Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. I appreciate that massively.

He does love me..... I am at that point in life where I am beyond blaming and figuring it out, am happy to just accept, and excited to move on.
It is difficult to perceive myself outside of it though. And a part of me fears screwing up. I think his particular variation of love is just not terribly healthy for me. I hope to remain friends with him. I just think I have evolved out of it.

Have experienced a great deal of emotional change and growth over the past few years, and can look back on my choices with a certain clarity. I am 'living wrong' and that is for sure. I am not interested in meeting anyone else, just stepping out into a new life - a life on my own terms, for the first time ever.

With regards to children, I was fine with this, but did want something more connected and committed than what we have. Our pets were our babies, but luckily we don't have any at present.

I am due to look for a new place. Thinking of going to Cumbria. Lived there for a while a few years ago and loved it, very me! I am a painter and have done a bit of work with companies up there, so would love to return. Unfortunately I never learned to drive so was ready to learn before covid Sad.

We have discussed it being over for a few months, he seems pretty ok with that, now. I think he is becoming more aware of how harmful this is for me. It is hard though, at the moment, being cooped up together. The whole thing is just detrimental to me and his odd and apathetic attitude to life is making it worse.

These responses are enlightening and quite difficult to read - it seems so very wrong to discuss him in this way, but I did want blunt responses to my question, so thank you.

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Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 02:47

@MoppaSprings

He says he shares a view of our future, wants similar things. Wants to live with me eventually, what have you.

This bit sticks out to me. Seems like he’s dangling the prospect of this future, to keep you hanging on.

When you were broken up did you ever have a relationship with anyone else?

Over the years, one or two short flings, in-between, as he did. He deeply resented me meeting someone else, although I was pretty cool about stuff. This was over 20 yrs ago now though. To be honest, he still holds a grudge about a guy I meant and dated for a few weeks back then. It often pops out, still, in such a vicious anger.

I don't think he is dangling a carrot so much as he just doesn't have any ambition or desires outside of his work and is happy to just keep the status quo. I am not.

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HeartvsBrain · 04/06/2021 02:48

Oh my gosh OP, I really feel for you. I don't feel able to offer an insight into this man's character, but I do feel that in writing down your OP you have fully opened your eyes to this man's basic character, and it is not very attractive to you (or most of us reading about him I presume).

A pp said that you have wasted 28 years, but I don't agree with that at all. I was married to my first husband for 11 years, and although he left me for someone else in the end, the life lessons that I learnt during that marriage, and the amount of love I felt for him at the time, were valuble lessons to me. We also had some (quite a lot of) good times during that period of time. I think that I would view very few scenarios as a total waste of my life, but then - although I don't follow any orthodox religions - I do have my own spirituality that I try to adhere to.

I believe that you do know what you need to do next for your own peace of mind, and to be able to enjoy your next 40 to 50 years of life. If you are still struggling to decide, would you feel open to some kind of counselling, maybe marriage counselling, with or without your partner. You do sound very strong, and intelligent, and I have a lot of faith that you will choose the correct path for you, and once you have made whatever decision that you are going to make, You and your Soul will flourish.

crowsfeet57 · 04/06/2021 02:49

He will soon be reaching pension age, and says we might not be able to live together because it would affect his pension (I am self employed)

Not true. Neither state pension nor private pensions are affected by the income of the person you live with. If that were the case thousands of people would be divorcing every year, as one of them reaches pensionable age ahead of the other.

Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 02:49

@alexdgr8

well you don't seem suited. but as i read your OP, i felt a bit sorry for him. you relate interrupting him while he is busy reading, to demand why he is not talking. i would find that very annoying. and rather intimidating. so i can kind of see how he feels like a victim. and when he suddenly gets up and goes out, maybe he is trying not to lose his temper. he probably finds you very annoying. like a child that demands constant attention, following mummy into the loo. yet he kind of feels sorry for you too, and for old time's sake, doesn't quite cut with you. he is content to ramble along in the same way, mostly. but the thought of not having his own place to retreat to, to get away from you probably alarms him greatly. but he doesn't want to hurt, disappoint you by saying so clearly. so he lets you assume that he wants to live together, but he couldn't bear it in reality, and sometimes that conflict in the inner self causes his shortness. this is my reaction. i expect others to disagree. but you asked, so here it is. of course i may be completely wrong. who knows. i wish you, and him, well. life is short, make the most of it.
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