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This isn't good is it? I'm kind of scared.

190 replies

Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 01:09

Together on and off 28 years. Not married, no children. For reasons that would be outing I don't want to get into details about why we didnt marry or move in together, but we never felt the need to when young, and his financial/work situation made this difficult.

What I want to know is what you may think of these details I am going to write.

Some info:
He often misinterprets my words and questions - if I ask if he might want to talk/chat (when he might be busy reading etc) I am accused of 'accusing him', of making him out to be a bad person, or he says I am IMPLYING that he is ignoring me. All far off the mark.
I can say something like 'hey, you're quiet!" and he will often over react horribly, telling me I am implying he is 'up to something' or that I have an ulterior motive, such as being disappointed with him (I promise I am not!).
It isn't like paranoia, just a permanent defensiveness. He doesn't shout, but can be really imposing and unpleasant and it really knocks me off kilter.

For a long time now, he doesn't seem to want to converse with me, particularly about anything deep (feelings, politics, art, music, the world, stuff). Only really seems to talk to me about surface, trivial stuff. Never used to be this bad. It has become much worse in last 8 months. If I bring it up, in a non confrontational way, he is really pissed off with me and says I am criticising him (when I am emphatically not) or 'making him feel crazy'.

There's a lot of denial. About so much irrelevant stuff.
We have discussed this over time and he always says he will give it some thought, try to cut it out. I have been open, inviting him to explore it, I don't harass him, or make him feel bad. These are reactions to such odd things like taking rubbish out to bin, or about the shopping list, etc. If it involves anything deep or emotional the reaction is worse and more unpleasant/stressed.
It is as if the defensiveness has eclipsed him, as if he is always under attack or having to protect himself. It makes regular conversations really hard going sometimes.

If I say, 'hey that wasn't nice', or 'that kind of confuses/hurts me', or 'why did you do that?' he will state, emphatically, no. He doesn't ask why or what makes me say that. Just a constant 'no'. 'No it isn't'. 'No I didnt', etc. Over time this makes me feel that my opinions or feelings are not valued or heard.

He states things rather than shows them. For example, he might state that he is a warm person, but looks disapproving or annoyed whilst saying it. I find it really confusing and I am tired out with it.

He isn't physically violent but if he is angry he will storm out of a room over things that don't make sense, creating a violent atmosphere which really unnerves me. He can't seem to deal with small conflicts well, whereas I am open and able to talk. Sometimes his aggression is imposing and makes me feel nervous, afraid. Not that I think he would hurt me, but that he is angry enough to. I often feel he is a tight spring that holds violence it back. He can be quite snippy and passive aggressive when he feels wronged, which is often these days, and doesn't seem to hear me when I say it is harmful to me. He promises but it just happens again.

He says he shares a view of our future, wants similar things. Wants to live with me eventually, what have you. Except in daily life there is never any discussion, interest or movement towards that. We have a 14 year age gap (he is older) and met when I was 20. He will soon be reaching pension age, and says we might not be able to live together because it would affect his pension (I am self employed). This is true, but I am of the mind that at this point in our lives we could easily muck in together and just share the running of a home. It is like he has a batchelor mentality, but doesn't want to lose me.

Over the past few decades he has often fired me off suddenly and dumped me. Mostly when I was younger and less confident. Usually the result of his growing disengagement and me trying to discuss/fix it. Fuse got blown, off he'd go. He always saw himself as the victim and quite cruelly ejected me from his life. It was often sudden and devastating for me. A few years would pass and we would become chums again, then drift back together. The cycle begins again. The grief I have gone through in the past over this is immense. I often had to find a place to live when it happened as I had been living with him on his tenancy.

I am also a creative, and don't wish to buy a home, but I did want to eventually live together, share the cost, and choose somewhere lovely to live. I can afford to live and work where I like, but he still doesn't seem terribly motivated. Neve mentions making a will, etc. He lives in a horrible area and admits it is stressful but is happy for me to find a new place somewhere nice and 'tag along to visit'.

I do think he loves me very much, in his own way, and he has always been faithful and honest. But it isn't enough. I have altered a lot over the years, am still growing, and learning a great deal about my past choices. He doesn't seem to be on the same 'page', I guess.

I think I want to leave, create finality, and am happy to do so, but it is hard to break past habits...

I apologise for the length, please be gentle. A lot going on this year, lost my mum, lots of changes, etc.
What I want to know is your opinion of those details I have written. What is going on with a person who has these traits? Are we just on different planets now or does some of that qualify as abuse? It often feels like that. I feel really guilty writing this about him, because he is lovely, too. What a mess.

OP posts:
DansMaPoche · 04/06/2021 16:11

He says he shares a view of our future, wants similar things. Wants to live with me eventually, what have you.

No he doesn't. He really, really doesn't. For 28 years, with no concrete reason to avoid making a proper commitment to you involving either marriage, or children, or a shared home, he has managed to avoid all three. And he still has the cheek to talk about 'your future' and what he wants 'eventually'?

He doesn't want things to go anywhere 'eventually' and it sounds as if he might not want it to go any further at all, in fact. Either he's tired of you and can't quite bring himself to say it, or he's feeling pressured and defensive because he senses you've finally run out of patience with his excuses.

What is crystal clear though, is that you are not getting a single thing more from this man than you already have.

DotsandCo · 04/06/2021 16:19

Jesus fucking Christ this is the saddest thing I've read in a while! What a waste of a life 😢 28 wasted years...no sex, not even living together...not even the remotest possibility of any of that!! There is nothing...NOTHING that would entice me to be in a 'relationship' like this!!! It is simply awful!!! Fuck that!

tsmainsqueeze · 04/06/2021 16:22

I can't see any positives in what you have written , the mention of the aggression alone that intimidates you would be enough for me to tell you to end it , if i was speaking to a friend.
Reading further he just doesn't sound like a very nice man.
Your post about moving to Cumbria is really positive , i can sense your excitement , you should go for it , don't look back , don't burden yourself with making do with someone like this who may get worse the older he gets.
Embrace your fresh new future , you have so many possibilities , no one has the right to hold someone down in this way .
You sound like you have made up your mind and are focusing on all the good things that may come your way .
Good luck in whatever life brings .

DotsandCo · 04/06/2021 16:27

Run for those beautiful Cumbrian hills OP...run like the wind and NEVER look back!!! 💐

Aspiringmatriarch · 04/06/2021 17:07

DotsandCo I don't think it's your place to tell OP she's wasted her life. By the sounds of it, she's a talented artist and a very good person who has no doubt done lots of worthwhile things. People aren't defined by their choice of relationship. I'm glad she's seen the light about this guy but your comment is so judgmental.

Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 17:52

they can appear shocking but the wasted life comments are understandable, I think it is a sort of gut reaction to the situation. I could feel it easily, but of course life isn't that simple, and whilst ive made some ridiculous decisions concerning this relationship, there is no point worrying about the past.

Thanks to this thread, I have started looking for properties, and have one ready to call on Monday. I really felt paralysed and unable to make a start.

He is fine with all of this, offering to help etc. He's been aware that I am looking for a place for months. He possibly thinks things will continue to roll on as they always did. Even when we split up he probably never thinks im 'gone'.

OP posts:
Joolsin · 04/06/2021 18:20

You sound lovely, interesting and the type of person I would like to know/be friends with. He, on the other hand, is a truly, truly horrible person. I send you every good wish as you organise this new and improved life for yourself. And once you have moved, block him and don't be tempted to remain "friends". He really is the epitome of "with friends like this, who needs enemies".

Polkadots2021 · 04/06/2021 18:24

I think life is short, he was a long chapter, and now you're ready for a new chapter. To stay where you are would be a waste of life. I'd appreciate all the great memories you two shared, reflect on the not so great ones, and call time on it, think of the ending to your book, then go live it (if you'll excuse the schmaltzy metaphor!). It sounds like it's time to move on.

CallMeCleo · 04/06/2021 18:28

This man is a total head fuck. Of all the descriptions of boyfriends I have read on Mumsnet, this one is the very worst. I am utterly bewildered that you want to ever spend one more minute in his company let alone move in!

I'm deeply concerned that you seem to think this is the best you can do, or that you have to put up with this headfuckery.

Face facts NOW: he's 62, and isn't going to change. You would be better off mentally and emotionally to break up with him.

You are only 48. If you see yourself as single there is a HUGE chance you will meet someone more compatible, someone easier to be with, who doesn't play all these mind games and drive you half crazy.

Please, please leave this horrible person.

Because you only have ONE life and you are wasting it.

Babygotblueyes · 04/06/2021 18:28

Either he is depressed and you are the focus of his issues, he is having some kind of hormone flux which happens to men as well as women, or he is just getting generally grumpier with age, which happens to a lot of people. Whatever the issue, you have become the dumping ground for this - his feelings are what they are, but he should be willing and able to communicate with you. The fact he wont is a bad sign. Maybe as he gets older he is struggling with aging, and your comparative youth just reinforces his feelings.

tornadosequins · 04/06/2021 18:36

It's really sad that he's broken you down so much you feel this horrible controlling abuse is in any way compatible with being loved or the actions of any loving person.

It's not. Ever.

I hope you finally break free of him and that the new life you start building for yourself will bring you peace and contentment.

It will take time and some days will be harder than others, but every little step forward and away from him takes you somewhere better, healthier, and happier.

One little step at a time. You don't have to tackle it all at once. One step, then the next.

Guavafish · 04/06/2021 18:43

Learn to drive first before moving to Cumbria! Take an intense driving course

NoMoreAngelDelight · 04/06/2021 18:44

He doesn’t love you, that is very clear from what you’ve said. Leave.

Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 19:04

@CallMeCleo

This man is a total head fuck. Of all the descriptions of boyfriends I have read on Mumsnet, this one is the very worst. I am utterly bewildered that you want to ever spend one more minute in his company let alone move in!

I'm deeply concerned that you seem to think this is the best you can do, or that you have to put up with this headfuckery.

Face facts NOW: he's 62, and isn't going to change. You would be better off mentally and emotionally to break up with him.

You are only 48. If you see yourself as single there is a HUGE chance you will meet someone more compatible, someone easier to be with, who doesn't play all these mind games and drive you half crazy.

Please, please leave this horrible person.

Because you only have ONE life and you are wasting it.

Strong words, but I do need to hear them. Thank you.

I don't think this is the best I can do though, and never really did. For some reason I have honestly just felt that I loved him, and yes, been head fucked into the bargain. I suppose over time it became harder and harder to visualise life without him, rather thane thinking I couldn't do/deserve better.

A lot to unravel here, and the process will take time, but it began a while ago now, wish I had written to MN back then!

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Fireflygal · 04/06/2021 19:09

Op, you are describing someone with narcisstic traits. Any time you had needs or were the focus of attention he would create issues. He is used to the cycle of devalue and hoover.

He is alwaysvthe victim and perceives slights everywhere. I suspect you have walked on eggshells and you also seem trauma bonded.

It doesn't surprise me that he has a toxic upbringing as that is likely to be the cause of his narcisstic behaviors. Once you have your eyes open it's hard to unsee but you must gwt out and stay out

Look up Dr Ramani on YouTube and also Dr Elinor Greenberg. It will help you to heal and move on. Good luck

GreenTeaPingPong · 04/06/2021 19:13

Ah those damaged and intense men, it's so easy to get drawn in, the more they put up the defensive wall, the more we long to somehow find a way to make a connection with them. It's so easy to mistake self-absorbedness for depth. You sound like you have a high degree of emotional intelligence and insight; he on the other hand has almost zero (never admits he's wrong or apologises, it's all about how hurt he is and how you're bad, he seems to have the emotional maturity of a 3-year-old).

And of course you've realised that every time you've experienced a truly awful trauma (miscarriage, bereavement, rape) he has not only utterly failed to be there for you, to support you as a partner should, but has actually made you feel worse about yourself, as if you've somehow caused his cruelty.

I'm so glad that you're taking steps to move on with your life and leave him behind. A beautiful future awaits you (yes, that's scary, but what adventures aren't?) Flowers

Moonface123 · 04/06/2021 19:28

This chapter of your life is over. I would move to Cumbria and embrace new beginnings. He just isn't capable of giving you what you want. It's all on his terms. What woman could really be happy with the limited amount he's willing to offer? It sounds like you have given it your best shot, but my advice would be stop knocking on closed doors. Time to move on.

Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 19:40

It's strange but the majority of the comments on this thread are telling me what I already know, although in a more concentrated and less chaotic manner than the jumble inside of my head.

I wondered why I had written it and now I understand that rather than needing help to see the damage, I need encouragement, and injection of courage. You are all telling me what I already know, and the act of writing it down and sending it out there has helped to clarify so much for me.
I appreciate that very much.

There is so much more I could say, about what has happened over the years, but this would only result in people becoming even more appalled.

Things have reached a crisis point for me though, recently. Since spending lockdown bubbled up with him here I have basically chewed my fingers to hell, a sort of self annihilation or something. I have picked at and damaged my nails and fingertips until they have formed blisters, cuts and scars. Never done anything like that before, ever. Some of the cuts burst open when handing my bags back to an Ocado driver last week and I was mortified Sad

Over the years a lot of the stress has got into my body, I suffered terrible bouts of health anxiety and anorexia in my 20's. Whilst long since recovered form that, I can now see that the patterns formed by this have direct correlation with my relationship and being hurt by it. I never suffered any issues prior to meeting him.

I need to protect more than just my heart.
Thanks again.

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DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 04/06/2021 20:03

He sounds so bad for you on many levels.
You are only 48. Free yourself. You don't have to put up with this. You say you can live and work where you want which is fantastic.

Focus on the many practical things you can do now to achieve your new life. As pp said, intensive driving lessons are available.

It sounds like you need to find some counselling in real life to help you come to terms with what you've been through and strengthen your resolve.

sweetrocket · 04/06/2021 20:04

This is such sad reading. For many reasons, known and unknown, you have been stuck in this relationship, but you can leave. Be really kind to yourself and don't fall into the same pattern with someone new. You are important. You have value. Believe it and move on.

Whydidimarryhim · 04/06/2021 20:05

You have been very brave to post some of your story.
I think he feels he owns you.
He has been very very cruel to you and he’s not healthy.
I’d be mindful of telling him where you are moving too.
He may just turn up.
Have you thought of therapy for yourself just to keep you on track.
Could you get a mortgage and buy or is that something you have ruled out.
It’s great you have work connections in Cumbria and you like the area.
I wish you well.

Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 20:20

I think he feels he owns you.

I relate to this. Difficult to describe.
The day I came to terms with not doubting myself was when I realised that he becomes more morose and odd towards me the more confident I am.
He 'says' he wants me to be happy and encourages this, but when I actually am, he seems to brood and look uncomfortable.
Once seen, cannot be unseen. Better late than never.

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rosabug · 04/06/2021 20:49

I'm a professional creative too, so was my ex. It is kind of relevant because I think we see ourselves as being comfortable outside of normative structures. We also imagine we will not meet like minded people so easily.

We also tend to write more 'complex' narratives about the relationship for ourselves. But these beliefs are probably clouding the situation and keeping you attached to a person with serious avoidant attachment issues. The relationship is exactly what it is. Nothing more. You have more than enough evidence.

I think the death of a parent can cause things to shift profoundly. I can't go into it here, but I can trace the long final and traumatic years of my 20+ year relationship with an attachment avoidant man, to the death of my mother.

It might be time to grasp life and let go of this disappointing relationship. It's not too late. You will be entering the unknown but that has to be better that more years of this.

I am 60 now and sometimes lonely - but god - I would not want to be that person I was - permanently frustrated, confused and living with rejection. Fuck that.

tsmainsqueeze · 04/06/2021 21:27

Just read more of your thread ,i can't believe how cruel this man has been to you , please listen to every word said here and make that plan to start your new life as soon as you possibly can
His treatment of you following your miscarriage ! i know how that feels , your heart breaking ,at your most vulnerable , in pain.
Unforgivable ,i can imagine how your parents must have felt .
What an absolute evil ,cruel monster .

Crikeyalmighty · 04/06/2021 23:06

Without wishing to sound mercenary I think this guy who it seems has managed to accumulate next to zero despite being 62 is planning on claiming benefits etc and you moving in possibly earning will totally bugger up claiming in his own name as household income counts—- that’s not the thought process of someone who loves you unconditionally— it’s the thought process of a user— and that’s what I think he is— he likes doing his own thing with the knowledge their is always someone there to give a shit. Move on OP, he may well like you a lot- but he’s a user.