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This isn't good is it? I'm kind of scared.

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Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 01:09

Together on and off 28 years. Not married, no children. For reasons that would be outing I don't want to get into details about why we didnt marry or move in together, but we never felt the need to when young, and his financial/work situation made this difficult.

What I want to know is what you may think of these details I am going to write.

Some info:
He often misinterprets my words and questions - if I ask if he might want to talk/chat (when he might be busy reading etc) I am accused of 'accusing him', of making him out to be a bad person, or he says I am IMPLYING that he is ignoring me. All far off the mark.
I can say something like 'hey, you're quiet!" and he will often over react horribly, telling me I am implying he is 'up to something' or that I have an ulterior motive, such as being disappointed with him (I promise I am not!).
It isn't like paranoia, just a permanent defensiveness. He doesn't shout, but can be really imposing and unpleasant and it really knocks me off kilter.

For a long time now, he doesn't seem to want to converse with me, particularly about anything deep (feelings, politics, art, music, the world, stuff). Only really seems to talk to me about surface, trivial stuff. Never used to be this bad. It has become much worse in last 8 months. If I bring it up, in a non confrontational way, he is really pissed off with me and says I am criticising him (when I am emphatically not) or 'making him feel crazy'.

There's a lot of denial. About so much irrelevant stuff.
We have discussed this over time and he always says he will give it some thought, try to cut it out. I have been open, inviting him to explore it, I don't harass him, or make him feel bad. These are reactions to such odd things like taking rubbish out to bin, or about the shopping list, etc. If it involves anything deep or emotional the reaction is worse and more unpleasant/stressed.
It is as if the defensiveness has eclipsed him, as if he is always under attack or having to protect himself. It makes regular conversations really hard going sometimes.

If I say, 'hey that wasn't nice', or 'that kind of confuses/hurts me', or 'why did you do that?' he will state, emphatically, no. He doesn't ask why or what makes me say that. Just a constant 'no'. 'No it isn't'. 'No I didnt', etc. Over time this makes me feel that my opinions or feelings are not valued or heard.

He states things rather than shows them. For example, he might state that he is a warm person, but looks disapproving or annoyed whilst saying it. I find it really confusing and I am tired out with it.

He isn't physically violent but if he is angry he will storm out of a room over things that don't make sense, creating a violent atmosphere which really unnerves me. He can't seem to deal with small conflicts well, whereas I am open and able to talk. Sometimes his aggression is imposing and makes me feel nervous, afraid. Not that I think he would hurt me, but that he is angry enough to. I often feel he is a tight spring that holds violence it back. He can be quite snippy and passive aggressive when he feels wronged, which is often these days, and doesn't seem to hear me when I say it is harmful to me. He promises but it just happens again.

He says he shares a view of our future, wants similar things. Wants to live with me eventually, what have you. Except in daily life there is never any discussion, interest or movement towards that. We have a 14 year age gap (he is older) and met when I was 20. He will soon be reaching pension age, and says we might not be able to live together because it would affect his pension (I am self employed). This is true, but I am of the mind that at this point in our lives we could easily muck in together and just share the running of a home. It is like he has a batchelor mentality, but doesn't want to lose me.

Over the past few decades he has often fired me off suddenly and dumped me. Mostly when I was younger and less confident. Usually the result of his growing disengagement and me trying to discuss/fix it. Fuse got blown, off he'd go. He always saw himself as the victim and quite cruelly ejected me from his life. It was often sudden and devastating for me. A few years would pass and we would become chums again, then drift back together. The cycle begins again. The grief I have gone through in the past over this is immense. I often had to find a place to live when it happened as I had been living with him on his tenancy.

I am also a creative, and don't wish to buy a home, but I did want to eventually live together, share the cost, and choose somewhere lovely to live. I can afford to live and work where I like, but he still doesn't seem terribly motivated. Neve mentions making a will, etc. He lives in a horrible area and admits it is stressful but is happy for me to find a new place somewhere nice and 'tag along to visit'.

I do think he loves me very much, in his own way, and he has always been faithful and honest. But it isn't enough. I have altered a lot over the years, am still growing, and learning a great deal about my past choices. He doesn't seem to be on the same 'page', I guess.

I think I want to leave, create finality, and am happy to do so, but it is hard to break past habits...

I apologise for the length, please be gentle. A lot going on this year, lost my mum, lots of changes, etc.
What I want to know is your opinion of those details I have written. What is going on with a person who has these traits? Are we just on different planets now or does some of that qualify as abuse? It often feels like that. I feel really guilty writing this about him, because he is lovely, too. What a mess.

OP posts:
Acatchasingitsowntail · 07/06/2021 16:36

@MintyCedric

I am scared of screwing up, having been living by someone else's choices for so long

It is a scary move to make, but you can do this.

FWIW I let my mum have far too much input into my decision making in my late teens and early twenties, met my XH just before I turned 21 and was with him until I was 40.

In many ways he was similar to your 'partner' - prone to sulking, long silences (his record was six weeks, we had a 1yo at the time), aggressive behaviour although never actually physically violent to me directly, never took responsibility for his behaviour or any disagreements between us.

It's now nearly 5 years since I left him. I have moved twice, bought my own home, changed job, raised my daughter and dealt with the long term illness and ultimately death of my beloved dad.

And I'm still standing...it's not always been easy, but it was the right decision and I can honestly say that however hard things have gotten I have never regretted my choice.

It's so clear from your posts that you are a lovely, strong, intelligent, articulate woman with so much potential. Break free and live the life you were meant to...you deserve it Flowers.

Thank you for such a lovely post. I'm so sorry to hear about your dad.

Glad to hear you have moved forward though, it sounds like you had a lucky escape, even though you were together for such a long time. That's a incredible life change, and so encouraging x

OP posts:
Acatchasingitsowntail · 07/06/2021 16:39

[quote Yellowtulips33]@Acatchasingitsowntail

Is there any possibility that he has read this thread? Your last post unfortunately makes me think he might have.[/quote]
I don't think so, but I have put a passcode on for when I am away from laptop/iPad.

Last night and this morning were rough. We actually had a small argument this morning, I was in a dreadful mood after sod all sleep and tore into him. It cleared the air a little, he's in best behaviour mode at the moment. He really doesn't like to be thought of as a bad person. For now, I just need peace.

OP posts:
Acatchasingitsowntail · 07/06/2021 16:44

To update - I have put in an application for a property with a view to seeing it later this week. Would rather not way where as it is very specific.

Estate agent said I would have to go up there today to view, as half the population fo the UK were viewing it this afternoon!
Odd really, as it says the property has been online since mid-May. Hmm. I wonder why they all chose the day I called to visit!!?

Have another to look into but there's not much on the market in my preferred areas just now, even if I go further out.

Well, we shall see what happens. He seems very keen for me to hurry up and go, but did say he had already worked out the train/bus info to various areas. When ive had some decent sleep I will probably find this depressingly funny.

OP posts:
Taliskerskye · 07/06/2021 17:51

I echo what others have said on here. I was in a similar position but for only 10 years. It’s like herion. Being with a proper narcissist or at least someone with a personality disorder. I am finally free, but a part of me knows that he will try and come back in some way. And the thing that scares me about that is not him, but me.

It’s very scary being with someone like that. And they always are your saviour. Mine would do anything for me. But the horrific things he did I sort of managed to make a fuzzy memory. Or I totally wiped them memory completely.

It’s physically damaging to your health to. As you can see by your nail.

I really hope you can get free. Because that’s literally what you’re aiming for. Freedom

billy1966 · 07/06/2021 18:38

Willing you to freedom OP.
Flowers

YouGetUpNow · 08/06/2021 08:14

Oh OP this is no life. Hope the new place is good for you. It doesn’t have to be perfect!! After all you are almost FREE!

I was with an abusive man for 3 years and the delicious freedom of getting 100 + miles away from him was just life affirmingly (Sp?) bloody wonderful!

20 years later now and I’m having a great life, the usual ups and downs but a great life... I’m doing what I want to do when I want to do it!

Go for it!

Acatchasingitsowntail · 08/06/2021 14:44

Thanks again everyone, you've no idea how much this has helped me.

I am having doubts about a close friend now, not something dreadful, but since opening this Pandora's box it seems to have shone a light onto other things I had been pushing aside. Stuff forming patterns over time.
It's gonna be a long slog to realisation and repair, but the truth is I can't turn back now, it would be like walking into a predators lair...

I love the concept I have of the future though, that's one thing that keeps me focused. A long way off, but whatever.

Lots of physical issues this week, IBS, constipation, possibly a reaction to shock and stress. I can't let the anxiety get in.

OP posts:
rainbowruthie · 08/06/2021 18:57

Sending kind thoughts and positive vibes

billy1966 · 08/06/2021 19:54

Sending you good wishes.
Flowers

loveyourself2020 · 08/06/2021 20:05

Dear OP I just wanted to chime in and send you some positive vibes via the net. I totally understand how you must be feeling, I am in the same boat. In the process of separation after 26 years, still living under the same roof, just told the kids. I totally get it how you are saying you have all these ailments these days, same here. Apart from feeling anxiety, this raw sickness in the pit of my stomach almost all the time, I also get heart palpitations, high blood pressure, headaches, nausea, body aches…

This morning I sat down to meditate (as I am trying to do every day these days) and I could not relax, could not steady my breath, the sickness in my tummy was killing me. Then I heard my STBX exit the house, on his way to work. Almost immediately I could feel my muscles twitch and relax, I could feel my breath steadying and my whole body relaxing. My jaw unclenching and my stomach relaxing. I thought to myself, “see this is why you have to do this”.

Hang in there, be strong, we are rooting for you Flowers

ThePurpleOctopus · 10/06/2021 16:51

How are you @Acatchasingitsowntail?

iknowimcoming · 15/06/2021 15:17

How are you getting on @Acatchasingitsowntail? Hope things are progressing for you Thanks

crimsonlake · 15/06/2021 17:41

''Well you don't seem suited.
but as i read your OP, i felt a bit sorry for him.
you relate interrupting him while he is busy reading, to demand why he is not talking. i would find that very annoying. and rather intimidating.
so i can kind of see how he feels like a victim.
and when he suddenly gets up and goes out, maybe he is trying not to lose his temper.
he probably finds you very annoying. like a child that demands constant attention, following mummy into the loo.
yet he kind of feels sorry for you too, and for old time's sake, doesn't quite cut with you.
he is content to ramble along in the same way, mostly.
but the thought of not having his own place to retreat to, to get away from you probably alarms him greatly.
but he doesn't want to hurt, disappoint you by saying so clearly.
so he lets you assume that he wants to live together, but he couldn't bear it in reality, and sometimes that conflict in the inner self causes his shortness.
this is my reaction. i expect others to disagree. but you asked, so here it is.
of course i may be completely wrong. who knows.
i wish you, and him, well. life is short, make the most of it.''

I agree with all of this...
Together for 28 years??? The way this was initially reading I thought you were much younger and had not been together long. You are not compatible at all are you really?

User52739 · 15/06/2021 17:51

He sounds abusive, draining, unkind and exhausting. Dare to imagine what your life could be like without this millstone around your neck.

Newestname001 · 30/06/2021 04:31

I hope you are well @Acatchasingitsowntail? 🌹

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