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This isn't good is it? I'm kind of scared.

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Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 01:09

Together on and off 28 years. Not married, no children. For reasons that would be outing I don't want to get into details about why we didnt marry or move in together, but we never felt the need to when young, and his financial/work situation made this difficult.

What I want to know is what you may think of these details I am going to write.

Some info:
He often misinterprets my words and questions - if I ask if he might want to talk/chat (when he might be busy reading etc) I am accused of 'accusing him', of making him out to be a bad person, or he says I am IMPLYING that he is ignoring me. All far off the mark.
I can say something like 'hey, you're quiet!" and he will often over react horribly, telling me I am implying he is 'up to something' or that I have an ulterior motive, such as being disappointed with him (I promise I am not!).
It isn't like paranoia, just a permanent defensiveness. He doesn't shout, but can be really imposing and unpleasant and it really knocks me off kilter.

For a long time now, he doesn't seem to want to converse with me, particularly about anything deep (feelings, politics, art, music, the world, stuff). Only really seems to talk to me about surface, trivial stuff. Never used to be this bad. It has become much worse in last 8 months. If I bring it up, in a non confrontational way, he is really pissed off with me and says I am criticising him (when I am emphatically not) or 'making him feel crazy'.

There's a lot of denial. About so much irrelevant stuff.
We have discussed this over time and he always says he will give it some thought, try to cut it out. I have been open, inviting him to explore it, I don't harass him, or make him feel bad. These are reactions to such odd things like taking rubbish out to bin, or about the shopping list, etc. If it involves anything deep or emotional the reaction is worse and more unpleasant/stressed.
It is as if the defensiveness has eclipsed him, as if he is always under attack or having to protect himself. It makes regular conversations really hard going sometimes.

If I say, 'hey that wasn't nice', or 'that kind of confuses/hurts me', or 'why did you do that?' he will state, emphatically, no. He doesn't ask why or what makes me say that. Just a constant 'no'. 'No it isn't'. 'No I didnt', etc. Over time this makes me feel that my opinions or feelings are not valued or heard.

He states things rather than shows them. For example, he might state that he is a warm person, but looks disapproving or annoyed whilst saying it. I find it really confusing and I am tired out with it.

He isn't physically violent but if he is angry he will storm out of a room over things that don't make sense, creating a violent atmosphere which really unnerves me. He can't seem to deal with small conflicts well, whereas I am open and able to talk. Sometimes his aggression is imposing and makes me feel nervous, afraid. Not that I think he would hurt me, but that he is angry enough to. I often feel he is a tight spring that holds violence it back. He can be quite snippy and passive aggressive when he feels wronged, which is often these days, and doesn't seem to hear me when I say it is harmful to me. He promises but it just happens again.

He says he shares a view of our future, wants similar things. Wants to live with me eventually, what have you. Except in daily life there is never any discussion, interest or movement towards that. We have a 14 year age gap (he is older) and met when I was 20. He will soon be reaching pension age, and says we might not be able to live together because it would affect his pension (I am self employed). This is true, but I am of the mind that at this point in our lives we could easily muck in together and just share the running of a home. It is like he has a batchelor mentality, but doesn't want to lose me.

Over the past few decades he has often fired me off suddenly and dumped me. Mostly when I was younger and less confident. Usually the result of his growing disengagement and me trying to discuss/fix it. Fuse got blown, off he'd go. He always saw himself as the victim and quite cruelly ejected me from his life. It was often sudden and devastating for me. A few years would pass and we would become chums again, then drift back together. The cycle begins again. The grief I have gone through in the past over this is immense. I often had to find a place to live when it happened as I had been living with him on his tenancy.

I am also a creative, and don't wish to buy a home, but I did want to eventually live together, share the cost, and choose somewhere lovely to live. I can afford to live and work where I like, but he still doesn't seem terribly motivated. Neve mentions making a will, etc. He lives in a horrible area and admits it is stressful but is happy for me to find a new place somewhere nice and 'tag along to visit'.

I do think he loves me very much, in his own way, and he has always been faithful and honest. But it isn't enough. I have altered a lot over the years, am still growing, and learning a great deal about my past choices. He doesn't seem to be on the same 'page', I guess.

I think I want to leave, create finality, and am happy to do so, but it is hard to break past habits...

I apologise for the length, please be gentle. A lot going on this year, lost my mum, lots of changes, etc.
What I want to know is your opinion of those details I have written. What is going on with a person who has these traits? Are we just on different planets now or does some of that qualify as abuse? It often feels like that. I feel really guilty writing this about him, because he is lovely, too. What a mess.

OP posts:
Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 23:12

@rosabug

I'm a professional creative too, so was my ex. It is kind of relevant because I think we see ourselves as being comfortable outside of normative structures. We also imagine we will not meet like minded people so easily.

We also tend to write more 'complex' narratives about the relationship for ourselves. But these beliefs are probably clouding the situation and keeping you attached to a person with serious avoidant attachment issues. The relationship is exactly what it is. Nothing more. You have more than enough evidence.

I think the death of a parent can cause things to shift profoundly. I can't go into it here, but I can trace the long final and traumatic years of my 20+ year relationship with an attachment avoidant man, to the death of my mother.

It might be time to grasp life and let go of this disappointing relationship. It's not too late. You will be entering the unknown but that has to be better that more years of this.

I am 60 now and sometimes lonely - but god - I would not want to be that person I was - permanently frustrated, confused and living with rejection. Fuck that.

Ok I get this, completely. Thank you for sharing this perspective. At this point i don't need telling, but hearing similar dynamics is very helpful.
OP posts:
Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 23:16

@Crikeyalmighty

Without wishing to sound mercenary I think this guy who it seems has managed to accumulate next to zero despite being 62 is planning on claiming benefits etc and you moving in possibly earning will totally bugger up claiming in his own name as household income counts—- that’s not the thought process of someone who loves you unconditionally— it’s the thought process of a user— and that’s what I think he is— he likes doing his own thing with the knowledge their is always someone there to give a shit. Move on OP, he may well like you a lot- but he’s a user.
Not mercenary. Not here. It's true. I have always loathed and disagreed with the persistent view of people on benefits being inferior or lazy. I would not judge a man on his income. It's bullshit and harmful to say the least. But this guy chose it, as he thought it would enable him to be an artist and give the finger to his parents. Sadly he is insanely talented and can't even rustle up the wherewithal to start his own website or social media. I love and care for him, and I know he isn't a bad person, but Jesus Christ I can't do this any more.
OP posts:
Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 23:19

I have never been able to live with him because to do so would fuck up his claim, basically. I do not want people to look down on him for that. But why a lifetime? I can't parse that.
I have had money, have offered to pay the rent, he could work in so many areas in self employment so easily, but he wont even consider being free of it. It is like he convinced himself that this way is the safe way, and it really isn't.

OP posts:
Nonmaquillee · 04/06/2021 23:28

Sorry OP I have only read your opening post and nothing else but what you’ve written is so sad. He sounds like a narcissist; please google “narcissistic rage”, for example, as this may resonate with you.
Please please get away from this man and find some peace in your life.

Acatchasingitsowntail · 05/06/2021 00:39

@Nonmaquillee

Sorry OP I have only read your opening post and nothing else but what you’ve written is so sad. He sounds like a narcissist; please google “narcissistic rage”, for example, as this may resonate with you. Please please get away from this man and find some peace in your life.
He has always made sure everything in his environment is compliant. I have gone along with this. Our whole lives have been set up to justify this. many of these points make sense, I am shocked. I feel sympathy and pain for him. it makes me sad. More sympathetic.

still, I am going.

OP posts:
PurpleTrilby · 05/06/2021 01:16

You can do this. It's your time finally. But I suggest very strongly that you do NOT accept any "help" from him. And also do NOT give him your new address when the time comes. He's already stalked you before. You owe him nothing. In fact you've already paid any debt a thousand times over. Plan, run and don't look back.

Newestname001 · 05/06/2021 01:26

@Acatchasingitsowntail

I feel ^sympathy and pain for him.
it makes me sad. More sympathetic.
^

He doesn't need any of this from you - not any more; he is more than capable of surviving, even flourishing, without this.

still, I am going.

Good! I'm so glad but, as others have said, please keep your general location and address from him. He will not easily let you go after decades of his awful and selfish treatments you. 🌹

Nancydrawn · 05/06/2021 02:42

I'm not sure that he isn't a bad person. I don't say that to be cruel, OP, and I understand that you care for him.

But this is a man who threw you out after a miscarriage, who's manipulated you into giving up your education, who's stalked you, who's guilted you for decades over a relationship you had when the two of you weren't together, who was unsupportive and even creepy following a sexual assault, and who feels consistently violent.

I'm not sure that's a description of a good person. It's certainly not a description of a person who does good things. Being a creative is not an excuse for cruelty.

I wish you the best. I think Cumbria sounds like a beautiful plan. Stay safe as you plan to leave--it can be a dangerous time, however the relationship is configured.

me4real · 05/06/2021 02:55

He is a patient, helpful person
I can be myself with him.

@Acatchasingitsowntail This is so far from true. He reminds me of my latest ex. He can appear like a dear friend/supportive partner. It is when a partner needs him most- rape, miscarriage etc, that he lets them down.

When you're really upset about something is when he'll be least caring; at least some of the time, and you never know when the heartless reaction is going to come.

That makes any nice words and actions at other times fairly meaningless, and also has a very negative effect on your mental health.

Best wishes for the house hunting, please let us know how everything goes. xx

debbrianna · 05/06/2021 03:21

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litterbird · 05/06/2021 07:06

Just read the whole of this heart breaking thread. I am so excited for you that you are going. You will slowly recover from him and become free and energised. This will translate into your art. Please take the advise from others that he is not to be a part of your new life. He is part of your past and never to be re visited. He has history or stalking behaviours so bear that in mind when you move. Once he realises you have moved on without him be prepared for him to try and get you back. Learn to drive, learn to be free and learn to live your life for you not some terrible narc who has controlled your adult life so far. Good luck OP!

Chocaholic9 · 05/06/2021 07:26

I agree OP that he sounds like a narcissist. I was raised by one and your descriptions of him remind me of my childhood.

I hope you will leave because if you don't, I think you will really regret wasting any more time on this man. He sounds deeply unpleasant and you have suffered through more than enough.

Chocaholic9 · 05/06/2021 07:27

You don't need to be friends with him. If you are, you could be sucked back into this abusive relationship again.

ShouldersBackChestOutChinUp · 05/06/2021 08:37

Is it even wise that he knows your new address given his past alarming behaviour?

me4real · 05/06/2021 11:44

@Acatchasingitsowntail Shouldersback makes a good point. Also, have as little as possible contact with him (block him ideally) after you've split up with him, so he can't hoover you back in.

OnGoldenPond · 05/06/2021 12:51

OP, he is a bad person. Even "insanely talented"
people can be nasty and cruel. In fact, there is a long tradition of talented creatives thinking this excuses all their bad behaviour and perhaps you bought into the romantic idea of the tortured genius?

In reality he is a common or garden nasty abuser, nothing romantic about that.

You have the potential to build a great future for yourself if you get away now and CUT ALL TIES with this man. Forgot any idea of being friends, he will NEVER be your friend, he just wants to suck the life out of you for his own ends. Don't let him. Don't tell him about your plans, leave and don't let him know where you are going.

Just think about the lovely life you will have in your own cosy place in beautiful Cumbria. I am so excited for you! Smile

Good luck Thanks

Acatchasingitsowntail · 05/06/2021 12:59

Recently I realised that I suspect I've been reading him wrong all of these years. I have had a fixed image of him as laid back, supportive, sweet. I have never perceived him as someone who creates drama.

But, over the past year ive noticed that he absolutely does create drama, but sort of forces you to do it for him. Meaning: he will use silence and sulking to prolong misunderstandings (wounded animal) or withdraw care and attention from me when he knows he's hurt me.
He was particularly touchy and aggressive around the time my mother died last year, like over reacting to things I said or did. I noticed a pattern forming of him going into long protracted sulks and me having to 'talk and fix' it the next day. This process was stupidly exhausting. Considering I was dealing with a loss, it was like carrying an extra heavy burden on top.
Emotionally speaking, I have to do all of the work. There's no thought for whether that might be stressful for me.

I have also only just remembered that he never once apologised. Looked sheepish a few times but never said sorry or tried to talk to me about any of it. If I didn't talk and fix it, it didnt get fixed.

He seems to hold too many violences within, great bottled up anger over slights he has suffered in his past (his mother, unfaithful ex, etc) and does not appear to have ever worked on any of that anger over the years, as if it is bottled up. He doesn't seem to want to fix things, head goes in the sand I think. This means I am changing and growing over time, but he doest. I think my 'growing' and evolving forward really pisses him off.

However, throughout the years I have chosen to see him as 'there for me', because he's the type of guy who will do anything for you, practical things, stuff to help out. I have somehow convinced myself that I wont be able to cope if he wasn't around. I am so ashamed to write that, but it is especially true regarding this vague anxiety I have that I might get ill or die, this might sound utterly irrational, and it is, but I get this dreadful fear inside like im a small child.Blush
What I'd love to know is how I have managed to internalise something like that, and how to get rid of it. Perhaps I have got used to having someone physically present.

OP posts:
Acatchasingitsowntail · 05/06/2021 13:19

Again, thank you for the lovely messages about Cumbria, and for lending support. It is difficult to process a lot of this but I do want to stress that I am most definitely not going back.
I think he can already feel something a little different, although I am getting along fine with him. Perhaps he can sense that I have stopped trying to 'reach' him.

I also think I will detach in stages, not a grand gesture of cutting him off. He will initially be very glad to see me gone, as is the usual pattern all these years. What I need to do this time, after I leave, is stop confiding in him, oversharing my thoughts and deeper self, as this is what 'seals' his perception of ownership over me, I think.
I am already prepared for the possibility that he might sense this and become unpredictable. It fills me with a surge of panic, but I will use this time to work on that.

OP posts:
Changechangychange · 05/06/2021 14:54

“It is especially true regarding this vague anxiety I have that I might get ill or die”

OP, very gently, he has shown you already that if you get ill or are dying, he will get angry, throw you out, and cut contact. Which would be far worse than dealing with it by yourself from the start.

If he had so little shame that he publicly kicked you out for having a miscarriage, do you think he would have any shame in throwing you out for getting cancer? Especially now you have no parents to stick up for you?

iknowimcoming · 05/06/2021 15:30

Can you join some local Facebook groups for the area you want to move to? And maybe rent a room/annexe in a property there for a short time whilst you find somewhere more permanent, that way you could get to know the area a bit better before committing to something long term AND it would mean you could go quickly and enjoy the summer there. Tbh I know it seems somewhat risky but I almost feel you should just go with something that looks good online, just to get you started and away from him. You can always move again! I really want you to get away from him ASAP - perhaps we can use the power of Mumsnet to find you somewhere suitable?

Acatchasingitsowntail · 05/06/2021 16:50

What a lovely thought, thank you!

I have been doing a little research on a couple of properties that I am interested in and will be making some phone calls on Monday.

Feeling a little better now, felt dreadful when I woke up today, full of anxiety and irrational fear. I think it is because I really will be stepping out alone for the first time in my life, with no family support and my 2 closest friends living many miles away. It is a tough thing to do, but I have dreamed of this liberation for soooo long and am equally very exited to just get out there and do it.
Loads of little negative thoughts trying to burrow in but am keeping an eye on them.

And, I suppose, instead of considering whether or not he has ever been there for me when ill or afraid, I need to concentrate on why I hold such a fear in the first place. It feels a bit scary but also pretty great to prioritise me, for once.

OP posts:
Skiptheheartsandflowers · 05/06/2021 17:51

He sounds like every time you've had anything happen to you, good or bad, that's made you the centre of attention or in need of support, he's resented it. You're fine as long as you are a support player to him, the big chief. Definitely time to redesign your life around your hopes, dreams and creative plans. It's an exciting prospect!

About your fears of being alone or ill. It's worth remembering that most people are kind and nice and willing to help others. If, for example, my next door neighbour (who I barely know) had knocked on my door in the situation you were in with your miscarriage, I would have been more than willing to help her and look after her - more so than your so called partner was to look after you at the time. If you let go of this man who begrudges you his time and attention, you'll get the help you need from elsewhere when you need it.

Welshgal85 · 05/06/2021 18:01

Oh OP, I really really feel for you but so pleased you have decided to leave. You absolutely need to put yourself first and do what is best for you. You deserve better than him. He sounds like such a toxic person. Once you leave are you planning to cut contact with him permanently? I fear if you leave the door of communication open he will continue to creep back when it suits him and try and control and manipulate you and your emotions.

I hope you have a lovely life in Cumbria, remember that you can do this and you deserve to be truly happy Flowers

FlowerArranger · 05/06/2021 19:16

Glad to hear you are planning to rid yourself of this abusive jerk. However, I would suggest not to detach in stages, and certainly do not make a grand gesture of cutting him off. Don't give him further opportunities to hurt you or rope you back in. I'd just quietly pack and leave, preferably when he is not around, and not leave a forwarding address. I'm generally not in favour of ghosting, but for your emotional (and possibly physical?) safety, I feel it's the way to go.

Giantrooster · 05/06/2021 21:49

You describe your life and partner so insightful, op. But it's so chilling, your calm, I don't know how you reached that.

It seems a twisted half-incestuous relationship, I can't help but thinking of a parasite latching on to you when young and taking the place of... you. He has gnawed you empty, always in control of you.

I know this is of no use to you, but I cannot help posting, because I fear that he will still feel in control, that's why he is seemingly supportive. He is sure he can reel you in, not because he has always been able to, but because he is sure of his absolute dominance of you.

Don't let him support you on your way forward, don't let him know where you go. Please stop all contact, if you are going to do this for real, you can never go back to even speaking with him. Even though you feel you can, as a parasite he will latch on to you and break your determination again.

I'm sorry, I'm so gloomy but your story reads a psychological thriller, I so wish for you to break free and move forward Thanks.