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This isn't good is it? I'm kind of scared.

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Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 01:09

Together on and off 28 years. Not married, no children. For reasons that would be outing I don't want to get into details about why we didnt marry or move in together, but we never felt the need to when young, and his financial/work situation made this difficult.

What I want to know is what you may think of these details I am going to write.

Some info:
He often misinterprets my words and questions - if I ask if he might want to talk/chat (when he might be busy reading etc) I am accused of 'accusing him', of making him out to be a bad person, or he says I am IMPLYING that he is ignoring me. All far off the mark.
I can say something like 'hey, you're quiet!" and he will often over react horribly, telling me I am implying he is 'up to something' or that I have an ulterior motive, such as being disappointed with him (I promise I am not!).
It isn't like paranoia, just a permanent defensiveness. He doesn't shout, but can be really imposing and unpleasant and it really knocks me off kilter.

For a long time now, he doesn't seem to want to converse with me, particularly about anything deep (feelings, politics, art, music, the world, stuff). Only really seems to talk to me about surface, trivial stuff. Never used to be this bad. It has become much worse in last 8 months. If I bring it up, in a non confrontational way, he is really pissed off with me and says I am criticising him (when I am emphatically not) or 'making him feel crazy'.

There's a lot of denial. About so much irrelevant stuff.
We have discussed this over time and he always says he will give it some thought, try to cut it out. I have been open, inviting him to explore it, I don't harass him, or make him feel bad. These are reactions to such odd things like taking rubbish out to bin, or about the shopping list, etc. If it involves anything deep or emotional the reaction is worse and more unpleasant/stressed.
It is as if the defensiveness has eclipsed him, as if he is always under attack or having to protect himself. It makes regular conversations really hard going sometimes.

If I say, 'hey that wasn't nice', or 'that kind of confuses/hurts me', or 'why did you do that?' he will state, emphatically, no. He doesn't ask why or what makes me say that. Just a constant 'no'. 'No it isn't'. 'No I didnt', etc. Over time this makes me feel that my opinions or feelings are not valued or heard.

He states things rather than shows them. For example, he might state that he is a warm person, but looks disapproving or annoyed whilst saying it. I find it really confusing and I am tired out with it.

He isn't physically violent but if he is angry he will storm out of a room over things that don't make sense, creating a violent atmosphere which really unnerves me. He can't seem to deal with small conflicts well, whereas I am open and able to talk. Sometimes his aggression is imposing and makes me feel nervous, afraid. Not that I think he would hurt me, but that he is angry enough to. I often feel he is a tight spring that holds violence it back. He can be quite snippy and passive aggressive when he feels wronged, which is often these days, and doesn't seem to hear me when I say it is harmful to me. He promises but it just happens again.

He says he shares a view of our future, wants similar things. Wants to live with me eventually, what have you. Except in daily life there is never any discussion, interest or movement towards that. We have a 14 year age gap (he is older) and met when I was 20. He will soon be reaching pension age, and says we might not be able to live together because it would affect his pension (I am self employed). This is true, but I am of the mind that at this point in our lives we could easily muck in together and just share the running of a home. It is like he has a batchelor mentality, but doesn't want to lose me.

Over the past few decades he has often fired me off suddenly and dumped me. Mostly when I was younger and less confident. Usually the result of his growing disengagement and me trying to discuss/fix it. Fuse got blown, off he'd go. He always saw himself as the victim and quite cruelly ejected me from his life. It was often sudden and devastating for me. A few years would pass and we would become chums again, then drift back together. The cycle begins again. The grief I have gone through in the past over this is immense. I often had to find a place to live when it happened as I had been living with him on his tenancy.

I am also a creative, and don't wish to buy a home, but I did want to eventually live together, share the cost, and choose somewhere lovely to live. I can afford to live and work where I like, but he still doesn't seem terribly motivated. Neve mentions making a will, etc. He lives in a horrible area and admits it is stressful but is happy for me to find a new place somewhere nice and 'tag along to visit'.

I do think he loves me very much, in his own way, and he has always been faithful and honest. But it isn't enough. I have altered a lot over the years, am still growing, and learning a great deal about my past choices. He doesn't seem to be on the same 'page', I guess.

I think I want to leave, create finality, and am happy to do so, but it is hard to break past habits...

I apologise for the length, please be gentle. A lot going on this year, lost my mum, lots of changes, etc.
What I want to know is your opinion of those details I have written. What is going on with a person who has these traits? Are we just on different planets now or does some of that qualify as abuse? It often feels like that. I feel really guilty writing this about him, because he is lovely, too. What a mess.

OP posts:
Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 13:43

health issues.

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hellcatspangle · 04/06/2021 13:58

Blimey. It just sounds like you've wasted your whole life in this man, who is nowhere near as invested.

PixelatedLunchbox · 04/06/2021 13:59

Sitting here reading and I am speechless. I've not read anything so sad in a very long time. Get away from this man. Forget about remaining "friends". This man is not your friend in any sense of the word. Dear god this is one of the worst things I've read on Mumsnet. Confused

Spanglemum · 04/06/2021 14:22

What did your parents think when he threw you out for having miscarriage?

Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 14:28

Just a few more things I want to say 'out loud' : just ignore me and let me run with this Blush

Was always deeply uncomfortable with me being at college in my mid 20's. After I was accepted at a fabulous uni across the country he begged me to stay and get a house together/marriage.
Sadly I did this, not because I wanted to marry, but because I thought me going might harm us. I stupidly believed I might screw up out there alone - yes, that was silly of me.
So I remained, he took on a job he hated for a year and we found a house together (to rent). He still did not agree both names should be on tenancy and I went to a local uni. He was never happy with me being there and resented me later for having to take on the shitty job. I actually never asked him to do that or implied he ought to. I thought it was a bad idea to be honest.

Left me 4 months after a rape when I was in early 30's. I dealt with it well, and thankfully got some great help. I was up and down those first months after it and he at one point asked me odd questions about the guy, like what positions were we in (???). He let me after a few months saying it was 'too much for him and hurting him'.

His stubborn disagreeable side came into effect when I noticed my cat was struggling to breathe. I became upset and concerned about it and asked him could he see what I was talking about, asked him to observe the cat, etc. He told me I was over reacting and cat's always did that.
Within hours my cat was in surgery and survived miraculously (he had massive plural effusion).

All this said, the reason I stayed? Somehow convinced we were made for each other, accepted the rough with the smooth.....felt close on a deep level, et, etc. He is a patient, helpful person, very intelligent and I can be myself with him. But hey.

Lately I am realising that whenever he left me and I had to move forward alone, my life always improved. I see a pattern now, it is actually blowing my mind and my body can't contain it, if I consider it my heart races and I feel like im going to fucking die.

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Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 14:32

@Spanglemum

What did your parents think when he threw you out for having miscarriage?
They were disgusted. Encouraged me not to go back. There was no telling me though, back then. They remained there for me, always.

When he went nuts over the fling I had after he'd left me in my 20's he actually stalked me for a few months, and hung around my place watching us. I called the police once when a male friend visited as he stood menacingly in the alley out the back. My parents actually had someone 'have a word with him' and it stopped.

Not quite the soprano's, lol, just sweet folk who were very worried about me at the time. Luckily he did back off and never did anything that sinister again.
All that said, he thought my family adored him, he never seems to think about what others may think regarding what he's done. Teflon man.

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maskface212 · 04/06/2021 14:43

OP he's a nasty, cruel, selfish piece of crap. I see no good in him at all, he just disposes of you like so much trash. He disposed of you when you were recovering and grieving from a miscarriage because you weren't being sociable. He sounds like a thoroughly nasty piece of work and I'm sorry you haven't been able to see this until now.

His behaviour is quite frankly, criminal and I would be very careful about extricating yourself from this man's influence. I won't say relationship, because this isn't a relationship, it's more like a sick game of cat and mouse.

It doesn't surprise me that he's still angry about you daring to date someone else - how DARE you! He sounds thoroughly disordered and I hope you can find the strength and support to leave.

ShouldersBackChestOutChinUp · 04/06/2021 15:10

Urgh. He's a stalker too? Loitering menacingly near your house when you'd met someone else?

What an absolute diamond of a bloke. Christ.

What happened to you before you met him to make you feel like this is the best you could get?

You let him stop you from going to the university you should have gone to.

He's a toe rag.

RuthTopp · 04/06/2021 15:15

This man has sadly been in your past , don't let him be in your future.
You have a new life out there waiting for you.
Btw - Cumbria is a great place to live.

Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 15:19

What happened to you before you met him to make you feel like this is the best you could get?

Nothing. That's the thing. I was confident, outgoing, always told I was attractive, smart, etc. Had good friends, went to festivals, was at college, loyal family, etc. I just thought we had a connection, but slowly my 'other' life was tapered off and I think I trusted too much because I was younger than him.

We have slightly different backgrounds - I grew up with horses, well off but not wealthy, different family behaviours, education stuff. He closed contact with his entire family at 18 because he felt his mother had damaged him. Blames her for not having education. Resents them for wanting him to have babies, work in a factory, etc.

When I met him he was lovely but fairly damaged and intense. Sadly no, I could not see the implications of that at such a young age. I felt it, but thought I was being uptight.

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Fabiofatshaft1 · 04/06/2021 15:24

@Acatchasingitsowntail

You sound bloody lovely.

He sounds like a knob.

Dump.

I’m available.

Charming, witty, often mistaken for Brad Pitt.

Hit me up.

😀

MrsHound · 04/06/2021 15:27

Run. Run now. Do not look back.
Also after 28 years you are keeping the status quo

Defiantly41 · 04/06/2021 15:27

You have written so eloquently about your life, and seem to have plenty of insight into yourself and your relationship. My feeling is you could spend a long time exploring why he is like this (and some of what you wrote brings to mind something the marvellous poster @ohtheroses wrote about blame/shame reaction - I do wish I had saved it) but you have so much life to look forward to - and whatever you discover about 'why' won't change him as he sees no need to change.

I wish you the very best - strength for when it feels too difficult to go your own way, clarity for when he inevitably comes knocking on your door, and joy for your future life, starting (hopefully) very soon

dottiedodah · 04/06/2021 15:29

He doesnt seem overly committed to you really.I think deep down you know that.I will be gentle here . as there are many who will tell you you should have left some time ago ,sometimes not so easy .From a practical viewpoint ,would you have somewhere of your own if you left? Do you have any pension provision at all .I think you need to speak to him and see whether he is still wanting to continue with this RL .He seems to have checked out mentally .Im sorry OP xxx

Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 15:36

Yes, indeed, I have made my own choices and was never forced, no matter how much I felt incapable of ending it.
Im happy to take that responsibility, I have learned a great deal.

Also true that I have spent a lot of time thinking of the 'why's' in the past. Not recently though. It was liberating to finally ask myself about ME.
He certainly hasn't lost sleep over trying to figure me out!
When you do that, when you finally let the scales fall from your eyes and realise how vast and powerful you are it is so shocking. Breaking old, learned habits it a bugger though.

After care home issues my siblings and I inherited a little, and with my savings added I have 50k altogether. My income is variable but plods along and I plan to expand my work in the next few years, possibly take on some extra employed work to supplement. I also want to drive and have money set aside for a vehicle - this will open up more work potential too.
I am scared of screwing up, having been living by someone else's choices for so long. My parents were generous, now they are gone, too. I need to develop some financial courage.
50k is a lot when you have nothing, but terrifyingly small when you are embracing a new and raw future!

Yes, definitely Cumbria, I feel at home there. Difficult to view places at moment with no vehicle and being 100 miles away. Feel stuck between rock and hard place tbh.

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Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 15:45

[quote Fabiofatshaft1]@Acatchasingitsowntail

You sound bloody lovely.

He sounds like a knob.

Dump.

I’m available.

Charming, witty, often mistaken for Brad Pitt.

Hit me up.

😀[/quote]
I have never been propositioned by anyone going by the name of Fabio FatShaft before. Things are definitely looking up! Grin

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Booboobadoo · 04/06/2021 15:45

Have you posted before about your move to Cumbria?

Anyway, you sound absolutely lovely/clever/calm/resourceful. Run like the wind to Cumbria. Have therapy to explore why you stayed in an abusive relationship for 28 years and please don't spend your energy worrying about him.

iknowimcoming · 04/06/2021 15:50

Gosh reading your posts made me feel tearful OP! Please make a new life for yourself away from this man - you will be so much better off in every single way! My practical advice would be to get in touch with some estate agents in Cumbria (as many as you can really) and make a plan to go there for a short break in the next week or two, if convenient, and get them to schedule lots of viewings for when you'll be there, and ask if they can give you lifts to the viewings. If you've a friend you could take along who can drive - even better! Good luck Thanks

dottiedodah · 04/06/2021 15:51

It is a big change you are making OP .However on further reading of your posts ,you will 100 per cent be happier on your own I think .The really hard part is actually making the break . Hopefully you can look back and see how far you have come .Good luck. sending hugs to you xxx

Spanglemum · 04/06/2021 16:02

Your family were right to be disgusted but that's in the past now. Stop dwelling on why he's like he is and start planning for the future, things like booking a place to stay, booking train or coach tickets. Do you have any friends or siblings who could help you move?

petitepeach · 04/06/2021 16:03

Please find someone else and put some joy in you life; life is short you have wasted a lot of years on a selfish man. He will let you move in when he is old and infirm and you can be is nursemaid......just cut him off and start living!

Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 16:04

Thanks so much for the well wishes

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Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 16:06

paralysed.

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user1471538283 · 04/06/2021 16:07

So it has always been about him. You survived really traumatic things and he is the upset?

I know it is daunting moving on but you can do it. The alternative is staying in this limbo until you become a carer to a bitter, nasty old man. Your parents have left you enough money to start again. You are strong.

AuntieDolly · 04/06/2021 16:09

This man has nothing to offer you. To be honest, I don't think he even likes you very much. Please leave him - you could do that now, stay at your cousins, learn to drive & be ready to move at the end of the Summer.