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This isn't good is it? I'm kind of scared.

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Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 01:09

Together on and off 28 years. Not married, no children. For reasons that would be outing I don't want to get into details about why we didnt marry or move in together, but we never felt the need to when young, and his financial/work situation made this difficult.

What I want to know is what you may think of these details I am going to write.

Some info:
He often misinterprets my words and questions - if I ask if he might want to talk/chat (when he might be busy reading etc) I am accused of 'accusing him', of making him out to be a bad person, or he says I am IMPLYING that he is ignoring me. All far off the mark.
I can say something like 'hey, you're quiet!" and he will often over react horribly, telling me I am implying he is 'up to something' or that I have an ulterior motive, such as being disappointed with him (I promise I am not!).
It isn't like paranoia, just a permanent defensiveness. He doesn't shout, but can be really imposing and unpleasant and it really knocks me off kilter.

For a long time now, he doesn't seem to want to converse with me, particularly about anything deep (feelings, politics, art, music, the world, stuff). Only really seems to talk to me about surface, trivial stuff. Never used to be this bad. It has become much worse in last 8 months. If I bring it up, in a non confrontational way, he is really pissed off with me and says I am criticising him (when I am emphatically not) or 'making him feel crazy'.

There's a lot of denial. About so much irrelevant stuff.
We have discussed this over time and he always says he will give it some thought, try to cut it out. I have been open, inviting him to explore it, I don't harass him, or make him feel bad. These are reactions to such odd things like taking rubbish out to bin, or about the shopping list, etc. If it involves anything deep or emotional the reaction is worse and more unpleasant/stressed.
It is as if the defensiveness has eclipsed him, as if he is always under attack or having to protect himself. It makes regular conversations really hard going sometimes.

If I say, 'hey that wasn't nice', or 'that kind of confuses/hurts me', or 'why did you do that?' he will state, emphatically, no. He doesn't ask why or what makes me say that. Just a constant 'no'. 'No it isn't'. 'No I didnt', etc. Over time this makes me feel that my opinions or feelings are not valued or heard.

He states things rather than shows them. For example, he might state that he is a warm person, but looks disapproving or annoyed whilst saying it. I find it really confusing and I am tired out with it.

He isn't physically violent but if he is angry he will storm out of a room over things that don't make sense, creating a violent atmosphere which really unnerves me. He can't seem to deal with small conflicts well, whereas I am open and able to talk. Sometimes his aggression is imposing and makes me feel nervous, afraid. Not that I think he would hurt me, but that he is angry enough to. I often feel he is a tight spring that holds violence it back. He can be quite snippy and passive aggressive when he feels wronged, which is often these days, and doesn't seem to hear me when I say it is harmful to me. He promises but it just happens again.

He says he shares a view of our future, wants similar things. Wants to live with me eventually, what have you. Except in daily life there is never any discussion, interest or movement towards that. We have a 14 year age gap (he is older) and met when I was 20. He will soon be reaching pension age, and says we might not be able to live together because it would affect his pension (I am self employed). This is true, but I am of the mind that at this point in our lives we could easily muck in together and just share the running of a home. It is like he has a batchelor mentality, but doesn't want to lose me.

Over the past few decades he has often fired me off suddenly and dumped me. Mostly when I was younger and less confident. Usually the result of his growing disengagement and me trying to discuss/fix it. Fuse got blown, off he'd go. He always saw himself as the victim and quite cruelly ejected me from his life. It was often sudden and devastating for me. A few years would pass and we would become chums again, then drift back together. The cycle begins again. The grief I have gone through in the past over this is immense. I often had to find a place to live when it happened as I had been living with him on his tenancy.

I am also a creative, and don't wish to buy a home, but I did want to eventually live together, share the cost, and choose somewhere lovely to live. I can afford to live and work where I like, but he still doesn't seem terribly motivated. Neve mentions making a will, etc. He lives in a horrible area and admits it is stressful but is happy for me to find a new place somewhere nice and 'tag along to visit'.

I do think he loves me very much, in his own way, and he has always been faithful and honest. But it isn't enough. I have altered a lot over the years, am still growing, and learning a great deal about my past choices. He doesn't seem to be on the same 'page', I guess.

I think I want to leave, create finality, and am happy to do so, but it is hard to break past habits...

I apologise for the length, please be gentle. A lot going on this year, lost my mum, lots of changes, etc.
What I want to know is your opinion of those details I have written. What is going on with a person who has these traits? Are we just on different planets now or does some of that qualify as abuse? It often feels like that. I feel really guilty writing this about him, because he is lovely, too. What a mess.

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Acatchasingitsowntail · 06/06/2021 18:37

@Giantrooster

I think what many of us posters are trying to say, he is much more dangerous to you than you imagine. It's very chilling what he has done to another human being.
Im hearing you. And thank you, you've no idea how much this has helped.
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Giantrooster · 06/06/2021 18:52

I'll stop going on and on Smile, but I really can't stipulate enough that you must cut all contact at all times. I wish you all the strenght and clarity you need.

BobbinThreadbare123 · 06/06/2021 18:56

I've been following this thread but I don't have any remote qualification to give advice, except to say I really hope you do get away from this guy, OP. I live in Cumbria and it is lovely here. The views are truly soothing and there's lots of healing fresh air. Cheesy but true!

Calmdown14 · 06/06/2021 19:01

Have you considered west Cumbria? Might be a good intermediate step. Not so affected by the current UK holiday madness.
It really does sound like you need to put distance between you properly or he is always going to be there.
He will be supportive until the point it starts to negatively impact him. Then he'll do everything to get you back

Seesawmummadaw · 06/06/2021 19:02

‘He closed contact with his entire family at 18 because he felt his mother had damaged him. Blames her for not having education’

He has a history of blaming women for his own limitations and his perceived bad luck.

He is not and never has been your saviour, you are romanticising him. You are artistic, this is what we do.

Seek help @Acatchasingitsowntail He has shaped you from a young age and you need to learn who you are without him.

Acatchasingitsowntail · 06/06/2021 19:15

@Seesawmummadaw

‘He closed contact with his entire family at 18 because he felt his mother had damaged him. Blames her for not having education’

He has a history of blaming women for his own limitations and his perceived bad luck.

He is not and never has been your saviour, you are romanticising him. You are artistic, this is what we do.

Seek help @Acatchasingitsowntail He has shaped you from a young age and you need to learn who you are without him.

God no, I don't literally mean my 'saviour' I meant in his head Grin

That said, I must have been bloody naive.

I have noticed recently that he never reflects or looks at himself. Just the anger and pain he has suffered, and has never moved on from. I think he sits in. a haze of all the wrongs others have done him and doesn't evolve forward.

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Acatchasingitsowntail · 06/06/2021 19:18

@BobbinThreadbare123

I've been following this thread but I don't have any remote qualification to give advice, except to say I really hope you do get away from this guy, OP. I live in Cumbria and it is lovely here. The views are truly soothing and there's lots of healing fresh air. Cheesy but true!
Thanks!

I lived in a couple of the hotspots over the past few years, and would definitely like somewhere slightly away from the main tourist crush.
Im fond of the south, but no real knowledge of the west, apart from st bees.
Up until recently I was planning to only go where there was a train station to 'his' town. But not now. In fact I think making it much, much harder for him to visit me would be actually ideal. Once I can drive it wont make difference to me - and my remaining family and friends are miles away anyhow.

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Acatchasingitsowntail · 06/06/2021 22:16

Ha! Weird. He hasn't spoken one word today, just busying himself with his stuff, a few noises of acknowledgement, etc. Not being hostile, just utterly uncommunicative.
At one time I would have thought this normal, but it isn't, s it?
All has been fine, no issues, so a doubt a regular relationship would function this way.

interesting to observe now.
at one time I would be seeking to communicate, asking things. Perhaps the fact im not doing that is bothering him?

I do want to keep it calm though so will act if I have to.

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mrscoxaools · 06/06/2021 23:34

It does sound like it's time to go op

Don't look back, you have so much to look forward to.
When my parents died it was the catalyst to changing my life.
I left my long term horrible partner (who sounds similar to yours!), bought my own home and began a new wonderful chapter to my life.
I wish you well, you sound on the edge of something great.

tankcrossing · 06/06/2021 23:46

Op, could you rent a small, cheapish property for 6 months in the area you think you might like to live, this way you can take your time before you panic buy something you may later regret.

This is what we did when we moved, lucky we did as we were not happy in our first choice of area.

Acatchasingitsowntail · 07/06/2021 00:47

Yes, I am commuted to moving as soon as possible.
I have just re-read this thread, have no words right now but thank god for all of you

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Acatchasingitsowntail · 07/06/2021 00:47

commited.

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Acatchasingitsowntail · 07/06/2021 00:54

OK, Stupidly embarrassed about this, but just for the record, and for me being able to look back on it, here is a photo of my hands.
This is what I have done to my fingers in the last few months living with him.
I have to add for the sake of dignity, that the rest of me is in good condition Grin, I am healthy, fit and have good hair and skin. If I hide my hands you'd never know Sad

This isn't good is it? I'm kind of scared.
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Newestname001 · 07/06/2021 01:35

I think you are brave to show your nails, @Acatchasingitsowntail. How strong you are becoming.

If possible, I suggest you see a GP about the health of your nails which, I think, are showing the stress you have been under for so very long.

Get them to take a look in case you need any medication or any recommended nutritional or vitamin supplementation. Stay away from any nail salons and fake nails for now though (I'm not sure that would even be of interest to you anyway?) until the health of your nails and cuticles is re-established. One step at a time, OP. 🌹

Acatchasingitsowntail · 07/06/2021 01:42

@Newestname001

I think you are brave to show your nails, *@Acatchasingitsowntail*. How strong you are becoming.

If possible, I suggest you see a GP about the health of your nails which, I think, are showing the stress you have been under for so very long.

Get them to take a look in case you need any medication or any recommended nutritional or vitamin supplementation. Stay away from any nail salons and fake nails for now though (I'm not sure that would even be of interest to you anyway?) until the health of your nails and cuticles is re-established. One step at a time, OP. 🌹

Thanks. I am treating them well, salt, antiseptic cream, etc. Am amazed how much I have messed them up. This is not like me.

He looks at them and smiles, says I have to stop treating myself so bad, the fucking voice is starting to remind me of that sickly sweet fakeness of Donald trump! (and he loathes DT).

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Acatchasingitsowntail · 07/06/2021 01:47

Something odd is going on, he has sat alone all night watching his usual animal related hobby vids on YouTube. Usually devotes around 8 hours of our free time every day (for the mast 5 years) doing this.

Since 5pm today this is what he has done, he didnt eat any dinner, just said 'im ok' when I asked. He is bothered about something. has barely spoken to me. When I make small talk he is fairly cold and unresponsive.
fuck this is so obvious now I can't believe my previous stamina for this shit.

I have spent the past half decade living in the shadow of animal videos on YouTube. he is fixated and lost to it. Has no interest in anything outside of it apart from his work. It is so peculiar and not for me to figure out any longer!

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Acatchasingitsowntail · 07/06/2021 02:13

I want to say that I am sorry for drip feeding to this extent. Please understand that I have never spoken out abut this for decades and it is very helpful for me to put things down in writing, as a stranger on the internet.

Thoughts come to me, and I want to put them down for posterity, I guess. For my own reference. Thank you so much for bearing with me x

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DownTownAbbey · 07/06/2021 06:26

Personally I found it really helped to 'process' how awful my relationship actually was by realising that it wasn't a unique, complex tangled emotional mess. It actually followed well worn and depressingly common scripts. Without knowing you, and just going on what you've posted, I picked out these easily identifiable little gems: 1) older man homes in on young woman whom he can train up, 2) love bombing, 3) stonewalling 4) alienating you from friends and family (in the beginning at least), 5) narc traits.

If you can stop seeing him as a tortured genius and realise that his behaviour is just that of a common, unexceptional abuser who has been training you like a puppy since an early age to bend to his will it will be easier to do what you know in your heart of hearts needs to be done. No contact ever again. Good luck!

ShouldersBackChestOutChinUp · 07/06/2021 07:57

He's barely spoken to you. Prick.

How come he gets to treat like this? Like you don't matter. You don't deserve conversation.

Just disappear. Don't tell him where you're going to live.

He sounds vile. Petulant and obnoxious.

iknowimcoming · 07/06/2021 09:19

Go home today, and don't look back, don't see him again, when you say goodbye at the door do it in a light hearted 'see you later' sort of way but with the knowledge that you won't. Do you have belongings there that you need to take away if so get someone to help you with that ASAP preferably when he's not around.

Aspiringmatriarch · 07/06/2021 09:48

Your poor nails. Chronic stress does terrible things to you. You will feel so different when you leave. Seriously, do it today! Don't waste another day of your life.

Acatchasingitsowntail · 07/06/2021 10:01

I can't leave today. I am officially staying with my cousin but am between addresses - cousin is taking my mail , etc, but has no spare room. I'm actually stuck here and wish so much it wasn't a covid summer with sky high prices in holiday lets.
I only came back here in the first place to help deal with my mother's affairs after she passed. Was meant to be back in my own place by Feb but....lockdown happened.

Yeh, he barely spoke at all last night, I wish I could describe the atmosphere. He behaved just fine, but really, really withdrawn and odd. Didnt ask me one question, was definitely waiting for me to talk. His way of drawing me out, I think.

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MintyCedric · 07/06/2021 10:35

I am scared of screwing up, having been living by someone else's choices for so long

It is a scary move to make, but you can do this.

FWIW I let my mum have far too much input into my decision making in my late teens and early twenties, met my XH just before I turned 21 and was with him until I was 40.

In many ways he was similar to your 'partner' - prone to sulking, long silences (his record was six weeks, we had a 1yo at the time), aggressive behaviour although never actually physically violent to me directly, never took responsibility for his behaviour or any disagreements between us.

It's now nearly 5 years since I left him. I have moved twice, bought my own home, changed job, raised my daughter and dealt with the long term illness and ultimately death of my beloved dad.

And I'm still standing...it's not always been easy, but it was the right decision and I can honestly say that however hard things have gotten I have never regretted my choice.

It's so clear from your posts that you are a lovely, strong, intelligent, articulate woman with so much potential. Break free and live the life you were meant to...you deserve it Flowers.

Inaseagull · 07/06/2021 10:43

Have a look on spareroom.co.uk, here is one example of what's on offer - spareroom. You could get a shared place for some company until you find your feet. Good luck.

Yellowtulips33 · 07/06/2021 12:30

@Acatchasingitsowntail

Is there any possibility that he has read this thread? Your last post unfortunately makes me think he might have.