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This isn't good is it? I'm kind of scared.

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Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 01:09

Together on and off 28 years. Not married, no children. For reasons that would be outing I don't want to get into details about why we didnt marry or move in together, but we never felt the need to when young, and his financial/work situation made this difficult.

What I want to know is what you may think of these details I am going to write.

Some info:
He often misinterprets my words and questions - if I ask if he might want to talk/chat (when he might be busy reading etc) I am accused of 'accusing him', of making him out to be a bad person, or he says I am IMPLYING that he is ignoring me. All far off the mark.
I can say something like 'hey, you're quiet!" and he will often over react horribly, telling me I am implying he is 'up to something' or that I have an ulterior motive, such as being disappointed with him (I promise I am not!).
It isn't like paranoia, just a permanent defensiveness. He doesn't shout, but can be really imposing and unpleasant and it really knocks me off kilter.

For a long time now, he doesn't seem to want to converse with me, particularly about anything deep (feelings, politics, art, music, the world, stuff). Only really seems to talk to me about surface, trivial stuff. Never used to be this bad. It has become much worse in last 8 months. If I bring it up, in a non confrontational way, he is really pissed off with me and says I am criticising him (when I am emphatically not) or 'making him feel crazy'.

There's a lot of denial. About so much irrelevant stuff.
We have discussed this over time and he always says he will give it some thought, try to cut it out. I have been open, inviting him to explore it, I don't harass him, or make him feel bad. These are reactions to such odd things like taking rubbish out to bin, or about the shopping list, etc. If it involves anything deep or emotional the reaction is worse and more unpleasant/stressed.
It is as if the defensiveness has eclipsed him, as if he is always under attack or having to protect himself. It makes regular conversations really hard going sometimes.

If I say, 'hey that wasn't nice', or 'that kind of confuses/hurts me', or 'why did you do that?' he will state, emphatically, no. He doesn't ask why or what makes me say that. Just a constant 'no'. 'No it isn't'. 'No I didnt', etc. Over time this makes me feel that my opinions or feelings are not valued or heard.

He states things rather than shows them. For example, he might state that he is a warm person, but looks disapproving or annoyed whilst saying it. I find it really confusing and I am tired out with it.

He isn't physically violent but if he is angry he will storm out of a room over things that don't make sense, creating a violent atmosphere which really unnerves me. He can't seem to deal with small conflicts well, whereas I am open and able to talk. Sometimes his aggression is imposing and makes me feel nervous, afraid. Not that I think he would hurt me, but that he is angry enough to. I often feel he is a tight spring that holds violence it back. He can be quite snippy and passive aggressive when he feels wronged, which is often these days, and doesn't seem to hear me when I say it is harmful to me. He promises but it just happens again.

He says he shares a view of our future, wants similar things. Wants to live with me eventually, what have you. Except in daily life there is never any discussion, interest or movement towards that. We have a 14 year age gap (he is older) and met when I was 20. He will soon be reaching pension age, and says we might not be able to live together because it would affect his pension (I am self employed). This is true, but I am of the mind that at this point in our lives we could easily muck in together and just share the running of a home. It is like he has a batchelor mentality, but doesn't want to lose me.

Over the past few decades he has often fired me off suddenly and dumped me. Mostly when I was younger and less confident. Usually the result of his growing disengagement and me trying to discuss/fix it. Fuse got blown, off he'd go. He always saw himself as the victim and quite cruelly ejected me from his life. It was often sudden and devastating for me. A few years would pass and we would become chums again, then drift back together. The cycle begins again. The grief I have gone through in the past over this is immense. I often had to find a place to live when it happened as I had been living with him on his tenancy.

I am also a creative, and don't wish to buy a home, but I did want to eventually live together, share the cost, and choose somewhere lovely to live. I can afford to live and work where I like, but he still doesn't seem terribly motivated. Neve mentions making a will, etc. He lives in a horrible area and admits it is stressful but is happy for me to find a new place somewhere nice and 'tag along to visit'.

I do think he loves me very much, in his own way, and he has always been faithful and honest. But it isn't enough. I have altered a lot over the years, am still growing, and learning a great deal about my past choices. He doesn't seem to be on the same 'page', I guess.

I think I want to leave, create finality, and am happy to do so, but it is hard to break past habits...

I apologise for the length, please be gentle. A lot going on this year, lost my mum, lots of changes, etc.
What I want to know is your opinion of those details I have written. What is going on with a person who has these traits? Are we just on different planets now or does some of that qualify as abuse? It often feels like that. I feel really guilty writing this about him, because he is lovely, too. What a mess.

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me4real · 04/06/2021 03:05

He doesn't sound relaxing and pleasant to be around, and doesn't treat you how you deserve. Please do leave. Please keep us updated.

Unfortunately I never learned to drive so was ready to learn before covid

Could you look into it now, if you like? Lessons are running.

OhSayWhat · 04/06/2021 03:13

@Xoxoxoxoxoxox

It sounds as though you are trying to find a depth in him that isn’t there.
This
Suzi888 · 04/06/2021 03:16

Comes across like a father- daughter relationship almost. I agree he probably does love you, kind of. But this isn’t a healthy relationship at all. Perhaps he doesn’t want you to end up as his carer. He’s set in his ways, he’s not going to change.

The only reason I can think of that your employment will affect his finances is if you get sick and can’t work so he has to support you or because he intends to claim benefits. You are a mixed age couple so that would affect his income and what he can claim. He’s told you he doesn’t want to live with you, but wants you around when it suits him.

I feel like you’ve wasted a lot of time with this man and you sound like you’ve found the courage to break free.

Aquamarine1029 · 04/06/2021 03:27

He deeply resented me meeting someone else, although I was pretty cool about stuff. This was over 20 yrs ago now though. To be honest, he still holds a grudge about a guy I meant and dated for a few weeks back then. It often pops out, still, in such a vicious anger.

Do you really not appreciate how unhinged and abusive this is? Why on earth have you tolerated this?

Taikoo · 04/06/2021 03:42

What a sad waste of your life.
Of course - you'll never leave, ever.
Good luck to you.

Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 03:49

@Aquamarine1029

He deeply resented me meeting someone else, although I was pretty cool about stuff. This was over 20 yrs ago now though. To be honest, he still holds a grudge about a guy I meant and dated for a few weeks back then. It often pops out, still, in such a vicious anger.

Do you really not appreciate how unhinged and abusive this is? Why on earth have you tolerated this?

I do appreciate this. It isn't the only unhinged thing over the years either. Im ashamed of how much I have tolerated, but I am responsible for my own decisions I suppose. I kept going back.

We havent had a proper sexual relationship for many, many years. He developed issues as a result of some medication and it just slowly dwindled out. He has always made me feel desired, though.
The last time we had any 'activity' was when I spent a ton on some 'toys' a few months ago. Unfortunately that went south as he went into a terribly mood about the guy from 20 yrs ago! That was so utterly unexpected and bizarre. What stands out to me is he never apologises when shit like this happens - and later acts as if he has been hurt by me.

To be honest there has been so much that is wrong I am ashamed of myself for not getting out long ago. I don't regret the time wasted, as ive had a good life in many ways, just not romantically.

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Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 03:52

@Taikoo

What a sad waste of your life. Of course - you'll never leave, ever. Good luck to you.
I don't see my life as wasted, but I do agree with the sentiment. If I was viewing this from the outside I would say the same as you.

So much has changed within me, though. I can't back peddle now. It has been a slow but deliberate process of waking up.

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thinkingaboutLangCleg · 04/06/2021 04:51

I think you are seeing what a dead-end this relationship is, Acat. It’s also draining you emotionally. Another decade, and you won’t have the energy to make the break. I hope you go now and find somewhere lovely to live and enjoy life. Good luck with your move.

Estasala · 04/06/2021 04:57

You are not suited to each other. Neither of you is wrong, but neither of you is going to change much at this stage either.

He is not going to become the partner that you want him to be. He understands from the things you say that he disappoints you and he resents that.

He will never move in with you.

I think you would both be happier if you made a break once and for all. You've given it a good shot, but this is as good as it's going to get for the two of you.

There is still a lot of living for you both to do. Set yourselves free from each other, and you can each explore people and experiences that resonate with you and fulfil you more deeply. Good luck.

MoppaSprings · 04/06/2021 05:19

I think if he’s happy with the status quo and you are not, then it’s time to move on, otherwise you are effectively putting your life on hold.

Grimsknee · 04/06/2021 05:42

"but as i read your OP, i felt a bit sorry for him"
Lol, spot the male.

OP, think about your life in 10 years or 20 years time. You could well be caring for this older bloke, who's derogatory towards you and with time will only become more grumpy and cantankerous. You're still young. Haven't you got better things to do with your life?

Aspiringmatriarch · 04/06/2021 06:03

OP you sound like such a good person. I think you are someone who doesn't judge but just accepts others, which is a lovely thing, but sadly in this case it's holding you back tremendously. I so hope for you that you can take the steps you need to start an amazing new chapter in your life. I won't go into why your relationship with this man isn't good for you as I think you already know and there will be plenty of posters who are better than me at explaining those dynamics.
Be brave!

Newestname001 · 04/06/2021 06:37

@Acatchasingitsowntail

I hope to remain friends with him. I just think I have evolved out of it.

I think, given what you have said about evolving out of your current relationship with him, and the vicious way he can reacts, still, over a separate relationship with someone else 20 years ago when you were both free agents, I do not think you should try and maintain a friendship with him.

What is to be gained by keeping the door open to you potentially going back to the old, sad, habit of being with someone of whom you say:

I often feel he is a tight spring that holds violence it back.

Please do not consider him as an option in your future life. If friendship would have worked why could it not happen in the 28 years of this on/off "relationship" between you?

I think you stand to have more chance of healing emotionally and forging a more positive future by completely cutting the cord which has bound you to him.

Please, reread your own posts objectively and see how much negative energy there is in your past with him. Why would you carry that with you into the future?

Whatever you decide, OP, I wish you a better future. Please find the strength to break the pattern and restart your life. Good luck. 🌹

Guavafish · 04/06/2021 07:04

I do agree with others, it’s a sad situation.

I hope you manage to get out of this unhealthy situation - old habits are difficult to break and I hope you can do it.

Start thinking about a future without him. If he wanted to live with you by now he would have done so already. Sounds like the pension problem is another excuse.

Learn to drive (I learnt late on) and move to Cumbria. Enjoy your life and stop wasting it on second guessing this mans words as his actions are very clear.

RuthTopp · 04/06/2021 07:14

So from your first post I've worked out he's now aged 62 ish ?
If he hasn't changed yet - He isn't about to now .
You still have time to change yours .

Calmdown14 · 04/06/2021 07:49

OP it sounds like you have a very clear view of the situation but that the clarity has rather suddenly emerged and you are looking for reassurance you are right. You definitely are!
I wouldn't see it as a life wasted. At the time it was enough for you. You have changed. Now it isn't.
He's not good enough to you. It doesn't necessarily make him a bad person but as you put it so well, he only has his type of love on offer and that isn't enough, not because you want a romantic relationship but because being with him is clipping your wings and not permitting you the ability to explore your own aspirations.
I think a move sounds an excellent idea. I suspect you will remain friends on some level and you both have each other as a habit. You need to break that.
Incidentally if you are an artist and like Cumbria, have you ever considered the other side of the border? Dumfries and Galloway is beautiful and Kirkcudbright is styled as the artist's town.

CasaBonita · 04/06/2021 08:07

So you're around 48? Pretty much in the prime of life (which incidentally is over in the blink of an eye)

You really don't need to overthink this too much. Just leave if you want a shot at happiness.

CassandraTrotter · 04/06/2021 08:11

Don't waste another minute on him. He sounds awful.

ShouldersBackChestOutChinUp · 04/06/2021 08:42

He sounds like such hard work.

You're constantly having to think twice before you say anything.

Is this really how you want to live? Really?

Because it sounds horrendous.

Plus he's binned you a few times. Lovely.

You might have spent 28 years with this man but you have many more years ahead of you, hopefully, to find real happiness with someone who doesn't treat you so very badly.

He has no respect for you and what you want. He's keeping you dangling with the moving on together spiel.

Please cut him loose. Permanently.

ShouldersBackChestOutChinUp · 04/06/2021 08:46

And I wouldn't bother staying friends either. He'll be livid when you find someone else and will only try and get you back. And the whole cycle will begin again.

Cumbria sounds like a great idea. Be free. Find people who cherish your company and conversation.

Changechangychange · 04/06/2021 09:02

It sounds like he doesn’t actually want a relationship or any kind of commitment, but did want somebody around to have sex with. He didn’t want you to have sex with anyone else, but wanted you to stay available, even once dumped, for when he clicked his fingers and called you back. He is now resentful that he can’t have sex with you, and isn’t really sure what the point of you is any more, but you keep hanging around and bothering him.

This is a horrible relationship. He is using you. All of the “confusing” behaviour makes perfect sense when you look at it from the point of view of somebody who has an unwelcome thick-skinned guest hanging about. Which is really awful after 28 years - he should have the decency to break up with you. Except he won’t, because he thinks he might want you for something again in the future.

If you suggested moving to Cumbria, but promised to stay single and drop everything for him as soon as he said the word, he would take you up on it.

Bluedeblue · 04/06/2021 10:27

I was reading this and thinking "Crikey, he must be a demon in bed", and then I read that he doesn't even have sex with you.

You're 48, and he's 62. How do you want to spend your 50's?

You could spend it travelling, having a loving relationship with someone new, where there's plenty of sex and fun. Or, you could keep plodding along with this boring bloke, who after 28 years is still holding you at arms length.

There's nothing to be scared of. A new exciting life awaits you, if you just go for it.

Bluedeblue · 04/06/2021 10:29

I love this quote, and I think it's appropriate in your circumstances :

"The Ship is safe in the Harbour, but that's not what Ships are for"

wewereliars · 04/06/2021 13:06

You've got years left OP , don't throw them away. You have only one life.

Acatchasingitsowntail · 04/06/2021 13:40

Ok, first, I want to thank each and every one of you for adding your thoughts. I understand that you don't have the full picture, or his side of the story, but at this point I can only deal with my own slice of reality, and it's bad, quite bad.

Putting this here is like having placed a magnifying mirror in front of myself. It is difficult to read some of the responses, and that might be because those responses are horribly exact. Ive never spoken about this before, although I do confide in two close friends (they currently live quite far away and I don't wish to overburden them for all sorts of reasons). Whilst they know him and we are all close, they do think this situation is harming me now.

It is definitely over, but acceptance comes in layer, almost. From reading some of these comments I have realised that I have punished myself for his cruelties in the past, I have someone who reflects back to me that I am a pest, a boat-rocker because I had the audacity to discuss our future security after my parents died.

Writing it here is cathartic, and helpful, I can take a few shitty comments.

I had a miscarriage when I was in early 20's - that night after I was sent home from hospital (had lots of blood loss) he had some friends over and told me I was rude not to join in and act normal. When I said I needed to lie on the bed and rest he told me he'd had enough my attitude and wanted me to move out. I spent that night on the phone to a therapist at my parent's house and couldnt stop shaking (parents were both stunned and horrified). He'd gone out later and wasnt contactable for three day, said he needed time alone.
Basically my dad helped me through that, not my partner, the memory of this is something I have never been able to get past.

I have been suddenly ejected from his life like this, after various traumas or just by complete surprise over 20 times in out life together. He dumped me on my 21st birthday on an evening out with friends because a guy groped me at the bar. I told him and he said I was putting him in a situation that would make him get into a fight. I must stress I did not want that, I merely told him this was why I looked 'uncomfortable'.
Within 2 days my bags were packed and I was thrown out.

He went into a giant three day sulk with me over absolutely nothing the night after my mother died last year. Most of these things are quite sick and inexcusable, and believe me I have blamed myself in the past, wondered if I am a dreadful person to bring this out. But I can't find reasons for this in my behaviour. I am no saint but I don't shout, attack or push. I don't swear at him or play games.

I inherited a bit of money after care home fees, and all have some decent savings. He has nothing, he stopped non-voluntary work many years ago due to some mild heat issues and has no proper income. I must stress here that he does not want or rely on my money - quite the opposite, ive tried generosity (replace fridge, take us on hols, etc) and he doesn't want it.

However, even if I have been long done with he relationship, it is difficult to move forward. Old fears come up, like a sense of something terrible will happen if I leave him, like yes he has possibly become an unconscious father figure in the past and left lasting damage - it is true that in the past he would not really let me go or move on, whilst seeming o mild and well tempered not he surface, he did follow me and scare the shit out of me back then.

God so much coming out, please forgive me rambling, this is helpful for me to do and quite shocking also.

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