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Help. Confronting DH.

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Questions99 · 15/03/2021 19:43

I can’t get into lots of detail for safety but I am preparing for a confrontation with DH and I’m terrified. We have 2 school age DD.
He’s emotionally abusing me and it’s only in the last few months, with some counselling sessions I took alone, input of two trusted friends who don’t even know each other but have said the same that I’m wondering if he’s gaslighting. I had to look it up.
The primary issue is money. We have been married 20 years, own a home together a couple of flats which gives him a small income. I’ve worked full time most our marriage in a good job and been the ‘breadwinner’.
He’s addicted to collectibles and has periodically hidden spend from me arguing that we’re not in debt so why do I care?
I’ve spent several months feeling more and more sure he’s lying and has found himself a way to get extra income which he hides from me and leaves me to pay 70%-100% of our bills.
I literally only set up my own savings account last month having only ever had a joint account with him and paid in 100% of my salary for all these years. I know. Stupid. He was raging angry.
He tells me my job isn’t as important as I think it is, that I “need to fail” to stop everyone thinking I can do it all... various things like that.
The collecting has escalated in the past 9 months and I have gone into the various web accounts and noted all his spend for the past year (we share accounts, I’m not outwith my rights to check). I obviously can’t check his bank accounts.
I was having palpitations as I tried to gather all the information over several days without being caught. He’s rarely not at home so this is more difficult than it sounds.
I have also photographed as much of his collection as I can find but he keeps things hidden in drawers, safes, in envelopes and boxes so it is impossible for me to photo everything without him noticing.
He has a loud angry temper (but has never lashed out) and we have argued more in the last year than in 20 years. We both put it down to lockdown and our last argument on 8th March he said we have to just “agree to disagree” until the kids are back to school and we can talk without them hearing us fighting because I was so distressed at what our fighting was doing to the kids.
I’m not a fighter. I’m articulate but passive and people-pleasing and can be quiet/moody when I’m tried or stressed with work but the realisation dawning that he has taken absolute advantage of me is making me ill.
I just want him to pay 50/50 and he refuses saying he can’t afford it whilst another £1000 of collectibles arrive. He comes up with elaborate reasons why he needs to keep his money private (i gave up after 10 years asking him to join his account so we had equal transparency).
When I try and reason with him he flat out lies saying his income was temporarily higher and from April will be back to basic income (the amount I thought he was on all the time).
I am 99% sure he’s cash-funding this addiction as he hates debt (though when we met he had lots of debt.. my first sign I missed..). But of course I can’t be totally sure what he’s doing or how.
Today I analysed our joint account for the past 12 months and discovered Ive paid in 3 times what he has - he has taken OUT a 3rd of my salary paid in.
I’m trying to be subtle but he knows I’m getting all the facts together as he has started deleting all receipts and invoices as soon as they come into our email - and he’s emptying the email bin several times a day too.
The bottom line is he’s lying and has been for a long time. I think he’s also possibly got a spending addiction. According to Google this is ‘financial infidelity’ which I hadn’t heard of before but it’s exactly right.
I feel belittled, disrespected, betrayed, scared and devastated for our children who are amazing in every way and deserve so much better but I just can’t go on with it anymore. I love him but can’t respect him anymore for this. He seems to care about me - I know he adores the kids and can be lazy but is generally a good Dad.
But I have to confront him. Pay day in next week and he will freak out if I don’t pay in 70%
I have to find a way to make him stop spending our money and then lying, stonewalling, yelling... basically leaving me feel I’m somehow in the wrong.
I need help to know how to handle this.
Tomorrow is the first day both kids will be at school and literally the first time we’ve been alone in months. I have waited and bit my tongue but it needs to come out.
I’m keeping up appearances but I need help.
How do I prepare for the conversation?
The argument has always been me asking can he contribute more money - to which he says he contributes more non-financially than me (because he is only out at work a half day a week, I work at home but full time in a demanding job).
I pull my weight and keep the house clean and today and I’m the lead parent in terms of nurturing and spending quality time with the kids.
But today, I found envelopes with large amounts of cash hidden away. Not like savings here and there but pristine notes from a machine. My immediate thought was he has this ready to grab and go if he’s had enough or if I ever told him to leave. He’s never mentioned leaving other than once, four years ago but didn’t go through with it.
But I don’t know.
That’s the whole point - I don’t know what he’s doing but I do know he’s got a lot more money than he makes out and swears til he’s blue in the face that he can’t contribute more than 30% to our bills. I don’t know if I can be married to a prolific liar. It’s crushing my confidence. It’s crushing me.

What do I do to prepare to confront him?
He can be incredibly domineering and won’t talk if he doesn’t want to.
I’m an absolute wreck with anxiety and need some kind of breakthrough.
Has anyone ever faced financial infidelity? How did you deal with it? Is separating inevitable? Do I need to engage a solicitor? The police?
I hope someone can help me Sad

OP posts:
KatherineSiena · 08/04/2021 13:15

I completely agree with the above. You don’t have to march to his tune. I wouldn’t be available to talk just when he wants to.

He might be ready to deign to come home but if that thought is horrific to you take all the time you need.

okeydokeywokeyblokey · 08/04/2021 13:34

Do nice things with your kids that you don't usually do, movie night, board games with treats etc. Tell him you're unwell and postpone that appointment. I'm pretty sure he will railroad you into him moving in again. If you don't want that, don't talk until you're stronger. Good luckFlowers

Mix56 · 08/04/2021 14:36

He walked, keep it that way

Beautiful3 · 08/04/2021 14:59

Do not confront him. Be clever. Set up your own bank account, stop paying into the joint one. Move over 50 percent into your account.Take the envelopes of cash and deposit into your own account. See a solicitor asap about filing for a divorce. He is abusing you, you need to leave.

GeorgiaGirl52 · 08/04/2021 15:01

We are meeting again in a week or so and I have no idea at all whether he is going to say he wants to separate permanently or wants to come home (which is a horrifying thought to me right now).

It does not matter what HE wants. What do YOU want? He has had it all his way. Now YOU get to decide and it is clear you want to be without him. As for your children, they WILL adjust. The happier and more confident you become, the happier they will become.

WisnaeMe · 08/04/2021 15:10

@GeorgiaGirl52

We are meeting again in a week or so and I have no idea at all whether he is going to say he wants to separate permanently or wants to come home (which is a horrifying thought to me right now).

It does not matter what HE wants. What do YOU want? He has had it all his way. Now YOU get to decide and it is clear you want to be without him. As for your children, they WILL adjust. The happier and more confident you become, the happier they will become.

Spot on🌸

LadyLolaRuben · 08/04/2021 16:04

Don't confront him...yet. You've got the evidence, now you need to get your ducks in a row and plan for each eventuality. You can show your hand when you're ready which you're not yet and there'sno rush. I think you need to think about what you want the outcome of this situation to be and to seek legal advice. Then you know where you stand and what you want from all this Flowers

RandomMess · 08/04/2021 16:46

Whatever you do, do not let him remove his "collection" from the house. It's a marital asset.

I agree though what do YOU want?

This man is showing you that it's all about him and what he wants. Which is to do as he pleases and you fund it. Has he cares for the DC at all over the holidays?

Elliania · 08/04/2021 16:56

@LadyLolaRuben

Don't confront him...yet. You've got the evidence, now you need to get your ducks in a row and plan for each eventuality. You can show your hand when you're ready which you're not yet and there'sno rush. I think you need to think about what you want the outcome of this situation to be and to seek legal advice. Then you know where you stand and what you want from all this Flowers
We've gone past this issues - OP's husband has already walked out. Please read the full thread or even just the posts from the OP.

OP -fuck what HE wants. Do what YOU want. Being seperated might be tough on the kids for a while but you'll be a much happier & better parent (not that you're a bad one now of course!) if you're happy & not dealing with an arsehole every single day.

Mix56 · 24/04/2021 10:06

What was the outcome of this meeting?
I am betting he expected you to backtrack.
Did you manage to dump this loser ?

Questions99 · 24/04/2021 10:50

We are separated. We meet weekly to talk about whether reconciliation is possible. He’s being agreeable, contributing financially (ironically more than he has in a year). He’s starting with a counsellor next week and has left his entire collection for me to do with as I please. I’m not doing anything with it right now but will probably put it into storage and then it will get sold and split later, or he may decide he wants to keep the best pieces and that will come off any settlement. He is very keen to work on himself and our relationship but I am dictating the pace. I’m still very hurt and bruised and he has reassured me on some issues but there is an awful lot to sort through. My mindset is that whether we get back together or not, being civil and working through what has happened and what we both really want and need is the best possible example to our DC. It’s really, really hard on my emotions. I go from feeling hopeful to hopeless in moments. I don’t know what will happen but I know I need to work through what has happened to me and I’m keeping him at arms length as best I can (not always managing!) whilst he works on himself to protect me and the kids from disappointment. He is doing all the right things but only time will tell Confused. I’m living in two worlds right now, hoping for the best but preparing for the worst.

OP posts:
Mix56 · 24/04/2021 14:00

Well done on your efforts to keep it harmonious for the DC.
It will be easier to co parent DC if he gets & acts upon advice after therapy.
Keep on keeping him at arms length & give yourself time to heal. In view of taking the final step to freedom
He wouldn't even consider working, or even parenting all this time, until you finally woke up to the EA.
He knew what he was doing,& trying to patch things up now, after all the hurt he deliberately caused you is just lip service.
He wants his comfort assured. It is simple as that

billy1966 · 24/04/2021 17:50

I remember your earlier thread clearly.

You were so reasonable and trusting but were do obviously being financially abused.

You poor woman.

Please give your children the chance of a healthy mother.

I don't believe you know him or ever really knew him.

He is a hugely damaged man that has been living a double life and controlling you to boot.

The children will be fine if you are fine.

One day at a time.

Please never leave him back in the house, he is utterly dishonourable and untrustworthy.

You poor woman.
Protect yourself.
Flowers

RandomMess · 24/04/2021 18:15

Absolutely please protect yourself.

What reason has he given for his abuse towards you?

goody2shooz · 24/04/2021 19:33

After 20 YEARS of financial and emotional abuse, he won’t change. Oh, he might ‘go to therapy’ and play the oh-so-sorry card, but no one behaves like this for so long and then suddenly realises it was wrong. This is him. He’s a cheat, deeply dishonest and manipulative - through and through. He’s just crapping himself because he sees his meal ticket leaving. For your sake, financially, emotionally and for your mental health, SEIZE THIS opportunity to extricate yourself. Please don’t use the excuse of the children to waver.

Questions99 · 24/04/2021 20:18

He clearly has mental health issues which have gone unaddressed (his childhood was full of trauma). Like many men his age I guess he hates the idea of getting help, he’s stubborn and proud. If there is a chance that this whole situation gets him into counselling at long last, then that’s a positive. I’m not stupid though, I know there is an extremely high chance it’s a temporary gesture. He could also lie or delude himself in therapy - I would never know. All I can do is slow it all right down and watch and see if there is change. I’ve told him to do it for him, not primarily to stay married but most definitely for the DCs sake.
In our discussions a number of explanations for the financial abuse have been given and make some kind of sense (I’m not excusing them and will never, ever allow him to control my finances again, separated or not!) but the EA hasn’t been addressed yet, not at all. He has said “sorry” but not specifically for what, and he needs to be confronted with all of it. His response to specifics of EA will tell me everything I need to know about whether there is a future or not.
I’ve told him I am literally going to write it all down in a list for him to process and respond to.
It’s likely I’ll never get the true apology I need from him (unless he finds a self-awareness he’s not had before) which is why I’m keeping a healthy distance for the foreseeable. I am prepared to wait and see what he does with counselling. I’m in no hurry. WA and the solicitor said I hold all the cards and now I’m starting to believe them.

OP posts:
RandomMess · 24/04/2021 20:21

If he changes he isn't going to be the same person anymore and you may not like the new him anymore than the abusive him.

Several years of living apart and dating whilst you decide would be no bad thing Wink

Thelnebriati · 24/04/2021 20:28

Every so often there's a thread that really makes me feel nervous for a woman's safety and yours was one of them. Its such a relief to hear you're safe. Best wishes for the future Flowers

billy1966 · 24/04/2021 20:33

OP,

Respectfully, I am concerned for you.

You don't him at all.
You never knew him.

Please do not allow him back in your home, ever.

He will never ever be the man you want.

Protect your children by protecting their mother.

Flowers
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