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Help. Confronting DH.

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Questions99 · 15/03/2021 19:43

I can’t get into lots of detail for safety but I am preparing for a confrontation with DH and I’m terrified. We have 2 school age DD.
He’s emotionally abusing me and it’s only in the last few months, with some counselling sessions I took alone, input of two trusted friends who don’t even know each other but have said the same that I’m wondering if he’s gaslighting. I had to look it up.
The primary issue is money. We have been married 20 years, own a home together a couple of flats which gives him a small income. I’ve worked full time most our marriage in a good job and been the ‘breadwinner’.
He’s addicted to collectibles and has periodically hidden spend from me arguing that we’re not in debt so why do I care?
I’ve spent several months feeling more and more sure he’s lying and has found himself a way to get extra income which he hides from me and leaves me to pay 70%-100% of our bills.
I literally only set up my own savings account last month having only ever had a joint account with him and paid in 100% of my salary for all these years. I know. Stupid. He was raging angry.
He tells me my job isn’t as important as I think it is, that I “need to fail” to stop everyone thinking I can do it all... various things like that.
The collecting has escalated in the past 9 months and I have gone into the various web accounts and noted all his spend for the past year (we share accounts, I’m not outwith my rights to check). I obviously can’t check his bank accounts.
I was having palpitations as I tried to gather all the information over several days without being caught. He’s rarely not at home so this is more difficult than it sounds.
I have also photographed as much of his collection as I can find but he keeps things hidden in drawers, safes, in envelopes and boxes so it is impossible for me to photo everything without him noticing.
He has a loud angry temper (but has never lashed out) and we have argued more in the last year than in 20 years. We both put it down to lockdown and our last argument on 8th March he said we have to just “agree to disagree” until the kids are back to school and we can talk without them hearing us fighting because I was so distressed at what our fighting was doing to the kids.
I’m not a fighter. I’m articulate but passive and people-pleasing and can be quiet/moody when I’m tried or stressed with work but the realisation dawning that he has taken absolute advantage of me is making me ill.
I just want him to pay 50/50 and he refuses saying he can’t afford it whilst another £1000 of collectibles arrive. He comes up with elaborate reasons why he needs to keep his money private (i gave up after 10 years asking him to join his account so we had equal transparency).
When I try and reason with him he flat out lies saying his income was temporarily higher and from April will be back to basic income (the amount I thought he was on all the time).
I am 99% sure he’s cash-funding this addiction as he hates debt (though when we met he had lots of debt.. my first sign I missed..). But of course I can’t be totally sure what he’s doing or how.
Today I analysed our joint account for the past 12 months and discovered Ive paid in 3 times what he has - he has taken OUT a 3rd of my salary paid in.
I’m trying to be subtle but he knows I’m getting all the facts together as he has started deleting all receipts and invoices as soon as they come into our email - and he’s emptying the email bin several times a day too.
The bottom line is he’s lying and has been for a long time. I think he’s also possibly got a spending addiction. According to Google this is ‘financial infidelity’ which I hadn’t heard of before but it’s exactly right.
I feel belittled, disrespected, betrayed, scared and devastated for our children who are amazing in every way and deserve so much better but I just can’t go on with it anymore. I love him but can’t respect him anymore for this. He seems to care about me - I know he adores the kids and can be lazy but is generally a good Dad.
But I have to confront him. Pay day in next week and he will freak out if I don’t pay in 70%
I have to find a way to make him stop spending our money and then lying, stonewalling, yelling... basically leaving me feel I’m somehow in the wrong.
I need help to know how to handle this.
Tomorrow is the first day both kids will be at school and literally the first time we’ve been alone in months. I have waited and bit my tongue but it needs to come out.
I’m keeping up appearances but I need help.
How do I prepare for the conversation?
The argument has always been me asking can he contribute more money - to which he says he contributes more non-financially than me (because he is only out at work a half day a week, I work at home but full time in a demanding job).
I pull my weight and keep the house clean and today and I’m the lead parent in terms of nurturing and spending quality time with the kids.
But today, I found envelopes with large amounts of cash hidden away. Not like savings here and there but pristine notes from a machine. My immediate thought was he has this ready to grab and go if he’s had enough or if I ever told him to leave. He’s never mentioned leaving other than once, four years ago but didn’t go through with it.
But I don’t know.
That’s the whole point - I don’t know what he’s doing but I do know he’s got a lot more money than he makes out and swears til he’s blue in the face that he can’t contribute more than 30% to our bills. I don’t know if I can be married to a prolific liar. It’s crushing my confidence. It’s crushing me.

What do I do to prepare to confront him?
He can be incredibly domineering and won’t talk if he doesn’t want to.
I’m an absolute wreck with anxiety and need some kind of breakthrough.
Has anyone ever faced financial infidelity? How did you deal with it? Is separating inevitable? Do I need to engage a solicitor? The police?
I hope someone can help me Sad

OP posts:
Questions99 · 16/03/2021 21:03

I don’t have any family help at all, not even with the DC. But I do have some friends but they live quite far away and with restrictions it is difficult. I’m having to invent reasons to leave the house and make calls etc. I am getting my support in place I guess. I’ve told 3 trusted friends now - one because she’s very local and I know she could watch the kids for me if I needed her too. Things like that is everything swirling in my head.
PP asked if I want to leave him and the answer is no but I think with my head I have little choice. I don’t think he will change or agree to radically change for him that infringes on his nest egg building. Even thinking back before covid we get on ok but it hasn’t been great, not for several years. Many things have contributed to that, not just money it’s just that I think lockdown has brought out the worst of an addictive need for him to spend and be in some kind of control.
I’ve always been prepared to own my own mess and have paid for counselling etc which looking back triggered a different way of seeing my situation and how he treats me.
So no, I don’t want any of this. And when I consider the mess of mortgages and his income and self-employed status I know he could have a lot to lose and so will fight it. He can be very very nasty, cutting and aggressive when he feels under attack. It’s one thing in a row about money but separation process would be long and drawn out. I just don’t know if I can do it. I have a chronic illness, I work full time, I want a life. I just feel trapped - unhappy and abused if I stay in this relationship but disaster up ahead for us all if I move to split.

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Questions99 · 16/03/2021 21:18

This is worrying me more and more. It could be banks being shut he has just not paid in from jobs but whatever his reason/excuse, he has yelled in my face that he can’t afford to pay equal amounts. The lies are almost unbelievable.

Today he has suddenly changed behaviour too which is a bit unnerving. He has been on his phone considerably less, tidied the house a bit, put laundry on, bought some flowers... it’s all feeling a bit eerie. That probably makes no sense and I've been extremely careful with what I’ve been gathering up. I am withdrawn from him though, polite but not chatting, in separate rooms in the house as much as I can be etc.
I know I need to speak to a solicitor ASAP and will see if I can at least get an appointment arranged tomorrow. I’m just very scared and conscious that I’m potentially pulling my kids life apart.
I e considered staying until the littlest is 18 but it’s many years away and I now know in my heart I can’t do that either.
For those saying to leave. I can’t. I have a few hundred quid, two DC and no family. He literally has the means to be the one to leave, whereas I don’t.

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orchidsun · 16/03/2021 21:24

OP you need some therapy by the sounds of things, to help you sort your head out. It sounds like you have stockholm syndrome where you're making excuses for your abuser.

Don't let your kids grow up seeing you married to a man like this and allowing this behaviour. It sets a terrible example and they will be much less happy.

Do you have any member of friends or family you can speak to in confidence who can support you through this? They may be able to put you up for the short term whilst you sort things out.

There are always benefits, universal credit, help with rent etc etc for single mums. You might find you are much better off financially without him on UC.

RandomMess · 16/03/2021 21:26

He is an abuser

This sudden nice behaviour is to reel you back in because he wants you to stay so he can spend your money and you do most of the parenting...

Yazzyup · 16/03/2021 21:27

@Iflyaway

^As a survivor of abuse I beg you to not confront him Get him out or Get you and the kids out and contact a good solicitor^

Please take heed of this excellent advice.

I was abused too. It can be the death of you. No fucking joke.

As they say, get your ducks in a row, keep your head down and find that lawyer.

#this.

Get out get out get out.

Take the kids. Take any property you can't replace -pets, clothes, documents, photos, memory sticks, etc and redirect post and go -he comes home to solicitor and divorce papers.

Yazzyup · 16/03/2021 21:30

And yes you CAN leave. You leave -phone a friend and tell them you are coming. (Don't tell him). Book a van -get friends over and let the police know you need to escape DV and you have booked a van on this date etc -empty ALL your stuff you want. And go. File CMS same day. File divorce the same day. Notify children's school -make a list etc.

I had friend phone me in the middle of the bloody night to come and get her and the kids -I did -she stayed for 6 months -that's what friends do.

Yazzyup · 16/03/2021 21:32

Oh and before you move -Take everyone bloody penny out of any joint account -every bloody penny and tell the bank on all joint credit credits etc -that you are not using them -and get the solicitor to take the bulls by the horns with finaces etc and quickly you need a quick financial seperation

Cavagirl · 16/03/2021 23:42

So no, I don’t want any of this. And when I consider the mess of mortgages and his income and self-employed status I know he could have a lot to lose and so will fight it. He can be very very nasty, cutting and aggressive when he feels under attack. It’s one thing in a row about money but separation process would be long and drawn out. I just don’t know if I can do it. I have a chronic illness, I work full time, I want a life. I just feel trapped - unhappy and abused if I stay in this relationship but disaster up ahead for us all if I move to split

So sorry OP 😞 you don't deserve this, no one does.

What would your 70 year old self say to you now?

What would your 7 year old self say to you?

And what would you say to your DC, if they were in a relationship like yours?

That's your answer, on what the right thing to do is.

PerveenMistry · 17/03/2021 07:26

@Questions99

I don’t have any family help at all, not even with the DC. But I do have some friends but they live quite far away and with restrictions it is difficult. I’m having to invent reasons to leave the house and make calls etc. I am getting my support in place I guess. I’ve told 3 trusted friends now - one because she’s very local and I know she could watch the kids for me if I needed her too. Things like that is everything swirling in my head. PP asked if I want to leave him and the answer is no but I think with my head I have little choice. I don’t think he will change or agree to radically change for him that infringes on his nest egg building. Even thinking back before covid we get on ok but it hasn’t been great, not for several years. Many things have contributed to that, not just money it’s just that I think lockdown has brought out the worst of an addictive need for him to spend and be in some kind of control. I’ve always been prepared to own my own mess and have paid for counselling etc which looking back triggered a different way of seeing my situation and how he treats me. So no, I don’t want any of this. And when I consider the mess of mortgages and his income and self-employed status I know he could have a lot to lose and so will fight it. He can be very very nasty, cutting and aggressive when he feels under attack. It’s one thing in a row about money but separation process would be long and drawn out. I just don’t know if I can do it. I have a chronic illness, I work full time, I want a life. I just feel trapped - unhappy and abused if I stay in this relationship but disaster up ahead for us all if I move to split.

You owe it to your kids to muster the strength. This is horrible role-modeling for them.

Tryinghardfornothing89 · 17/03/2021 09:42

I think it sounds like you need to completely blind side him as by the sounds of it as soon as he knows you are serious, anything of value is going to be hidden, sold and stashed.
You need to come up with an excuse as to why he needs to go out somewhere for a couple of hours, hire a van, load up all "his" collectable items and anything you want to keep, put it in storage under your name and leave divorce papers on the table.
Move all of the essential Bills to your own account and close the joint one.
Above all, take that money. It's yours anyway. I'd be willing to be there is more around the house too. That's your getaway fund.

Questions99 · 17/03/2021 10:30

I’ve been wondering about that. I keep looking at my littlest and imagining she’s devasted because we split up and how that would affect her. I’ve had to assure her many times that just cos we fight it doesn’t mean we split up. This would seem like I lied to her and that crushes my heart to bits Sad

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AreWeOrAreWeNot · 17/03/2021 10:32

So sorry you are going through this OP. I was financially abused by my now exH. Like yours, he was self-employed but was constantly in debt. Long story short, I bailed him out a couple of times to the tune of £30000 +. When he again got into debt, I refused. He went for half the house and my pension. I bought my house before I met him, and paid all the bills during our 16 year relationship. I settled with him (kept my pension) but ended up losing the house to pay him a six figure sum. It was tough, I won't lie, BUT the sense of relief that I felt to not have to worry about what he was up to was worth every penny. I was 58 at the time so not too far off retirement - up until a year ago (we split over 5 years ago) I was still getting phone calls from debt collectors - it was only when I threatened to tell his current partner that he removed my landline number from whatever he was still up to. To this day, I have no idea what he was spending the money on. I echo what others have said, find a good solicitor and find out what your options are. I wish you the very best of luck.

RandomMess · 17/03/2021 10:32

Would you like your DDs to be relationships where they are frightened and abused? They are already learning that is what a relationship is, that Daddy does what he wants when he wants.

Be brave for them and you.

orchidsun · 17/03/2021 10:33

OP you'd be a fool to stay together with an abuser for the "sake of your child". Your child is going to be much less safe if you stay with this abusive man, modelling poor behaviours that she will copy. Show her the definition of empowerment. Kids are adaptable and she will bounce back. It's much crueller to keep her in an environment where you're too scared to speak up for yourself.

RandomMess · 17/03/2021 10:34

If you stay "for the sake of the children" they won't thank you for it, that is a huge emotional burden on them.

Fabiofatshaft1 · 17/03/2021 10:41

@Questions99

You are frazzled and scared shitless. This horribly negative vibe must surely be transmitting to your children. Your are exhibiting signs of depression, caused by the non stop haranguing from your husband.

He sticks his face into yours and yells he can’t contribute equally to the household bills but has envelopes of cash lying around and perhaps thousands of pounds in collectibles.

He’s using your money, mentally and emotionally torturing you, and by default, probably the kids, too.

If you feel you can’t confront him or negotiate, leave, you can, you really can do it, the kids will love you more, not less.....

PerseverancePays · 17/03/2021 10:46

I am the child of divorce(s). My father was an alcoholic and a bully. There was lots of rows and lots of tiptoeing round , lots of placating behaviours and people pleasing from the children.
I married an alcoholic, didn’t realise it wasn’t normal! I left when the youngest was a toddler. It’s been tough of course it has, life is tough. But my children as adults have thanked me for removing them from their father. Eow was quite enough as it turns out.
A solicitor has seen it all before, what seems impossible to you is everyday stuff to him/her. Remember when you were in labour? One contraction at a time, problems are like that; line them up and deal with them one at a time. At the end you have what you want and need.

NeilBuchananisBanksy · 17/03/2021 10:49

@Questions99

I’ve been wondering about that. I keep looking at my littlest and imagining she’s devasted because we split up and how that would affect her. I’ve had to assure her many times that just cos we fight it doesn’t mean we split up. This would seem like I lied to her and that crushes my heart to bits Sad
Please don't stay for them.

My mum did that for me and my siblings. It's a lot of weight you are putting on their little shoulders. It's an adult decision, not theirs.

I wish my mum had left. I actually have a poor relationship with her now for not being an adult and keeping us in a really shitty situation.

It's hard, I get it, but short term pain, long term gain. Remember that.

You'd do well to talk to women's aid and get professional support.

Questions99 · 17/03/2021 11:36

@AreWeOrAreWeNot I’m so sorry to hear that you’ve been through this. I don’t believe we have debts I’m unaware of (just assets ironically) but of course I don’t know what the future holds. Why did you lose yourself hide to pay him? Especially if you bought it before you met? We jointly own our house but the mortgage is relatively low so my hope would be that the kids and I can stay here, even if I have to split any profit when we sell because to move would be much more expensive and I have no savings. My friend’s husband forced her to sell their house and split the surplus but their mortgage was too high for her to cover it alone whereas I have been paying ours all this time. Maybe I’m being unrealistic about the DC and I staying in the house Confused

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Questions99 · 17/03/2021 11:44

Sorry for my typing, have to keep shutting the phone off. I just wanted to ask (if you’re happy to say) why you lost your home x

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youvegottenminuteslynn · 17/03/2021 11:56

@orchidsun

OP you'd be a fool to stay together with an abuser for the "sake of your child". Your child is going to be much less safe if you stay with this abusive man, modelling poor behaviours that she will copy. Show her the definition of empowerment. Kids are adaptable and she will bounce back. It's much crueller to keep her in an environment where you're too scared to speak up for yourself.
Please keep reading this post if you falter OP. You have a chance to massively reduce the likelihood of your daughter ending up in a relationship like this as an adult.
LittlestBoho · 17/03/2021 11:59

So no, I don’t want any of this. And when I consider the mess of mortgages and his income and self-employed status I know he could have a lot to lose and so will fight it. He can be very very nasty, cutting and aggressive when he feels under attack. It’s one thing in a row about money but separation process would be long and drawn out.

I have read the whole thread and based on the above I am really worried for you. As soon as he knows the gravy train is over he's going to absolutely rinse you. He's already been stealing from you when you're supposes to be on the same team, what will he be like when you're enemies?

Please do a Katie Holmes and blindside him. See a solicitor, make your plans, screenshot everything, stockpile money where you can and once everything is locked down tight then tell him you're divorcing. You're not going to be able to do this amicably with him, so make sure your interests are protected.

Also, stop him from looking like the primary carer of your children or you'll have to move out and pay him maintenance to stay in the house.

AreWeOrAreWeNot · 17/03/2021 12:23

@Questions99

Sorry for my typing, have to keep shutting the phone off. I just wanted to ask (if you’re happy to say) why you lost your home x
Although I owned the house before we met, we were in a long term relationship and therefore it was a marital asset despite him not being on the deeds and the mortgage in my name only. I could cover all the bills myself but he was entitled to a share of the home and I couldn't afford to take on the extra mortgage to pay him off. The house was sold and I was able to but a smaller one with an increased mortgage - everything worked out well in the end. I could perhaps have got a better deal for myself but, to be honest, I was so blindsided by his actions that I just wanted out asap. The time line was very quick. From the time I refused to bail him out again until I moved into my new home was 4 months. I do look back sometimes and think I should have fought more, but my children were adults and so I only had me to look after. I just wanted to see the back of him and figured my mental health was far more important. I have no regrets.
Itsokay2020 · 17/03/2021 12:53

I urge you to check your credit history - you can do this easily, and for no cost, and depending on which provider you use, you’ll get a monthly report which allows you to carry out a quick sense check. Take a look at Clear Score.

Making the mortgage payments is one thing, it’s whether your lender will transfer the mortgage to your sole name. This is where a lot of sales become forced because lenders won’t transfer.

Definitely get a separate account in your sole name. Speak to your existing bank, they should be able to do this over the phone for you by setting up a subsidiary account just for you and you have enough time (just!) to get you salary paid into the new account and you can transfer a portion from there. With regards to the cash you have found, have you checked your joint account statement? This will detail all withdrawals and which card was used as the last four digits ought to show.

You’re already seeking legal advice and I would keep your counsel until you have clarity. I understand your concerns regarding the impact on your children, but you cannot live like this and I implore you not to allow your DC to learn this behaviour.

RandomMess · 17/03/2021 13:01

Starting point for finances and the DC is 50:50 and you need to fight tooth and nail for this.

The sooner you divorce the sooner you can build your pension and savings back up.

This is why you need a forensic account to find out what money and assets he has as they are shared in the 50:50 as well.

If you move out with the DC and sort out before and after school care for them it puts you in a much stronger position to get at least 50:50. Presumably he worked before the DC and has a pension from then?

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