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Help. Confronting DH.

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Questions99 · 15/03/2021 19:43

I can’t get into lots of detail for safety but I am preparing for a confrontation with DH and I’m terrified. We have 2 school age DD.
He’s emotionally abusing me and it’s only in the last few months, with some counselling sessions I took alone, input of two trusted friends who don’t even know each other but have said the same that I’m wondering if he’s gaslighting. I had to look it up.
The primary issue is money. We have been married 20 years, own a home together a couple of flats which gives him a small income. I’ve worked full time most our marriage in a good job and been the ‘breadwinner’.
He’s addicted to collectibles and has periodically hidden spend from me arguing that we’re not in debt so why do I care?
I’ve spent several months feeling more and more sure he’s lying and has found himself a way to get extra income which he hides from me and leaves me to pay 70%-100% of our bills.
I literally only set up my own savings account last month having only ever had a joint account with him and paid in 100% of my salary for all these years. I know. Stupid. He was raging angry.
He tells me my job isn’t as important as I think it is, that I “need to fail” to stop everyone thinking I can do it all... various things like that.
The collecting has escalated in the past 9 months and I have gone into the various web accounts and noted all his spend for the past year (we share accounts, I’m not outwith my rights to check). I obviously can’t check his bank accounts.
I was having palpitations as I tried to gather all the information over several days without being caught. He’s rarely not at home so this is more difficult than it sounds.
I have also photographed as much of his collection as I can find but he keeps things hidden in drawers, safes, in envelopes and boxes so it is impossible for me to photo everything without him noticing.
He has a loud angry temper (but has never lashed out) and we have argued more in the last year than in 20 years. We both put it down to lockdown and our last argument on 8th March he said we have to just “agree to disagree” until the kids are back to school and we can talk without them hearing us fighting because I was so distressed at what our fighting was doing to the kids.
I’m not a fighter. I’m articulate but passive and people-pleasing and can be quiet/moody when I’m tried or stressed with work but the realisation dawning that he has taken absolute advantage of me is making me ill.
I just want him to pay 50/50 and he refuses saying he can’t afford it whilst another £1000 of collectibles arrive. He comes up with elaborate reasons why he needs to keep his money private (i gave up after 10 years asking him to join his account so we had equal transparency).
When I try and reason with him he flat out lies saying his income was temporarily higher and from April will be back to basic income (the amount I thought he was on all the time).
I am 99% sure he’s cash-funding this addiction as he hates debt (though when we met he had lots of debt.. my first sign I missed..). But of course I can’t be totally sure what he’s doing or how.
Today I analysed our joint account for the past 12 months and discovered Ive paid in 3 times what he has - he has taken OUT a 3rd of my salary paid in.
I’m trying to be subtle but he knows I’m getting all the facts together as he has started deleting all receipts and invoices as soon as they come into our email - and he’s emptying the email bin several times a day too.
The bottom line is he’s lying and has been for a long time. I think he’s also possibly got a spending addiction. According to Google this is ‘financial infidelity’ which I hadn’t heard of before but it’s exactly right.
I feel belittled, disrespected, betrayed, scared and devastated for our children who are amazing in every way and deserve so much better but I just can’t go on with it anymore. I love him but can’t respect him anymore for this. He seems to care about me - I know he adores the kids and can be lazy but is generally a good Dad.
But I have to confront him. Pay day in next week and he will freak out if I don’t pay in 70%
I have to find a way to make him stop spending our money and then lying, stonewalling, yelling... basically leaving me feel I’m somehow in the wrong.
I need help to know how to handle this.
Tomorrow is the first day both kids will be at school and literally the first time we’ve been alone in months. I have waited and bit my tongue but it needs to come out.
I’m keeping up appearances but I need help.
How do I prepare for the conversation?
The argument has always been me asking can he contribute more money - to which he says he contributes more non-financially than me (because he is only out at work a half day a week, I work at home but full time in a demanding job).
I pull my weight and keep the house clean and today and I’m the lead parent in terms of nurturing and spending quality time with the kids.
But today, I found envelopes with large amounts of cash hidden away. Not like savings here and there but pristine notes from a machine. My immediate thought was he has this ready to grab and go if he’s had enough or if I ever told him to leave. He’s never mentioned leaving other than once, four years ago but didn’t go through with it.
But I don’t know.
That’s the whole point - I don’t know what he’s doing but I do know he’s got a lot more money than he makes out and swears til he’s blue in the face that he can’t contribute more than 30% to our bills. I don’t know if I can be married to a prolific liar. It’s crushing my confidence. It’s crushing me.

What do I do to prepare to confront him?
He can be incredibly domineering and won’t talk if he doesn’t want to.
I’m an absolute wreck with anxiety and need some kind of breakthrough.
Has anyone ever faced financial infidelity? How did you deal with it? Is separating inevitable? Do I need to engage a solicitor? The police?
I hope someone can help me Sad

OP posts:
Mix56 · 30/03/2021 14:50

How are you ?

thenewduchessofhastings · 30/03/2021 14:58

Open a new account just in your name;boot him out and set up the direct debits for your home in that.

Show looking for paperwork,photograph/photo copy everything.Get a shit hot solicitor.Your entitled to half of everything including his rental properties and his Collectables especially as it sounds as though he's spent thousands of pounds out of your joint account on them.

Questions99 · 30/03/2021 15:22

He walked out on us last week. We have a meeting tomorrow (with a third party). Our children are absolutely heartbroken. I have put in place RL support and have to take it a day at a time.

OP posts:
Mix56 · 30/03/2021 15:38

What was his thinking? that paying half was unfair ? or that you finally were putting your foot down.
That must be the ultimate kick in the teeth.
I'm sorry your DC are hurting. But it actually it make the "forcing him out" a done deed.
Please Please protect your assets. Do not let him take the "collection" without an independent evaluation. & the rentals properties are not his either.
You have given him more than anyone could.

Sassanacs · 30/03/2021 16:03

Ffs kick him out

iknowimcoming · 30/03/2021 16:19

Wow he really is a piece of work, you're best off without him even if it doesn't seem like it right now, your kids will recover and be better off in the long run. I hope you're feeling a bit better. My advice is don't let him move back in - sounds like he's throwing a tantrum 'to teach you a lesson' - make sure you call his bluff and teach him one instead!

iknowimcoming · 30/03/2021 16:25

Oh and if he didn't take the envelopes of cash with him (sadly I bet he did) - gather them up and check for more and get it all into a bank account in your name only, open a new account if necessary!

Hoppinggreen · 30/03/2021 16:29

What are you hoping for?
That he will say yes, you are right, I’m sorry and then have a personality change?
That won’t happen so decide what exactly you want and work out if/how you can get it
In your shoes I would want him to leave and divorce him

Mix56 · 30/03/2021 16:43

Oh & Move all the money out of joint account. Its all yours anyway

ChiefBabySniffer · 30/03/2021 16:47

Oh my Lord, what a horrid piece of work! You will be ok though op, and you have your house. Have you checked to see if you are eligible for any benefits?

Fabiofatshaft1 · 30/03/2021 18:53

Gutted for you and the kids.

But he’s using the heartbreak of the children to mind - fuck you. As in ‘ I’ll come back if we return to the status quo, you keep working your ass off and paying all the bills, and I’ll keep on trucking...’

In fact, if he comes back on his terms, he will double down and make your life twice the misery it is now.

Tell him you want a divorce, you keep the house, he can keep the flats, he can keep what’s left of his collectibles once he has paid you generous maintenance and your legal bills.

Is is NOT going to change. Using the children’s sadness and upset to blackmail you is so Goddamn unforgivable, it defies description.

It’s hard for you. Fucking hard, but many of us have been there and come through the other side to see the light.

You say he cares for you..... fucking bullshit..... you THINK he cares because you only see the good in people, he does NOT care about you. He wouldn’t put you in hospital if he did......

It’s hard, and it’s going to get fucking harder, but suck it up, get a SHL to tear him a new sphincter and watch as he shits himself......

RandomMess · 30/03/2021 19:45
Thanks

I hope your RL support is helping you through this at least he has sabotaged his SAHP status.

I hope he left his collection behind!!!

Mix56 · 30/03/2021 21:10

@Fabiofatshaft1

Gutted for you and the kids.

But he’s using the heartbreak of the children to mind - fuck you. As in ‘ I’ll come back if we return to the status quo, you keep working your ass off and paying all the bills, and I’ll keep on trucking...’

In fact, if he comes back on his terms, he will double down and make your life twice the misery it is now.

Tell him you want a divorce, you keep the house, he can keep the flats, he can keep what’s left of his collectibles once he has paid you generous maintenance and your legal bills.

Is is NOT going to change. Using the children’s sadness and upset to blackmail you is so Goddamn unforgivable, it defies description.

It’s hard for you. Fucking hard, but many of us have been there and come through the other side to see the light.

You say he cares for you..... fucking bullshit..... you THINK he cares because you only see the good in people, he does NOT care about you. He wouldn’t put you in hospital if he did......

It’s hard, and it’s going to get fucking harder, but suck it up, get a SHL to tear him a new sphincter and watch as he shits himself......

Yes indeed Take step back, imagine it was your own daughter being subjected to his lies & machinations NEVER agree to any proposition. Reply. "I will think about it" or " I will speak to my lawyer" Di not be pressured to make a decision on any one thing
Beefcurtains79 · 31/03/2021 09:59

It doesn’t seem like it now but this is the best thing to have happened, stay in the house at all costs Do you have a solicitor yet? You can totally do this, you and the children’s lives will be so much improved.
You all deserve better than that piece of thieving shit.

Dontjumptoconclusions · 31/03/2021 15:41

I've been following your thread from day 1 OP, I'm sorry to hear of the most recent update. I can't imagine how betrayed you feel. But you're a strong woman, we all know you are. You will get through this and anything else that thief wants to throw at you

thenewduchessofhastings · 31/03/2021 21:04

I've just read your update;I'm sorry you and your kids are hurting but the trash in this case has quite literally taken itself out;he was what is famously referred to as a cocklodger.

Time to get that SHL to financially guard yourself and your DC.

I'm so sorry to say but given the level of cocklodging he was at I wouldn't be surprised if there was a OW.

Mix56 · 08/04/2021 07:51

How are you OP?

SpeakingFranglais · 08/04/2021 08:19

Sounds to me as though he has been building his nest egg with this in mind for ages. Hiding money, building his collection, lying about what he can afford whilst meanwhile stashing it all up for the move away.

When you got wind, he went.

Bastard. You will get over this, and him, and be so much happier in time to come 💐

puginamug · 08/04/2021 08:40

Has he taken his collection with him? All 200 boxes?

Now he's out of the house, catalogue it all.

I'm not sure if it's allowed but I'd be tempted to hire a storage unit, put it all in storage and give the key to your solicitor. Tell him he can access it under supervision.

puginamug · 08/04/2021 08:40

Alternatively, get an expert to provide an official valuation.

ittakes2 · 08/04/2021 11:49

Gosh I am sorry I would not confront him without getting proper legal advice. You have said yourself he lies - by confronting him you will trigger him to hide more things.
I am sure there must be financial abuse charities you can call to speak to? Or ring women's aid and ask them who to call?

Questions99 · 08/04/2021 12:41

I’m doing ok. Trying to adjust to life without him and think through my and the DC’s future interests. I think I’m doing well in practical ways (house has never been so clean and tidy!). The shock has subsided and the longer I’m not around him the stronger I feel but my heart is broken and especially for the kids. We are meeting again in a week or so and I have no idea at all whether he is going to say he wants to separate permanently or wants to come home (which is a horrifying thought to me right now). Right now, I just want to process what I’ve been through and get the space to actually know what I want.

OP posts:
puginamug · 08/04/2021 12:46

That all sounds really positive OP.

Just one thing, you do not have to talk in a week if you are not ready.

He has moved out.

It doesn't matter what he wants, it's what you want that matters and he will have to manage.

You cannot get back together because you're worried about how difficult he will make things if you don't - that's not a marriage.

And you can be sad for the DC but an abusive or coercive marriage is considerably worse for them than no marriage at all.

wewereliars · 08/04/2021 12:52

Don't meet him yet, too soon.

funnylittlefloozie · 08/04/2021 12:58

What a horrible situation he has put you through, and its still going on. You dont have to meet him next week if you dont feel entirely ready. Tell him you want another two weeks to do some serious thinking. It sounds to me as if you already know exactly what you want, and are starting to relax in your clean, peaceful, junk-free house. You can keep that state of mind forever, you know, even if you end up in a different house. You can still have that calm, relaxed, peaceful life, without him spending all your money and upsetting the applecart every five minutes.

Did he take all his junk with him?

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