Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Help. Confronting DH.

194 replies

Questions99 · 15/03/2021 19:43

I can’t get into lots of detail for safety but I am preparing for a confrontation with DH and I’m terrified. We have 2 school age DD.
He’s emotionally abusing me and it’s only in the last few months, with some counselling sessions I took alone, input of two trusted friends who don’t even know each other but have said the same that I’m wondering if he’s gaslighting. I had to look it up.
The primary issue is money. We have been married 20 years, own a home together a couple of flats which gives him a small income. I’ve worked full time most our marriage in a good job and been the ‘breadwinner’.
He’s addicted to collectibles and has periodically hidden spend from me arguing that we’re not in debt so why do I care?
I’ve spent several months feeling more and more sure he’s lying and has found himself a way to get extra income which he hides from me and leaves me to pay 70%-100% of our bills.
I literally only set up my own savings account last month having only ever had a joint account with him and paid in 100% of my salary for all these years. I know. Stupid. He was raging angry.
He tells me my job isn’t as important as I think it is, that I “need to fail” to stop everyone thinking I can do it all... various things like that.
The collecting has escalated in the past 9 months and I have gone into the various web accounts and noted all his spend for the past year (we share accounts, I’m not outwith my rights to check). I obviously can’t check his bank accounts.
I was having palpitations as I tried to gather all the information over several days without being caught. He’s rarely not at home so this is more difficult than it sounds.
I have also photographed as much of his collection as I can find but he keeps things hidden in drawers, safes, in envelopes and boxes so it is impossible for me to photo everything without him noticing.
He has a loud angry temper (but has never lashed out) and we have argued more in the last year than in 20 years. We both put it down to lockdown and our last argument on 8th March he said we have to just “agree to disagree” until the kids are back to school and we can talk without them hearing us fighting because I was so distressed at what our fighting was doing to the kids.
I’m not a fighter. I’m articulate but passive and people-pleasing and can be quiet/moody when I’m tried or stressed with work but the realisation dawning that he has taken absolute advantage of me is making me ill.
I just want him to pay 50/50 and he refuses saying he can’t afford it whilst another £1000 of collectibles arrive. He comes up with elaborate reasons why he needs to keep his money private (i gave up after 10 years asking him to join his account so we had equal transparency).
When I try and reason with him he flat out lies saying his income was temporarily higher and from April will be back to basic income (the amount I thought he was on all the time).
I am 99% sure he’s cash-funding this addiction as he hates debt (though when we met he had lots of debt.. my first sign I missed..). But of course I can’t be totally sure what he’s doing or how.
Today I analysed our joint account for the past 12 months and discovered Ive paid in 3 times what he has - he has taken OUT a 3rd of my salary paid in.
I’m trying to be subtle but he knows I’m getting all the facts together as he has started deleting all receipts and invoices as soon as they come into our email - and he’s emptying the email bin several times a day too.
The bottom line is he’s lying and has been for a long time. I think he’s also possibly got a spending addiction. According to Google this is ‘financial infidelity’ which I hadn’t heard of before but it’s exactly right.
I feel belittled, disrespected, betrayed, scared and devastated for our children who are amazing in every way and deserve so much better but I just can’t go on with it anymore. I love him but can’t respect him anymore for this. He seems to care about me - I know he adores the kids and can be lazy but is generally a good Dad.
But I have to confront him. Pay day in next week and he will freak out if I don’t pay in 70%
I have to find a way to make him stop spending our money and then lying, stonewalling, yelling... basically leaving me feel I’m somehow in the wrong.
I need help to know how to handle this.
Tomorrow is the first day both kids will be at school and literally the first time we’ve been alone in months. I have waited and bit my tongue but it needs to come out.
I’m keeping up appearances but I need help.
How do I prepare for the conversation?
The argument has always been me asking can he contribute more money - to which he says he contributes more non-financially than me (because he is only out at work a half day a week, I work at home but full time in a demanding job).
I pull my weight and keep the house clean and today and I’m the lead parent in terms of nurturing and spending quality time with the kids.
But today, I found envelopes with large amounts of cash hidden away. Not like savings here and there but pristine notes from a machine. My immediate thought was he has this ready to grab and go if he’s had enough or if I ever told him to leave. He’s never mentioned leaving other than once, four years ago but didn’t go through with it.
But I don’t know.
That’s the whole point - I don’t know what he’s doing but I do know he’s got a lot more money than he makes out and swears til he’s blue in the face that he can’t contribute more than 30% to our bills. I don’t know if I can be married to a prolific liar. It’s crushing my confidence. It’s crushing me.

What do I do to prepare to confront him?
He can be incredibly domineering and won’t talk if he doesn’t want to.
I’m an absolute wreck with anxiety and need some kind of breakthrough.
Has anyone ever faced financial infidelity? How did you deal with it? Is separating inevitable? Do I need to engage a solicitor? The police?
I hope someone can help me Sad

OP posts:
Questions99 · 16/03/2021 18:24

You’re right. Sad

OP posts:
candycane222 · 16/03/2021 18:24

I would photograph the money but not move it maybe - if you can show how much there is in a photo? maybe get close enough to show some serial numbers?

But yes take legal advice and collect every single tiny piece of information you can - covertly - so that he cannot hide it when it comes the the divorce that breaks you free from him once and for all.

He is stealing from you. Why would you want to be married to someone who steals from you? It's disgusting.

Jobsharenightmare · 16/03/2021 18:25

You are definitely in a fog. There is no confrontation needed no letter or anything. Take the advice from Women's Aid, book to speak to a solicitor this week. Do not pay your salary into the joint account.

oil0W0lio · 16/03/2021 18:26

@Questions99

I hadn’t though of it like that. I just want a way to as briefly as I can make my point and what I am asking him to do. And leave it with him to mull over. Or stay and be there if he wants to talk. Our communication is so broken, I’d fully expect him to just walk away. To the lounge, his phone and the TV.
he doesnt regard you as an equal with whom he has a fair negotiation, he regards you as a 'chump' to be fobbed off with any old shit to shut you up in the short term if you try and level with him you are just giving him info about what you plan to do, he will use that info to get what he wants and to thwart you
oil0W0lio · 16/03/2021 18:28

I know you feel you should be fair to him and give him a chance to step up etc, but he wont, he doesn't want to play fair because he doesn't see you as a person who is owed fairness, he see's you as someone to exploit for his own gain

tribpot · 16/03/2021 18:29

There really is no point confronting him. Your threat to put in 50% is a hollow one and he knows it - you won't allow bills to go unpaid or the kids to go without. He will. If you want a decent atmosphere at home for the kids you won't get one after this ultimatum. Plus it seems you have genuine reasons to be afraid of what he might do after you confront him.

I think you are better to use the time tomorrow to make an appointment to see one of these solicitors, it's unlikely you will be able to speak to them over the phone without an appointment. Go and see one and start to plan an exit strategy. He categorically is not going to say 'oh it's a fair cop' if you confront him.

Purplewithred · 16/03/2021 18:40

Talk to a solicitor.

He is an addict, and he is stealing from your children as well as from you.

What do you want for the future?

I suspect the classic 50/50 split based on an honest mutual disclosure of assets agreed via mediation is just never going to happen for you - he will lie and bluster and prevaricate and chew up money in solicitors fees. You may need to consider a much more drastic approach. Make sure you find a solicitor who understands that you are going to need to play hardball.

Cavagirl · 16/03/2021 18:44

Well done for speaking to WA OP. They're right, what he is doing is criminal.

The trouble with the confrontation, letter, one last chance etc is you're mistaking him for a reasonable person. A reasonable person, on being told by their wife that they are desperately unhappy with their financial arrangements would of course want to change things.

But a reasonable person wouldn't be there in the first place. They wouldn't have said "you don't need to know" how much they earned, they wouldn't be hiding money, spending, and they wouldn't be stealing from their wife.

I'm sorry but your hope of shocking him into treating you like an equal partner is a vain one and it's worrying how you talk about his possible responses "he'll explode". I'm not convinced it's actually safe for you to have that conversation with him.

Keep talking to Women's Aid, keep making plans, talk to the solicitor and get out ASAP.

Bigpaintinglittlepainting · 16/03/2021 18:57

If I was you I would do the following;
Collect all the cash around the house.
Open a new bank account to pay bills from, transfer your salary into that.
Empty the joint bank account.
Ask him to leave.

Longdistance · 16/03/2021 18:58

Take that money, it is yours. You haven't seen it. If he gets abusive and you're scared call the police.

NotSeenBulling · 16/03/2021 18:59

@youvegottenminuteslynn

I'm not sure I would consider taking the cash and stashing it somewhere - if you don't know where it came from and it's in big piles then it sounds dodgy as fuck.
But there was a break in and a lot of your stuff was taken too sadly.

: )

AnImposter · 16/03/2021 19:04

This thread makes me angry as fuck on your behalf Angry

oil0W0lio · 16/03/2021 19:13

I'd be very tempted to take the money and bank it then see what he does, obvs deny all knowledge of any money....but it would get ugly, possibly dangerous and you have small children...ergo you shouldnt do it
I'd want to teach the fucker a lesson🤬who wouldnt have that urge!
but it will be better for you and the children if you hang fire

PerveenMistry · 16/03/2021 19:19

@TillyTopper

Move out with the DCs. Find a solicitor who can get you a good settlement. Divorce him. Being terrified of talking to someone about finances or anything else is not a way to live the one life you have.
This.

It's negatively affecting your children whether or not you realize it. You are modeling horrible relationships for them.

Don't try to negotiate or communicate as if he is a normal and reasonable person. You take charge. Don't let him decide what your future will be, or it will be shit.

FantasticButtocks · 16/03/2021 19:35

He actually says to you that working is for chumps? So, because you are the 'chump' working full time, he himself is able to avoid working to provide his fair share, yet still have limitless money for his collection addiction?

So as far as he is concerned it's ok for you to work full time and provide for the family and also for his addiction. But he wouldn't lower himself. His disdain for people who work, and his fury if you won't continue to do that, ie be a 'chump' and just hand over your earnings with him spending on whatever the hell he wants, is just appalling.

And he has been controlling this situation by intimidation, with the prospect of his rage if you don't basically keep coughing up to pay for his habit.

It does sound as though confrontation is possibly not the way to go, especially if you feel he would escalate it. Perhaps a bit of quiet plotting and getting yourself in the best possible position with all the practicalities and facts etc before you speak with him. And also getting clear in your head what (realistic) outcome you actually want.

Best of luck? Thanks

CombatBarbie · 16/03/2021 19:40

Why does he get the income from the 2 flats if you both own them. Fairest thing to do would have been to put all income into one account and have equal spends to each other but I think it's gone well past this stage!!

I'd confront him and ask him to log on to his banking so you can see his account.

Is there a chance he has sold one of the flats without you knowing??

oil0W0lio · 16/03/2021 19:42

stashing cash around the place seems weird
surely if you feel the need for a slush fund you put it in a secret account...dont you?
why cant he do that?
whats going on to make it a better option to hide cash in the place?

oil0W0lio · 16/03/2021 19:43

I'd confront him and ask him to log on to his banking so you can see his account
nooo, pls read the back story...too risky!

RandomMess · 16/03/2021 19:44

I would take the cash, if he mentions it then he has to admit that he's got that money.

CombatBarbie · 16/03/2021 19:48

I have read the back story... I'm not sure what I've missed. She wants transparency and a way forward. If she wants the marriage to survive he needs to show his accounts.

orchidsun · 16/03/2021 19:51

you definitely need someone you trust with you when you confront him.

queenofthenorthwest · 16/03/2021 19:53

Take the cash.
File for divorce.
Ask your solicitor to ensure form e 's are completed.

All of the above without an actual shadow of a doubt or one bit of guilt.

willibald · 16/03/2021 19:53

I'd hire a forensic accountant and then a solicitor. Wouldn't bother confronting. But get the proof you need via a forensic accountant and the info you need from a solicitor. Apply to divorce. Tell him.

wewereliars · 16/03/2021 20:11

Get the evidence now, before he knows what's happening, and if there's cash lying around/ hidden,take it, he's been stealing from you and it's yours. I used to use forensic accountants in my work, and because I knew my ex was hiding money I rang them up and asked how much a report would cost. They said that evidence put before the court by nefarious means, eg opening post addresed to the other party, will be ignored by the court. You have a small window OP where you are still theoretaically a couple, and he doesn't know where you are mentally, so get what you can now. And think about what a shit he has been to you whilst supposedly your partner. Once he knows you're over he will behave in ways that may shock you, and you will see a side you haven't seen before. Be very careful.

GeorgiaGirl52 · 16/03/2021 20:23

@HollowTalk

First I would take that money and give it to a friend for safekeeping. I'd tell him that, too.

There's no point in him promising to be above board. He's lazy, greedy and selfish, and he's bleeding you dry.

He's not a good husband or a good parent. I'd be talking to a solicitor about separation.

PLEASE DO THIS^ If possible get some of the more valuable collectibles and store them in a safe deposit box in your name only. The moment he realizes that the gravy train has stopped, he will grab for his cash and collections and leave you with large credit card bills or other debts. Protect yourself and your children and your future.
Swipe left for the next trending thread