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Husband said he wants a ‘divorce’ after argument

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TierTired87 · 22/12/2020 14:00

New to Mumsnet. But feeling pretty isolated at the moment.

My husband and I had an argument on Sunday. We don’t argue often, but he tends to start them when they do. He’ll then go on and on and on until I retaliate and say something I regret. At which point I’m the b**ch and I get it in the neck for a few days afterwards for being ‘mean’.

Stupidly, I did a throwaway comment after being gone at for a good hour: “If you think that, why not just get divorced?”. SILLY, I know. But you know when you’re just pushed and pushed and you sometimes say something you don’t mean?

Anyway. Monday morning I apologised. I’ve had since “well, we’re getting divorced” and “let’s get Christmas out of the way and then we’ll separate”. When I explained I didn’t mean it he’s all “Well, maybe I do. It’s what you want.” - despite lots of apologies from me. He’s even gone so far as to start emailing lawyers.

If I bring it up, he says “you said it - so you want it.” type thing.

It almost feels like he’s enjoying it.

He also won’t sleep in the same room, which has led to DD asking questions.

During the argument he spoke to me like I was sh*t, and since he has done too. Although if I mention anything he has said, he says I am ‘twisting words’. I am not.

I don’t know if he’s just playing a massive game. Which I don’t think is fair over Christmas....or if he means it.

He won’t help with any Christmas prep.

He’s also taken my house keys so I can’t leave the house without him. He says he hasn’t, but I found them in his dog walking coat - I’ve left them though.

Feel so lost and confused. and silly for making the stupid throwaway comment in the first place.

OP posts:
youvegottenminuteslynn · 22/12/2020 22:45

Oh and he will have fucked you over financially. There's no reason to have stopped you having quick and easy access to the finances YOU contribute to. And again, think of your kids - him fucking you over financially would mean he is fucking your kids over financially by making the family's finances less stable.

God he's such a wanker and he's got you so broken that you think getting baileys and flowers and nicking a ciggie off him means things are looking up.

Please try to take on board how disgusted by his behaviour people on here are. It's vile.

ursuslemonade · 22/12/2020 22:47

Wake up and smell the coffee! This is an unhealthy, abusive situation. Why are you allowing this to go on? He fucking warned you not to make a mistake again. Christ I wish someone could make you see him. The real him.

Tistheseason17 · 22/12/2020 22:51

Just read your update... Jeez,you don't have to put up with this emotional and financial abuse.
Get your finances sorted. Get access to the joint account- get screenshots of how much money he contributes so he can't pretend he is poor in the future.
Sirg. Your. Plan. Then ask him to leave.

Tistheseason17 · 22/12/2020 22:51

*sort

Giraffey1 · 22/12/2020 23:04

OP, I feel sorry for you. You haven’t got closer to a resolution, all that has happened is that he continues to get his own way, with the blame being on you. Everything will be ok just so long as you do what you are told, toe the line, apologise more quickly [WTF?!?!) and so on.

From the outside looking in, everything you have said a,es it clear he is unkind, cruel, lying, manipulating, controlling and arrogant. I despair that you are fighting to give him contracts, you really shouldn’t be. I don’t think you can see him clearly for what he is. Maybe this thread will help.

lilylongjohn · 22/12/2020 23:05

I'm not sure if you think his requests are reasonable or not. I do hope you realise what a horrid individual he is

Justtryingtobehelpful · 22/12/2020 23:09

Get educated, read the Lundy book. Hiding the keys is a popular activity for abusive men. There's a retelling of a session where they all admit to doing it. Then, wine said they use to hide random stuff of their partners just for the kick of watching them run around getting annoyed.

I do wonder if he's ever done that to you?

Wolf in Sheep's Clothing would be a good book too. The manipulation tactics section would be good for you to read. The switcheroo where you end up the mean one is covered very well by the author.

These are common tactics used by manipulative people. Read up and compare your husband to them.

I think you need to take a few months to really start understanding the situation you are in. Maybe aim for Summer to be in a position to start changing your life. Play along with him. He'll sense you changing anyhow so expect him to ramp it up. But, I'd say take your time and see your situation for what it is. Work quietly on the changes you want to make.

Lundy Bancroft's book 'Why Does He Do That? docdro.id/py03

www.amazon.co.uk/Why-Does-He-That-Controlling-ebook/dp/B000Q9J0RO?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

The shark explanation will be good to see how he hooked you in
www.google.com/amp/s/www.oomm.live/the-shark-cage-metaphor-spotting-potential-abusers/amp/

The opening chapter of this book is a great read on love bombing
Power
amazon.co.uk/POWER-Surviving-Narcissistic-Collection-Narcissism/dp/1945796324&ved=2ahUKEwikqYzdkJXqAhWJQUEAHSVBDF8QFjAMegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw1ZCj-0LUkQfcT-QQGkUm_A]]

For more details on why you struggle to get his needs, wants and words or of your head.....
How He Gets into Her Head: The Mind of the Male Intimate Abuser www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1855942208/ref=cm_sw_r_em_apa_i_gxxAEbBTMRXTM?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

TheSilveryPussycat · 22/12/2020 23:16

he even got you a bell????

Dery · 22/12/2020 23:29

As PP have said, you are hopefully starting to realise how instinctively abusive he is - he can’t help himself from doing wrong - you just have to not make any mistakes and it will all be fine. That is really sinister. This is a very unhealthy relationship which you are modelling to your DD.

And how are you paying money into an account you can’t access? Give yourself a shake, OP, and sort that out right now. If you can’t talk to him about it, that is a sure sign he is abusive. Unless you have a gambling problem, there are only bad reasons for you not to have access to your own money.

So, you were 22 when you got together with this guy. How old was he? Am interested to know if there is an age imbalance here.

BlueThistles · 22/12/2020 23:40

@ursuslemonade

Wake up and smell the coffee! This is an unhealthy, abusive situation. Why are you allowing this to go on? He fucking warned you not to make a mistake again. Christ I wish someone could make you see him. The real him.

yip totally agree 🌺

Happymum12345 · 22/12/2020 23:40

It sounds like he needs therapy.

hocuspocus1922 · 22/12/2020 23:43

He's playing a game op . He seems very insecure . This is why he is bullying and picking on you . A way to fry and make him feel superior. He's only saying about divorce because in reality he's upset you said it and worried you mean it . I have lived with somone like this and it destroyed me , get out now op he will never change . Is emotional abuse

Holothane · 22/12/2020 23:50

Get out now ring woman’s aid, you’ve got a dd to consider, your mental health as well.

Gobbeldegook · 22/12/2020 23:51

He's a cunt. Honestly ltb

NovemberR · 22/12/2020 23:57

17 pages and not a single poster thinks he sounds ok.

Or that he might have a point. Or that you could fix this.

Are you getting the message?

SandyY2K · 23/12/2020 00:42

Him bringing you baileys and flowers, then going on to blame you and not take responsibility is rather pointless.

Yet, apparently that’s just how he is and I need to work around it by not making ‘mistakes’....

Why? Because he's the king of the castle and you need to tread around him. He can be who he is, but you can't and must work around the Lord and master.

His comment about you not having a backbone and guiding you through life would really piss me off..so very patronising.

I really couldn't be happy with someone who isn't bothered about my feelings.

He's controlling and doesn't like you being assertive....Well people change over the years and he needs to know you've grown out of being a pushover....if he cannot deal with that and treat you as an equal, then that's his problem and perhaps he should seek individual therapy to help him. If he can be honest with the therapist, it may help...but if he maintains that you just have to dance to his tune, then nothing will change.

Marriage requires compromise....not one person always being beaten into submission....and why is it okay for him to berate you for an hour as he did? That needs to be dealt with. He needs to know that this isn't good you want to live and if he's unable to recognise it and change, that you're concerned about the future of your marriage.

That's not a threat of divorce....it's just saying things aren't equal...that you don't want to be berated as it makes you unhappy and if things don't change you're concerned for the future. No reasonable human being could take issue with this.

FWIW...I think him getting a contract in your company is a conflict of interest, especially where you're involved as a decision maker and have the power to get him in. Nobody else in the field will get a look in because you work there and he has an obvious advantage.

It would be different in another person in the company dealt with it and you had no involvement or influence.

GabsAlot · 23/12/2020 00:54

oh dear he acts that way because you make mistakes

everything is on you isnt it-nothing is his fault

PolkadotGiraffe · 23/12/2020 00:58

Wow. This sounds like he wanted a divorce and is delighted you've made it easy for him with your comment.

The relationship seems irretrievable from what you have posted. I expect you'll be much happier away from him. Taking your keys to your home?!? Controlling and abusive. Nobody should continue to live with someone who behaves like that, cut him loose.

Onthedunes · 23/12/2020 01:06

I should imagine he's one one of those wonderfully creative types who are oh so intellegent, always right... a higher functioning narcisist.

It only goes one way with these types, harder to please, harder to keep the peace, swallowing more and more of your pride, until you have no dignity left. Not wanting to be in others company for fear they show their contempt of you to others.

It's all part of the game/plan call it what you will, it will happen.
He needs to live alone, he's damaged and horrible.

Selfish, selfish man.
Sorry but however much you idolise this man we can all see he has a bad heart.
He will become worse.

Read H G Tudor, about narcisists, they never, ever do anything unless there is something in it for them.
They are users.

He still has a use for you.

He really doesn't feel anything for anyone other than himself, remember that.

SquarePeggyLeggy · 23/12/2020 01:11

He sounds emotionally abusive and controlling. Divorcing him is a good idea!

Marty13 · 23/12/2020 01:17

Heya OP, didn't read the full thread but I did read all of your updates. I'm sorry, but... Posts like yours are the reason I'm so glad to be a single parent by choice. It's hard work but I don't have to navigate the moods of someone who always puts the onus on you to change, do more, do better. Now he's trying to convince you that his ridiculous behaviour is your fault because you didn't apologize fast enough ?!!!

My advice is... Go away for a while. It doesn't have to be a divorce or a separation ! Just go away for a while if you can - stay with a friend, a family member, or rent a place if you have to. Try to see how you feel for a few days without him in your life. Gain some perspective. At the end of it, you can go back to him if you really want to - I'm not sure you'll want to though.

And look, I'll even use my psychic powers.

When you tell him you need to breathe and you're taking a few days away, he will do the following :

  • sulk and try to stop you
  • suddenly become amazingly thoughtful - presents, flowers, etc (don't fall for it ! It's a trap, the moment you agree to stay he'll revert back to his current self)
  • if despite the amazing behaviour you don't budge and still want to go, he'll start sulking, giving you the silent treatment, possibly threaten you with divorce/money/custody of the dogs/custody of your daughter

Please give it a shot and let me know how much of a psychic I am ! Also, don't give him too much of a heads up or he'll think up ways to make you miserable. Tell him as late as possible that you're going.

Marty13 · 23/12/2020 01:24

Also when you go switch off your phone or he won't leave you alone. Or block his number for the duration. Try to go cold turkey. See how it feels to not tiptoe, not be berated, not be belittled !! And let him do his own laundry, etc for a while. And if you go back to a huge pile of laundry (assuming you do go back) don't do it ! Let it sit for all eternity if you must. I bet he doesn't do much if any housework usually...

timeisnotaline · 23/12/2020 02:00

My New Years resolution for you is: a fresh new backbone op. The clarity to see what you should have in a relationship, and what you deserve. The determination to book a solicitors appt to understand finances as a start. The (I don’t know what - wisdom? Humility? Something else!) to message your old go to guy and one other friend perhaps and get back in touch. The common sense to not engage him on a huge new contract with your work. If you’re arguing and possibly divorcing that connection is undoubtedly conflicted, you cannot lie to your ceo about it. For now tell your dh you had an epiphany- after You have argued his case and asked work to hire him, he will still call you unsupportive, he wouldn’t have his business wihtout you having supported him to get it going and nothing you do will ever be enough until he takes a long hard look at himself.

mumofone2019 · 23/12/2020 02:05

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Dullardmullard · 23/12/2020 02:43

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/3786349-Divorcing-sulking-H-will-it-happen-in-2020

There is a few threads on this one but read it as it sounds like your husband with the silent treatments I’d be leaving real soon if me.