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Living apart because of his x.

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Lacroix89 · 22/12/2020 10:37

Hi mums,
I'm new here and I didn't know where else to write about thia as my friends and family don't understand how I feel and they're not partial.

For the past year I've been living together with my fiancé. He's got 3 children from a previous relationship and when we moved in together he wasn't allowed to see his children. Their mom said they didn't want to and that he had chosen my children over his own. And the time went on and on and nothing seemed to work because and she said he had to get his own flat if he wanted to see his kids, because they don't need a new mommy and didn't want to see me.
At first he refused because he said she couldn't decide what he had to do.

But he started to slowly fall apart so I said he should get another flat so he has a chance to see them. Meaning he'd use it whenever he was gonna see he kids and be in our flat the rest of the flat. And as soon as he said the the mom he was planning on it he got to see his kids. Now he's moved out and I'm standing here heartbroken. Not knowing when I will see him again. Becuase he's a spent alot of time in the new flat. I know it is because he's setting up furnitures and stuff, but i find it hard to deal with. I hate the fact that i don't know if and when he'll stop by here, as he's moved all hia clothes etc to the new flat, so it would seem to the kids that he lives there.
Or if he's gonna stay over. Over a night my whole life changed, i hate the fact that i won't wake up in the morning and he'll be there every morning, or going to bed at night together every night.
And i dont know what the future will be. If I will slowly get introduced into hia kids lives.
I hope you guys understand what I mean. Of course urae he has to put his kids first and make it work. But I don't know if i could take it withoit knowing it will be an end to all this. What would you have done? I mean I've said to him several times that I want him to be here as much as before when his kids are not with him and he said he would. But somehow everything is different😭 And all because his x refuse to let me see his kids. He's not even sure they have said they don't want to meet me. That it's more to not upset their mom.

Please write me something. Please tell me what to do, what you would have done. Good or bad.

I know I have to do this for his kids sake but how much should I put up with? There must be a limit somewhere.

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Hillary111 · 22/12/2020 14:12

@yvanka Amen!!

Lacroix89 · 22/12/2020 14:14

It's rented, so it wouldn't be a hassle to get rid of it.
I thought I had been clear on that but apparently not.

Im gonna talk to him tonight, I'm just afraid of the answers. But it's not just for me but also my own children as he's been a huge part of their lives.

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ImEatingVeryHealthilyOhYes · 22/12/2020 14:15

I hate to say it but is he really worth al this? You could be single and have none of the hassle.

I’m sure he’s a great guy but the downsides are significant!

3rdNamechange · 22/12/2020 14:15

@Lacroix89

He would if she doesn't stick to the agreement of letting him see the kids despite him getting a new flat. But i don't see gow the legal route would help us living together?
If he went to court , she couldn't stop them coming to your house.
ImEatingVeryHealthilyOhYes · 22/12/2020 14:15

Sorry maybe that was too blunt

DianaT1969 · 22/12/2020 14:18

Don't send her a letter OP. It sounds as if his moving in with you so quickly backfired. She (and his DC) understandably don't want to spend their time at your house. He has done the right thing setting up a flat as a neutral space for his DC. Take ownership and responsibility for the error you both made in rushing to be a blended family before everyone was on board.
Carry on as a single, independent woman who is dating someone in his own place. You may find that not washing his socks, and not being involved in his daily dramas with his ex, is a huge plus for your relationship. If on the otherhand, your relationship fizzles out, them it didn't have longevity in the first place. You don't mention if you were the other woman, or if he has separated a short time before meeting you - but either way, you both rushed and now you have the chance to rectify it.

Lacroix89 · 22/12/2020 14:18

No worries, I'm open to all comments lol. I see your point and I love him. If i didnt I wouldn't agree on this arrangement.

But I'm gonna talk to him tonight and tell him how I feel and think about it. And I will probably put up with this a bit longer.

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Lacroix89 · 22/12/2020 14:27

Good point, but that wouldn't be fair on his kids. That would only solve the issue with the mom. Not us living together as they would come straight into our home. Not that I would mind having them here as often as possible, but since the situation is what it is I've not met them yet.

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dontdisturbmenow · 22/12/2020 14:27

My initial thought was that her issue wasn't with you but your house not able to accommodate them but you say they could even have their own room? You mean you have a 6 bedroom house (assuming you have 2 children who have their own room).

What is it that she claims is so wrong with you that it would be detrimental for her kids to be around you?

Lacroix89 · 22/12/2020 14:29

I feel like i have taken responsibility for this as much as i can as it was my idea about a new flat.
It's the not staying here when his children is not here that upsets me.

I was not the other woman.

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LouJ85 · 22/12/2020 14:30

@KylieKoKo

Op you deserve better than this. The fact that he has children does not negate your entirely natural feelings of being heartbroken because your partner has moved out. He has allowed himself to be controlled and manipulated by his ex.

I think you should end it unless you want to spend your life in a relationship which is controlled by his ex to this extent.

I agree with this entirely.

LouJ85 · 22/12/2020 14:31

@KylieKoKo

Op I suggest that you post on the step parenting forum. You might find that people there are more supportive.

And this.

Lacroix89 · 22/12/2020 14:32

My children share a bedroom atm and have a play room. Because its easier that way. But if they still shared bedroom and moved their toys they'd be able to have their own rooms when they're here.

We're not of the same religious belief.

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LouJ85 · 22/12/2020 14:34

She knows everything. She knows where i work, she knows where my kids go to school and she knows when we've bought food.

This is odd behaviour on her part. Why does she need this information? She sounds controlling. And your DP is allowing her to be so.

Lacroix89 · 22/12/2020 14:36

That has partly stopped as he actually told her off about it and told her off for going through my fb, insta etc. Looking for dirt as she put it.

She admits and tells him/us all the things she does. It's not like she's hiding it.

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LouJ85 · 22/12/2020 15:51

@Lacroix89

That has partly stopped as he actually told her off about it and told her off for going through my fb, insta etc. Looking for dirt as she put it.

She admits and tells him/us all the things she does. It's not like she's hiding it.

Well I meant more because he's allowed her to dictate the company he keeps when he sees his own kids. My DP would have told his ex wife where to go if she'd tried to say I couldn't be present when the kids were here. Such controlling behaviour.

Lacroix89 · 22/12/2020 16:14

I know what you mean. As per usual I'm too nice, I put up with way more things than I should have and I've always been this way.
But I need to starr thinking about myself as well. If he can't meet me half way then I guess it's over.

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Jobsharenightmare · 22/12/2020 16:18

He is entitled to a life and it really is none of their mum's business anymore. Why didn't he ignore her and take her to court?

Lacroix89 · 22/12/2020 16:19

I really don't know. 😔

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Jobsharenightmare · 22/12/2020 16:22

I'm sorry OP. I think you have to have a heart to heart and say that if he doesn't go down the legal route you can't see a future where you and he are in control over your lives, not his previous wife.

billy1966 · 22/12/2020 16:32

OP,

Unfortunately I think you have rushed into a situation and paying a heavy price.

He should go to court but prefers to be controlled by his ex and move out.

I think you need to think of yourself and your children as you clearly are not in any way a priority here.

Protect yourself.
She's won and it sounds like you are going to get very hurt.
Flowers

Hailtomyteeth · 22/12/2020 16:39

I think you need to take a few long, deep breaths.

So, you and your children live in your own place, you haven't had to move? Good.

You were with this man eighteen months and moved him in? Too soon.

He's gone from the house now? Good.

His ex is a red herring. It's his behaviour that matters, because it affects you and shows how he is thinking. Forget her, she's irrelevant. Expecting to be 'friends' with his ex and expecting her to have a good opinion of you is unreasonable, even if you met him after he split with her. Feelings are involved. She isn't going to love you.

Don't write to the ex. He is an autonomous being and your relationship is with him, not her. You and she can't decide between you that he will be with you, which is what you seem to want.

You aren't of the same religious belief? That's a problem if one of you cares. If neither of you are religious, or both are tolerant, it doesn't matter. But it's a red flag if it means your expectations are different.

You want/expect him to have his own flat but to live with you and your children except when his children are with him. That's a bit controlling. It also puts you in the position of potentially being massively abused, taken advantage of. You'd be providing home comforts and sex for what? OK, if it's freely for your own pleasure... but why inflict this man on your children?

His being absent isn't 'all because his ex' this or that. It's his choice.

More deep breaths.

Sort out what kind of life you want before you speak to him tonight.
I'd suggest you tell him to stay in his own flat, not ever come to yours - certainly don't drop round for sex, food, washing, whatever - and that if he wants to date you, nicely, he can. At his expense. To give you pleasure.

Put yourself first.

TicTacTwo · 22/12/2020 16:59

I hope you're not trying for a baby or plan to try for one.

He shouldn't have entered a new relationship without establishing boundaries with his ex like having a legal agreement over the kids (a Child
Arrangement Order costs £210) A legal agreement would mean that he can see the kids wherever he deems suitable whether that's his new home or yours.

I understand why you don't want to be the one pushing him but his lack of action is worrying and a red flag. He didn't go to court for the agreement, he needed you to encourage him to get a flat... It's common for divorced dads to fall into the trap of what they think is the path of least resistance but he's got years of coparenting left and an agreement when he left would have set things up until they were adults.

The ex is not unreasonable to say that going from not knowing about you to having contact at your house is unacceptable. What should have happened is he lived apart from you until you both knew that the children could get along too. It's a step back for the couple but it's what should have happened first. I know it's going to be hard to explain this to your kids as they'll have established a bond but this was always the problem with moving in too early.

Techway · 22/12/2020 17:00

His children would have had to share 1 bedroom, is that right?

Those saying go to court, first step is mediation and the children's wishes and feelings would be taken into account. Cafcass will not force a 13 year old to stay at their Dads gf's house. They might encourage the father to build a relationship outside of his gf's house and suggest a phased approach. Bedroom space, genders and ages of the Op's children would be taken into consideration. We don't have that detail.

I don't know why people are surprised that some children refuse to blend with the children of the person that their parent is dating..you can't force it and at certain ages, like teen, its extremely difficult to change their minds.

The likely reason the dad didn't go to court was because he would not be able to force the children to sleep at his girlfriends house. That is the reality. A solicitor would likely to advise that he sort suitable accommodation for his children so that overnight access could be facilitated.

That is what he has done.

Also it's concerning that the Op says her children have been heavily involved with this man who she has known for 18months. What a mess!

Lacroix89 · 22/12/2020 17:07

His children would get their own rooms, not share a room. My children share a bedroom share a bedroom and have a playroom.

My children have NOT been heavily involved, they've gotten used to have him around. Massive difference. We have never tried to have him act like a dad to them but he's been here and done what any adult would have done when children are around. He's not thwir dad and we have never forced it.
We moved to ha new flat together to get a bigger flat. So it's not hos gf's flat.

Also We've known each other longer than 18 months. So that's just an assumption from your part.

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