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Is this love bombing or is this man just keen and knows what he wants?

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piddocktrumperiness · 16/12/2020 10:08

I matched with a guy on Friday on Tinder, went for an impromptu walk that afternoon- he was pleasant enough and we found out we had been under each others noses all these years (went to the same schools, same college, lived in the same neighbourhood). I didn't have any other plans that evening, so accepted his second date request for a coffee.

He shared a lot of personal information about his very very vulnerable past claiming he couldn't believe he's telling me this, but felt compelled to. We had a third date on the Saturday and again it was pleasant. I felt no spark but I never really have so I tend to keep my guard and let them grow on me type of thing. If the date was overall pleasant with no major red flags, I go on another to double check.

He messages a lot-alot. He texts in the morning, tells me the thought of me makes him smile. We talk for hours on the phone, and ask each other questions ( we have lots in common it seems- our answers are nearly always the same). He said that he is an all in or all out type of guy, and that he spend several years single to learn more about what he likes and doesn't and would rather be single than in the wrong relationship- but he feels something special is brewing between us and that he'd like to give it a real shot. He said he felt a spark and some butterflies on the first date and was buzzing ever since. He has also said he is willing to get off the app and focus on seeing where this goes- intense!

I told him to calm down, that I take things super slow, at my own pace that I have been hurt before, so I am very cautious and petty skeptical and that men talk the talk- I look for actions and for actions to match the words. I told him to stop idealising me, as he doesn't know me yet. I told him that asking me to make a decision to take things forward after 24 hrs is intense and I won't do it ( I think he may have been a little hurt when I told him I had a date arranged for a while, for later in the week- he said he cancelled the dates he had) He has said that he isn't intense, or doesn't mean to come across like that, but that he genuinely feels something special and is very excited about it and that he thinks all the similarities, the fact we were under each others noses, same schooling, all of it are signs that we were aligned and supposed to meet each other- for a reason.This all to me sounds like major love bombing run away territory. He has also said he wants me to keep my guard up so that he can prove he is sincere and that he can earn my trust. He said he wants to build a fulfilling long lasting relationship that is built on friendship, however long it takes, so he's willing to take sex off the table ( however difficult it is for him) for as long as I want- because he wants to get to know me, for me.

I have been semi love bombed before- they get exhausted after a few weeks, it's never the lavish gifts or anything but it's the over promising and under delivering, the compliments, and the verbal affection- so I am always skeptical. Most men I date don't put half as much effort and most certainly don't know what they want. However, through our long conversations, this guy comes across as having his head screwed on well, his values and outlook on life are similar to mine, which makes me a bit pissed off that he is so intense like this.

I guess I'd like to know if from any of your experiences, do men know from the first date that they found someone special? Can they come across intense but from a good place? I can't figure out if he really is love bombing me or if he is a hopeless romantic.

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sallyanne33 · 16/12/2020 10:24

I’d be wary of this. It feels quite needy and possibly sinister, would be a turn off for me. But you’ve told him to stop and calm down so I guess the test will be whether he respects that or keeps on being OTT, then you’ll know he’s nuts and can bin him off. It does sound like he’s idealising you, he really doesn’t know you at all at this point. Maybe meet him again and see how it unfolds, hopefully he will chill out. Don’t let him come over though, you don’t want him to know where you live until you’re sure you’ve got the measure of him. Also, one thing that jumped out for me was ‘he’s willing to take sex off the table however hard it is for him’, that seems a bit presumptuous of him, surely it’s also for you to decide whether sex is on the table or not?

Aprilx · 16/12/2020 10:26

I think there is no harm in continuing to see where it goes, but I would certainly be wary of love bombing as it sounds like that is what it could be.

RollneckJumper · 16/12/2020 10:34

Sounds like love bombing to me.

Perhaps tell him you feel overwhelmed by the volume of messages he sends and the idealisation is off putting. Try suggesting that he tones it down and state that you want to take things slower.

If he genuinely is as interested as he says he is, he should go along with your wishes. Then you have the opportunity to get to know him better before making your mind up.

If he can't handle toning things down and doesn't agree to slow down.. it will become apparent quite quickly as he will get frustrated with a lack of attention (that he clearly wants from you).

EarthSight · 16/12/2020 10:40

I'd be wary. I don't think he has much self awareness. It may not be sinister love bombing, but I think some men fall in love really quickly, then one day they realise how fast everything is going (which they themselves have initiated). They get cold feet and end up breaking things off out of the blue. It leaves the woman heartbroken, thinking she's done something wrong, what what's happened is the guy has behaved impulsively.

You need to feel comfortable. If his intensity is making you feel claustrophobic, overwhelmed, and you are mentally pulling away because you feel he's needy and a bit much, then that is not a good sign going forwards. Some of this might be cultural, but it's not coming across as being keen - it's coming across as emotional desperation and that is bound to make a lot of people suspicious. Yes, it's important to express enthusiasm, but one also needs to reign it in and it's important to sense if the other person feels the same, other wise they can seriously be put off by it (as you are).

I don't think seeing one person at a time is a problem though - someone might find it easier to focus that way. I also think that seeing multiple people can make things emotionally complicated, with people not being able to decide on the person in front of them because they are also dating number 2,3 and 4.

EarthSight · 16/12/2020 10:43

Also, despite how much you're talking, how much you apparently have in common, this issue is highlighting key emotional differences between you both, and that might be an even bigger problem as you progress.

Nothavingfunrightnow · 16/12/2020 10:45

Love bombing.

WhatsAParlay · 16/12/2020 10:47

It's the mirroring that would worry me more than anything. Oh we have the same values, the same opinions, everything's aligned for a reason. I believed this crap and ended up in an emotionally and sexually abusive marriage for over a decade.

I also worry about him being willing to take sex off the table ( however difficult it is for him) because I promise you that will come back and you will be punished for it the very first time you disagree "but I did this for you and now you say..."

My advice is run for the hills.

Katiefizz76 · 16/12/2020 10:48

I just lost a long message.

He sounds like a textbook lovebomber. Not all lovebombers are narsissistic/personality disordered/ potentially abusive but most are. I think you should focus on him wanting to secure this relationship into something serious and the constant contact. These are the things that would worry me the most, try and get these to a healthier place in a new relationship. If he is unable/ unwilling to listen to you I would end it.

piddocktrumperiness · 16/12/2020 10:54

thank you so much for your inputs- yes I agree with so many of the views here. It does seem like emotional desperation. Whilst I haven't shared his vulnerable past on here, I do feel that it has had a major impact or influence on how he is behaving- not his fault at all, but I don't doubt that it may have manifested itself in clinging or holding onto something that gave you attention. I may be wrong, but over the last few years of being single, I've read so many books on attachment and dating to figure out my own problems so I have picked up on a few things with him that I have read about.

@EarthSight- could you please elaborate on what you mean by emotional differences and how that could pose a bigger problem in the future?

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piddocktrumperiness · 16/12/2020 10:56

@Katiefizz76 Interesting, how would you advise I do that? Is there anything beyond me telling I want to take it slow that I should say?

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Sssloou · 16/12/2020 10:57

Is there any evidence that you have been under each other’s noses all these years? You may have been or he may be mirroring this as well as the “values”.

Sounds like he has no boundaries or respect for your personal time and space to be bombarding you with texts. I suspect his RS history is interesting.

He sounds emotionally inadequate / immature / deficient to me.

piddocktrumperiness · 16/12/2020 10:58

@WhatsAParlay
Yes, odd isn't it? when he said that, he was saying that he found me very attractive and would love to have an intimate relationship, but is willing to not if it means I feel comfortable to let my guard down, so that he gets to know me for me, however long it takes- because in his mind, he wants a relationship with a strong friendship.

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Glitterb · 16/12/2020 11:00

He could be genuine, however this would be too much for me. Maybe keep seeing him and see how it goes?

KnitsAndGiggles · 16/12/2020 11:03

Isn't this all a bit like hard work?

I couldn't be bothered with someone who was this needy when I didn't feel much of a spark back!

firecracker69 · 16/12/2020 11:04

It sounds very intense after just a few days! Also, the fact he's opened up so quickly about his past rings alarm bells too - "I can't believe I'm telling you this." I've heard this line, several times. It's a way of gaining your trust / emotional manipulation.

Your gut is clearly telling you this is not right! Listen to it!

piddocktrumperiness · 16/12/2020 11:04

@Sssloou
When he was talking about his past, he mentioned where he lived, what schools he went to, what courses he did and the teachers he had- he was telling the truth there as I remembered them all.
On dates, I prefer the man to keep talking, so I can pick up a few cues or warning signs, so he did speak a lot about his past, his vision for the future, his outlook on life and people, that kind of thing- they were similar to mine.

As weird as this sounds, but early in the year, when I was in such a rut over crap dates, I sat down and wrote a list of traits that I look for in a future partner, and what angers me, is that he ticks a lot of them. He's much shorter, laughs a bit weird and his past is worrying but if God was a genie, he'd say " you didn't specify the kind of childhood this man would have had, or the laugh or exactly how much taller than you he had to be, or how intense in enthusiasm he is- be careful what you wish for "

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Nore · 16/12/2020 11:05

I'd be wary. I don't think he has much self awareness.

This. I agree also with @Sssloou that he sounds immature, and as if he has no respect for your boundaries -- and sounds weirdly presumptuous in his pompous declaration that he will 'take sex off the table' (wtf???) And someone who tells you on a first date a lot of highly personal information about his traumatic past is showing very poor judgement.

Ultimately it doesn't matter if it's conscious love-bombing with sinister intent or just the behaviour of someone with low emotional intelligence, no boundaries, and not much else going on in his life, by the sound of things -- you don't have to like it.

Do you like it? Because what's worrying me in your thread is not his behaviour he sounds like a Labrador that can't see any other way of being than jumping all over someone and slobbering, even if the person left the room 30 seconds ago it's yours.

All your posts are about him, what he is thinking, why he is doing this, when what you should be thinking about exclusively at this early stage is whether you like him, whether you want to see him again, whether you think a relationship might be worth pursuing because you want to.

JurassicParkAha · 16/12/2020 11:05

Sometimes men can fall fast and hard very quickly, but should still have the awareness of not coming on so strong.

My exH's best friend told me years later that my ex had said to him after our second date that he'd found the girl he was going to marry. But he certainly didn't make me aware of that at the time and stayed measured enough and didn't emotion vomit all over me.

Keep seeing him to understand his vibe more but be wary if he isn't respecting your need for time/space. Some people are just a lot more effusive and open, maybe he is such or maybe he's just emotionally desperate for a connection.

Techway · 16/12/2020 11:05

Given it is less than a week I would be cautious.

What is his relationship history? Does he have his own place?

RantyAnty · 16/12/2020 11:05

It's classic love bombing.

He shared his supposed vulnerable past to tug at your heartstrings so you'll feel sorry for him.

I reckon you can say anything that you're interested in and he'll say, oh me too!

How can he talk and message for hour every day? Doe he work?

AcornAutumn · 16/12/2020 11:06

Sounds horrendous
I’d run away

If you get to know him better, you will find a controlling arsehole.

Sssloou · 16/12/2020 11:07

You matched on Fri pm and it’s only Wed am......

Sharing lots of personal info may mean he is emotionally incontinent / unstable and/or manipulative looking for pity.

I am always wary of people who are too intense and too revealing too soon - it shows poor (selfish?) social judgment at best....they are not choosing to sense the mood and adapt or self regulate to go with the flow rather just bulldoze on to solely meet their agenda and needs.

piddocktrumperiness · 16/12/2020 11:12

@Techway He does have his own place, rented. He has two daughters, by two different women.
@RantyAnty- he works from home- and yes, frequently messages to tell me he's thinking of me.
@Nore- you are right, I suppose I'm a little conflicted. I have had such bad experiences with dating and requited love that my judgement can sometimes be clouded. I have been on dates where I fancy the pants off someone, who doesn't match me perfectly, but I try and compromise- only to be ghosted. Then a man that does match me in many ways, and as it is unfamiliar, this affection and knowing what they want makes me pull away- it's my attachment style, I'm anxious avoidant (the perfect mix!) I tend to think of faults, because it's unfamiliar, and end up self sabotaging. So, I'm never really sure because I was hurt by so many very different experiences with dating men

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Opentooffers · 16/12/2020 11:16

2 dates in one day - you went along with that. Perhaps would of been better to say you were busy even though you weren't. Bit odd that you told him you had another date lined up, do you always point this out to people from the off? Nothing wrong with doing that, but I don't think it needs saying at the start, non of their business really. Did he say he wasn't going to date others or go on the app after you told him you had another lined up? If so, it was his way of trying to stop you going on another date, thereby cutting out the competition and moderating your behaviour already. This is why it's best not to mention other dates from the off, but now he knows, you would think he'd play it cooler and step back, that's what I'd do if I knew I was one of a few prospects. But not him, he's responded by love-bombing, he really wants to win you against others, which could mean you've upped the ante in the chasing stakes and he's hooked on the thrill.
Keep your other date, see how it pans out, take it slow, he's said he will hold back on sex - what a gent. So, don't sleep with him, have the other date, carry on, if his attentions beging to irritate, you'll know soon enough.

firecracker69 · 16/12/2020 11:19

It's far too early to be having conversations about having sex with him - a stranger.