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Is this love bombing or is this man just keen and knows what he wants?

188 replies

piddocktrumperiness · 16/12/2020 10:08

I matched with a guy on Friday on Tinder, went for an impromptu walk that afternoon- he was pleasant enough and we found out we had been under each others noses all these years (went to the same schools, same college, lived in the same neighbourhood). I didn't have any other plans that evening, so accepted his second date request for a coffee.

He shared a lot of personal information about his very very vulnerable past claiming he couldn't believe he's telling me this, but felt compelled to. We had a third date on the Saturday and again it was pleasant. I felt no spark but I never really have so I tend to keep my guard and let them grow on me type of thing. If the date was overall pleasant with no major red flags, I go on another to double check.

He messages a lot-alot. He texts in the morning, tells me the thought of me makes him smile. We talk for hours on the phone, and ask each other questions ( we have lots in common it seems- our answers are nearly always the same). He said that he is an all in or all out type of guy, and that he spend several years single to learn more about what he likes and doesn't and would rather be single than in the wrong relationship- but he feels something special is brewing between us and that he'd like to give it a real shot. He said he felt a spark and some butterflies on the first date and was buzzing ever since. He has also said he is willing to get off the app and focus on seeing where this goes- intense!

I told him to calm down, that I take things super slow, at my own pace that I have been hurt before, so I am very cautious and petty skeptical and that men talk the talk- I look for actions and for actions to match the words. I told him to stop idealising me, as he doesn't know me yet. I told him that asking me to make a decision to take things forward after 24 hrs is intense and I won't do it ( I think he may have been a little hurt when I told him I had a date arranged for a while, for later in the week- he said he cancelled the dates he had) He has said that he isn't intense, or doesn't mean to come across like that, but that he genuinely feels something special and is very excited about it and that he thinks all the similarities, the fact we were under each others noses, same schooling, all of it are signs that we were aligned and supposed to meet each other- for a reason.This all to me sounds like major love bombing run away territory. He has also said he wants me to keep my guard up so that he can prove he is sincere and that he can earn my trust. He said he wants to build a fulfilling long lasting relationship that is built on friendship, however long it takes, so he's willing to take sex off the table ( however difficult it is for him) for as long as I want- because he wants to get to know me, for me.

I have been semi love bombed before- they get exhausted after a few weeks, it's never the lavish gifts or anything but it's the over promising and under delivering, the compliments, and the verbal affection- so I am always skeptical. Most men I date don't put half as much effort and most certainly don't know what they want. However, through our long conversations, this guy comes across as having his head screwed on well, his values and outlook on life are similar to mine, which makes me a bit pissed off that he is so intense like this.

I guess I'd like to know if from any of your experiences, do men know from the first date that they found someone special? Can they come across intense but from a good place? I can't figure out if he really is love bombing me or if he is a hopeless romantic.

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Honeyroar · 17/12/2020 13:54

You just don’t like upsetting people. Remember how strange and smothered you were feeling with him.

Honeyroar · 17/12/2020 13:54

What did you actually say to him?

firecracker69 · 17/12/2020 13:58

I wouldn't engage with him at all if I were you. It will just encourage him to keep in contact. Just leave it.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 17/12/2020 13:59

Less than a week.

Six days.

Don't reply to that response, just block him and pay no mind to him - he's just someone you went on a couple of dates with and didn't want to keep seeing.

All his hyperbole from day one to now (day six!) doesn't change any of that.

myrtlehuckingfuge · 17/12/2020 13:59

You feel like shit because you seem like a nice empathetic person IMO. However, he made you feel uneasy (so much so you came here) and his version of transparency equalled tipping much inappropriate information your way given that you had barely known each other. Time for you to declare: 'Next!'

piddocktrumperiness · 17/12/2020 14:06

@Honeyroar

Hey_, as nice as it was getting to know you, unfortunately I don’t feel a connection that warrants another date. It’s a gut feeling I have. So I don’t want to take this any further. I hope you can respect that.
I sincerely wish you the best and hope you find what you’re looking for.

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Whatisthisfuckery · 17/12/2020 14:54

You feel like shit

  1. Because you don’t like letting people down.
  1. Because of the I’m really taken aback’ comment. It’s like a ‘I’m shocked at your behaviour. I thought better of you’ comment. It’s designed to make you feel ashamed. Ignore it, he’s a fucking freak.

BLOCK BLOCK BLOCK!!!

Whatisthisfuckery · 17/12/2020 15:03

OP honestly, try to put this knob out of your mind. You’ve known him for less than a week and he’s already fucking with your head. There is no way on earth anyone who can mass with your mind that much in 6 days is anything but terrible news. Just hope that the brief nature of your contact discourages him from being a problem. I can pretty much guarantee you that if you’d let it go on any longer he would be exactly the type who wouldn’t go away without a fuss.

Just put him out of your mind. You didn’t really like him anyway. You might be plagued by thoughts that you’ve let a good one go, but you haven’t, you’ve sacked off a looming disaster. The guy sounds like an absolute nightmare on steroids.

Please block him everywhere. I hope you haven’t told him where you live. If you have and he turns up don’t let him in whatever you do. Tell him to piss off and if he doesn’t call the law.

This bloke is a nailed on psycho, thank god you’ve fucked him in the bin.

piddocktrumperiness · 17/12/2020 15:30

Thank you @Whatisthisfuckery

You are right- I have had fleeting thoughts of whether I'd let a good one go or whether I was too premature in my decision, but I'm proud of myself that I've cut it off and was assertive. I've not really been like that before and often give people benefit of doubt and make excuses fro them for too long

He doesn't know where I live- Thank God!

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Nore · 17/12/2020 15:40

@piddocktrumperiness

Thank you *@Whatisthisfuckery*

You are right- I have had fleeting thoughts of whether I'd let a good one go or whether I was too premature in my decision, but I'm proud of myself that I've cut it off and was assertive. I've not really been like that before and often give people benefit of doubt and make excuses fro them for too long

He doesn't know where I live- Thank God!

Good call, OP!

And if you have the slightest doubt, look at his reply, which is both arrogant --

I genuinely am taken aback. (How could anyone not fall for my schtik, especially when I've informed them they're so special I will reluctantly tell them I will accept it if they want to 'take sex off the table'?)

and more than a bit thick --

I’m not sure I could ever have done more to have been transparent with you

If you wanted 'transparent', you'd go out and buy some cling film (rather than deal with Mr Human Cling Film). Honestly, why would he think that this in itself makes him a prize?

Also, that was a good message. Civil and humane, but firm.

piddocktrumperiness · 17/12/2020 16:33

Thank you @Nore. Smile

I do wonder what the difference is between a guy who is just nice and romantic and a love bomber who could manipulate me by reeling me in so soon.

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Rainbowshine · 17/12/2020 16:35

He’s taken aback that after a few dates someone has decided it’s not for them.

I should imagine that 90% of first to fifth dates* end up with this sort of text, saying “thanks but not for me, good luck.” That’s part of dating.

Well that message is a massive sign of how much he thinks of himself. “I, the amazing man, have spun a story and what, you’ve not fallen for it!? This does not compute with my massive self centred attitude and ego. I know, I will make her feel this is not a normal reaction and maybe the doubt I try to create in her mind will get me another date/sex/etc”. Hence the “I can’t believe it” outraged language in his message, it’s his way of saying he thinks your choice (that you’re entitled to, by the way) is wrong/disproportionate/unreasonable etc. Classic narc/abusive behaviour.

Definitely block him on any medium that he can reach you through. It’s worth checking on LinkedIn if you’re on there, a colleague had a weirdo call her through her work after she told him she wouldn’t see him again!

*based on no scientific data at all!

Nore · 17/12/2020 16:40

But does it really matter, @piddocktrumperiness? I can see you're having regrets about binning him off, but from what I'm reading, it seems to me to matter less whether he was (a) a conscious love-bomber reeling you in by telling you what he thought you wanted to hear or (b) a clueless type who just thought that bombarding someone with texts and gushing about having fallen for them and telling someone they've known for less than 24 hours their entire personal history unprompted, was 'being romantic', than that someone this needy, over-the-top and blurty is a poor match for someone like you, who has a strong sense of her own boundaries, and (rightly) doesn't want to be rushed along at someone else's breakneck pace?

Rainbowshine · 17/12/2020 16:50

the difference is between a guy who is just nice and romantic and a love bomber

Romantic isn’t big public gestures showing off.

Romantic isn’t dictating how the relationship will be without any thought about whether it’s what the other person wants.

Romantic is remembering small but important things, like you prefer Chinese food over Indian so taking you to a Chinese restaurant on the next date.

Romantic is getting to know the person at a sensible pace and not rushing them or pressurising them to commit or be more involved before they’re ready.

Romantic behaviour does not look like this: a big flamboyant thing that the person shouts about and declares with a fanfare saying look at me I’m doing a romantic thing, with the silent inference that now it’s your turn to repay me in sex/giving me money/letting me cocklodge/tolerating my arsehole behaviour etc”.

Romantic is little micro actions that show cumulatively that your wants and needs are important and valued by them.

Basically, if it’s something like in a romcom it’s probably stalking and not romantic at all.

piddocktrumperiness · 17/12/2020 16:50

You’re so right, and putting it like that has clarified it for me. It’s about whether the person matches me, rather than whether they were love bombing or romantic.
The pace was too fast, of course it was- it didn’t feel relaxing or exciting- just exhausting.
And dating the right one shouldn’t feel like that.

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sallyanne33 · 17/12/2020 16:51

The ‘I’m really taken aback’ comment shows how arrogant he is, he can’t believe you would actually reject him. Gosh, bullet dodged. Next!

Whatisthisfuckery · 17/12/2020 16:56

A genuinely romantic man will probably wait more than a couple of days to show that side of him, and he won’t be an oleaginous creep who leaves you feeling somewhere between being covered in creepy crawlies and having been lectured by an intimidating school master who expects straight As from you.

Plus, it doesn’t matter how romantic someone is, if you aren’t feeling it your aren’t feeling it. You’re getting caught in the ‘he’s interested so I’d better give him a chance’ trap again. Have a bit more respect for yourself. You don’t owe a man attention just because he demands it. He’s no more entitled to your time than he is to your bank balance. Like I said earlier in the thread, be as discriminating about where you spend your time and energy as you would be where you spend your cash.

This is not the 18th century, you are not waiting for a man to choose you.

MysteryMy · 17/12/2020 17:04

He defends himself by proclaiming he is being "transparent". What on earth does that mean? The weirdest wording ever. Is he CEO of Barclays hauled between a Government committee? If he's overshared thats his stupidity and you haven't fallen for it. God he sounds bloody weird. The subtle pressure and faux shock its all so creepy, desperate and strange and maybe sinister.

Re. dating - it is confusing OP these days, I do understand that. Maybe in future, if you do it, (you don't say your age), remember the post bh Cattlegrid further back saying keep it light, friendly and safe until you know them better. All the stories stories of trauma and over-sharing and I've never met anyone like you and "hurt" feelings and I'll wait for you forever for sex keep your brain ticking over! Hopefully a lesson.

Dating is just one of the many possibilities of life. The best thing for you I believe - is to focus on YOU and what life can offer YOU. Being in a relationship isn't the be all and end all. Being free and single and happy has much to recommend it. Especially if the alternative is dealing with all this drama and angst. I think it can be if you have had one awful relationship there is the desire to "make" the next one better, but this can end up an out of the frying pan into the fire kind of thing.

Save your energy for your own life, rather than kowtowing to these eejits.

Serendipity79 · 17/12/2020 17:07

His reply is designed to make you question your decision, and possibly go back on it I think.

If you can make sure he can't contact you then you should. Just in case he's the kind of person who wont go quietly - they do exist unfortunately!

I like the poster who compared spending your emotion like you would your cash - definitely made me think!

Whatisthisfuckery · 17/12/2020 17:15

Yes, transparency, the rebuttal to an accusation never made. The hallmark of guilt. He imagines you think he’s full of shit, because he is, and he knows it.

wewereliars · 17/12/2020 17:41

So much wisdom on this thread

SuePreem · 17/12/2020 17:43

Well done OP - Cattlegrid's posts upthread are spot on!

anascrecca · 17/12/2020 17:48

I've just seen this thread and agree that he seemed way too over the top and intense for such a short time. If you both feel the same it's ok but you were feeling uneasy for a reason.

Sssloou · 17/12/2020 18:08

“So shocked” shows how arrogant, entitled and deluded he is yet again. The fact he is so “shocked” shows poor interpersonal skills - he was unable to assess the pace and attune to you - he just bulldozed on ahead in his own arrogant, deluded and entitled way.

The “couldn’t have been more transparent” again shows poor social skills - and it’s quite snippy, defended and self righteous in tone - sort of telling you off for not being grateful for him.

piddocktrumperiness · 17/12/2020 19:03

Thanks everyone!
Just had a text pop up from him on whatsapp- "If I did something wrong I'd appreciate you letting me know too"

I've not opened it.

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