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My husband is miserable because he thinks our marriage isn't working. I was happy until he said this...

464 replies

IGJ10 · 16/11/2020 15:25

I've been married to my husband for 2 and a bit years - it's my first marriage, his second. I love him to bits. Around a year ago, I had some issues with trusting him - I found some excessively flirty/sexual messages with some of his longstanding female friends on his phone. He was open about the fact that he is very flirty with some of his old female friends because it helps his self esteem (which is painfully low - he has often questioned whether he's good enough for me and expressed feelings of disgust about himself). He let me have full access to his phone and changed the way he interacted with these friends, but I felt betrayed that even after we'd married he still needed that validation from other females. I can be honest and say I went from a confident, independent woman to a bit of an emotional mess. Initially I managed to deal with this quite well and we were very honest with each other. At the same time (earlier this year), he started a new job and a member of his team who is very young and pretty has been texting him a lot. And he responded - again, whilst not crossing the line officially (messages were mostly about work) there was a very flirty overtone and when I saw the messages I flipped out. Whilst he has, once again, amended the nature of his messages with her (and he shows me them when I ask), I've met this girl and it's obvious she's besotted with him and gives his ego a massive boost. He claims he feels just friendship towards her and I've accepted that and we've carried on as normal. I haven't asked to see any of his messages for 6 months.

A few weeks ago he told me he wasn't sure about our future, he feels unhappy and has been feeling like he's going through the motions. This was a shock to me. Particularly as he said he'd actually been feeling this way for well over a year (long before I saw the first bunch of flirty messages). I'm aware that my paranoia and trust issues affected him but I felt I'd resolved them and we were getting on an even keel. We've been talking about buying a house and starting a family. I asked him today if he has feelings for that girl and he said "I don't know. Possibly. I don't know what I feel or why I feel." He said he loves me. I asked him what's wrong with the marriage and he said he doesn't know. Despite everything, I've shown him total trust, even after what we went through. I am confused. We are hopefully going to start counselling but any pearls of wisdom would be appreciated. Apologies that this is so long.

OP posts:
EvelynSalt · 16/11/2020 15:30

I'm sorry, that must have been horrible to hear. From what you've written, it sounds to me as if he's checked out and is interested in someone else. One thing I've learned from the wise posters of MN is not to get involved in the "pick me" dance - don't give him the ego boost. If my husband told me that he may be interested in someone else, that would be it. He appears to be telling you the marriage is over for him - take the decision into your own hands and end it

mycatlovesmenotyou · 16/11/2020 15:30

OP, he is clearly checking out because he has feelings for the other girl. I would ask him to leave while YOU consider your options and what YOU want.

It's not all about him. Do not let him mess you around. I know it's not easy, but you will keep your self respect that way. Don't do the "pick me dance". All it does is stoke his ego and confidence, that he has more than one woman who wants him.

firesong · 16/11/2020 15:31

I'm sorry but I think he is trying to blame you, when in fact it is the feelings for this other woman that are the problem. Feelings that wouldn't have developed if he hadn't been interacting with her inappropriately.

If I were you I would tell him that you are reconsidering your relationship and want him to give you space. Have a good think about it. It seems that your feelings about the flirting were right - some people flirt and it means nothing. Others, like your husband, are always looking for more. He has been cheeky as fuck, and he is now trying to rewrite history and pretend you've been unhappy together for years!

blindinglyobviouslight · 16/11/2020 15:35

I'm sorry but I think he is trying to blame you, when in fact it is the feelings for this other woman that are the problem. Feelings that wouldn't have developed if he hadn't been interacting with her inappropriately

This.

I am sorry OP, but he sounds completely untrustworthy.

Its only been two years of marriage. If he is like this already I would cut my losses and move on.

blindinglyobviouslight · 16/11/2020 15:41

I would add that my pearls of wisdom are:

Save yourself the time and money of counselling.
Don't buy a house
Don't start a family

Divorce now when it is easier to have a clean split.

A man who is flirting in a new marriage is not a man who is going to say the course. A man who claims unhappiness in a new marriage is not a man who is going to stay the course.

He has put you through so much shit already in a very short marriage. He really is not worthy of you.

IJustWantSomeBees · 16/11/2020 15:52

So he's been acting innapropriately with several other women and has now told you he can't guarantee that he doesn't have feelings for one of them, and it's YOU who is trying to fix this? OP, he has solely caused the rift you are experiencing in your marriage and as an outsider looking in he honsetly sounds like an arse. Marrying you was an ego boost, flirting with his friends was an ego boost, now this young coworker is yet another ego boost - it's all about him.

blisstwins · 16/11/2020 15:55

He is weak and selfish...now he is rewriting history. This is not you. He is a cheater

MrsMarrio · 16/11/2020 15:55

For a start you have never been paranoid. All your suspicions were right. People who like to stick their toe over that line always try to make out it's the other person who is paranoid.

Tell him you are too good for him and always have been.

Aquamarine1029 · 16/11/2020 15:59

He's feeding you The Script and he's cheating. Get rid of this feckless arsehole.

ravenmum · 16/11/2020 16:04

Sounds less like paranoia on your part and more like an ongoing affair or affairs on his part.

he has often questioned whether he's good enough for me and expressed feelings of disgust about himself - he's disgusted with himself for cheating on you?

Zolaanna · 16/11/2020 16:07

Around a year ago, I had some issues with trusting him - I found some excessively flirty/sexual messages with some of his longstanding female friends red flag no one....did he own up or did you stumble across them? If the latter then he would've carried on so he doesn't actually give a shit.

flirty with some of his old female friends because it helps his self esteem (which is painfully low. Red flag 2 ....blaming his sexting on low self esteem. Don't fall for this rubbish!

He let me have full access to his phone and changed the way he interacted with these friends red flag 3 firstly you shouldn't have to treat him like a child and secondly they are not his friends! So are they still his 'friends'?

But I felt betrayed....you were betrayed!

I can be honest and say I went from a confident, independent woman to a bit of an emotional mess of course you did, your husband has betrayed you.

he started a new job and a member of his team who is very young and pretty has been texting him a lot red flag 4 ...your husband is an absolute creep.

A few weeks ago he told me he wasn't sure about our future, he feels unhappy and has been feeling like he's going through the motions actually listen to this once piece of honesty from him. He doesn't want to be married.

I'm aware that my paranoia and trust issues affected him...wtf. he's lied and cheated he's a creep but you're blaming your paranoia on yourself. Come on.

We've been talking about buying a house and starting a family DO NOT DO THIS!

He said he loves me He doesn't

2bazookas · 16/11/2020 16:07

he is very flirty with some of his old female friends because it helps his self esteem (which is painfully low

No it isn't. You've been well and truly gaslighted.

ravenmum · 16/11/2020 16:10

I'd suggest counselling for you alone, accompanied by reading up on affairs and gaslighting.

Did he cheat on his first wife too?

picklemewalnuts · 16/11/2020 16:11

"had some issues with trusting him " because he was untrustworthy. Not your issue
"questioned whether he's good enough for me" deflecting manoeuvre to stop you criticising him.
"wasn't sure about our future, he feels unhappy and has been feeling like he's going through the motions" because he fancies an affair.

He's grooming you to allow it, to get you so keen to reassure him that you don't check his emails or question anything.

Don't give him any more emotional energy. I'm sorry but he's played you good and proper. Get out and start again.

IGJ10 · 16/11/2020 16:14

Thank you all for your advice - it has been interesting to hear that everyone is telling me to move on. I wish I didn't love him. And it would be easier if he would say he doesn't love me. Whilst I am confident he hasn't physically cheated, I am scared that his feelings for her will continue to develop. He has said many times he doesn't blame me for the way he feels, he genuinely doesn't know why he feels low or unhappy. Do you think with counselling this can change? Do you see any value in counselling? Whilst I've thought about it for a while, he was the one who suggested it so I have to assume maybe he wants to make real change? Or am I just trying to see the best in him?

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greyhills · 16/11/2020 16:15

I can be honest and say I went from a confident, independent woman to a bit of an emotional mess

If he destroys your self-worth, it makes it easier for him to treat you like shit.

diplodocusinermine · 16/11/2020 16:18

The main issue, if you stay together, will be him carrying on with his crap behaviour as he will see you are prepared to put up with it. It's easy for people outside your relationship to tell you to leave him, but honestly, what are you getting out of it? He's crushing your self esteem.

Leave while it's a relatively easy process, before you get mixed up with houses and children which mean you will be tied to this idiot for the rest of your life. Hold your head up high and move on.

Threetoone · 16/11/2020 16:19

OP why did his first marriage end?

user1481840227 · 16/11/2020 16:20

Low self esteem isn't an excuse for treating other people like this and he's somehow managed to take regularl sneaky cheating behaviour (flirty sexual messages) and convince you it's something he needs to do for him because of his low self esteem. Boohoo Hmm

He was right that he isn't good enough for you, and it's not because of his poor self esteem, it's because he's a prick!

diplodocusinermine · 16/11/2020 16:21

TBH I wouldn't bother with counselling - he's just looking to have his ego massaged by some young thing being all adoring and flirty.

Helmetbymidnight · 16/11/2020 16:22

he wasn't sure about our future, he feels unhappy and has been feeling like he's going through the motions.

You can't live like that. It's horrible. Dump him. Take back the power here.

IncludeWomenInTheSequel · 16/11/2020 16:22

You weren't really happy.

You said you felt betrayed and went from being confident to an emotional mess.

That's really not how you would feel in a healthy marriage.

BrandNewLightbulb · 16/11/2020 16:24

Tbh, it doesn't sound like you were very happy from your opening lost.

JemimaTiggywinkle · 16/11/2020 16:24

You don’t seem very angry... he seems to have worn you down so you see his behaviour as acceptable and understandable.

You should be very very angry, he’s having emotional affairs.

ElspethFlashman · 16/11/2020 16:25

He's on his 2nd marriage and has been flirty with other women from Day 1.

I think it's as simple as he loved the idea of marriage, but the reality of it makes him want to run a mile.

The idea of something is far safer than having to deal with something or someone in the nitty gritty. Having someone fall in love with you, accept your proposal, look starry eyed at you at the altar is an ego boost.

Then once domestic life starts and things become rather mundane, there are girls to text to get that fix. Then your wife blows her top and you have to abandon it. But hey look! Theres a girl in work looking at you starry eyed. Meanwhile Wife #2 is NOT. He thinks "maybe this isn't right for me".

Well it's clearly not.

This will be a man who goes from high to high to high. If you do split up, expect another marriage in a few years time. That he will also flirt his way through until Wife#3 loses the rag and he slithers out of that one too.