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My husband is miserable because he thinks our marriage isn't working. I was happy until he said this...

464 replies

IGJ10 · 16/11/2020 15:25

I've been married to my husband for 2 and a bit years - it's my first marriage, his second. I love him to bits. Around a year ago, I had some issues with trusting him - I found some excessively flirty/sexual messages with some of his longstanding female friends on his phone. He was open about the fact that he is very flirty with some of his old female friends because it helps his self esteem (which is painfully low - he has often questioned whether he's good enough for me and expressed feelings of disgust about himself). He let me have full access to his phone and changed the way he interacted with these friends, but I felt betrayed that even after we'd married he still needed that validation from other females. I can be honest and say I went from a confident, independent woman to a bit of an emotional mess. Initially I managed to deal with this quite well and we were very honest with each other. At the same time (earlier this year), he started a new job and a member of his team who is very young and pretty has been texting him a lot. And he responded - again, whilst not crossing the line officially (messages were mostly about work) there was a very flirty overtone and when I saw the messages I flipped out. Whilst he has, once again, amended the nature of his messages with her (and he shows me them when I ask), I've met this girl and it's obvious she's besotted with him and gives his ego a massive boost. He claims he feels just friendship towards her and I've accepted that and we've carried on as normal. I haven't asked to see any of his messages for 6 months.

A few weeks ago he told me he wasn't sure about our future, he feels unhappy and has been feeling like he's going through the motions. This was a shock to me. Particularly as he said he'd actually been feeling this way for well over a year (long before I saw the first bunch of flirty messages). I'm aware that my paranoia and trust issues affected him but I felt I'd resolved them and we were getting on an even keel. We've been talking about buying a house and starting a family. I asked him today if he has feelings for that girl and he said "I don't know. Possibly. I don't know what I feel or why I feel." He said he loves me. I asked him what's wrong with the marriage and he said he doesn't know. Despite everything, I've shown him total trust, even after what we went through. I am confused. We are hopefully going to start counselling but any pearls of wisdom would be appreciated. Apologies that this is so long.

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Lucy830 · 16/11/2020 16:26

The first thing that comes to mind, why is he giving his number out to other women in the. First place?! It’s like he’s gone looking for it.

I’m sorry you’re going through this OP, he sounds like he’s an absolute idiot that is quite obsessed with himself to the point he needs everybody to admire him.

If he left and perused this other women it would be exactly the same with her.

picklemewalnuts · 16/11/2020 16:27

You're trying to see the best in him.

He's a coward who is preventing you feeling the anger you are entitled to by acting all 'victim of his own inadequacy'. He's totally manipulating you.

He has behaved appallingly, knowingly and deliberately encouraged the affections of a junior he works with (not cool), despite having a wife (not cool) and now refuses to take responsibility for his behaviour.

He's earned your rage and spite, but he's diffused you and left you with no recourse.

He had a loving wife he claimed to value, but knowingly and deliberately trashed his marriage- and is making himself out to be the poor wounded soldier.

🤐🤐🤐

ravenmum · 16/11/2020 16:29

While I felt sorry for my poor unhappy husband and thought he was flirting with his new colleague as an ego boost, he had been sleeping with her for months and months, since 2 weeks after they met. They can really put up a good show. Making you feel guilty, paranoid and sorry for them is a great distraction which my "good guy" husband also used.

QualityFeet · 16/11/2020 16:31

Worth counselling! No - this isn’t a good relationship. Why would you live someone who made you feel like shit. Why is your esteem lower than before? He is not a good partner at all. He is a lying little shit desperate to get a leg over. He will do this again and again until he gets a chance. Even the office creep gets lucky especially with new staff.

Saying he loves you is meaningless against his behaviour. Suggestion h counselling h can mean that he is just keeping you there with yet more lines.

ravenmum · 16/11/2020 16:31

I would bet a lot of money that his feelings of disgust about himself (if he really has any) are because of his affairs - not the other way around.

Fudgsicles · 16/11/2020 16:32

If he hasn't already physically cheated, he will do. He's hardly put you first throughout your short marriage and now all this bullshit about being unhappy for a year. Sorry OP but he doesn't want to be married to you and doesn't know how to tell you. Please don't waste your time with counselling and definitely don't buy a house or have children with him. This will he so much easier to disentangle yourself from without a house and children to consider.

Coyoacan · 16/11/2020 16:32

He has said many times he doesn't blame me for the way he feels

Whao, big of him!

He has repeatedly undermined your trust and now you feel guilty for not trusting him.

I don't see any crippling lack of self-esteem reflected in his behaviour, just someone who is completely self centered.

Fouroclockonamarblemorning · 16/11/2020 16:32

He’s probably just as besotted with her. He’s paving the way to leave you for her.

If he can’t behave appropriately that early in a marriage I would honestly sack the marriage. You deserve better than he’s currently delivering. He’s clearly able to get his head turned by every pretty face he comes across. It’s a tale as old as time unfortunately. This is no way for you to live.

Redburnett · 16/11/2020 16:33

If he has really been feeling that way for a year when you have only been married for just over two years then it does sound as though your marriage will not last. Perhaps better to accept that now rather than wasting time hoping things will change.

anonnnnni · 16/11/2020 16:35

I’m so sorry op. I agree with the other posters here. He has consistently acted inappropriately and is now not even giving you the courtesy of ending your short marriage with the honesty and disclosure you deserve.

Don’t try and fix or amend things. His slippery behaviour in saying all this is utterly selfish and is designed to keep you off balance. I’d be interested to understand why his first marriage failed.

Take your power back. Ask him to leave so you can plan your next move.

zafferana · 16/11/2020 16:36

Well I can see why his first marriage failed ...

OP it's really not normal behaviour for a happily married man in the to need the ego boost of flirting with other women at work (we won't even go into the inappropriateness of that behaviour in this day and age). FGS don't have DC with him - he sounds like a serial cheat.

I'm sorry this is happening to you, but the big red flag was the email flirtations a year ago as this behaviour is clearly ingrained and he got away with it then, so ... here we are.

I suspect counselling is just to make him feel better, along the lines of 'Well, I TRIED to save the marriage, we went to counselling'. Personally, I'd bail out now, if I were you. He's not going to change and each time he does it, it will be about his precious low self esteem.

IGJ10 · 16/11/2020 16:37

Again, thank you all for your responses. I think from this I've definitely learned that I mustn't do the "pick me dance." Whilst I have flirted with the idea of doing this, deep down inside I know it would be crazy. He hasn't actually said he wants to be with her tbf. Or am I just being a wet bag again, maybe?

To try and answer some of the questions I've picked up on - his first marriage ended I suspect because they were too young. She was the first girl he'd been with, they both met at 18 at uni, married at 20, divorced by 22. They weren't right for each other but there was no cheating involved.

What am I getting out of this? Today, not a lot! But until a few months ago, I felt very loved by him and we support each other in work and outside a great deal. I know his behaviour with the texting/sexting was inappropriate but he let me have his phone whenever I wanted to check without any hesitation. I often checked when he wasn't there.

With regards the females he was texting - there were a few, who he has known for 10 - 15 years. Most of the texts are normal, but every so often there'd be the odd flirtatious/sexual message. 2 of those girls he hasn't texted at all for 6 months, one he messages much less frequently ( a few times this year) and messages were kosher.

Unfortunately this new young girl is a fixture because of work and I can't stop them interacting.

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Merrythought · 16/11/2020 16:40

He’s a really weak man. Please, please get rid before you have kids and become vulnerable and tied to him forever.
He will not get better.
Counselling pointless when he does not value fidelity and is emotionally immature enough to still be seeking validation from other women.

Cocolapew · 16/11/2020 16:42

If hes doing this on the first few years of marriage he won't stop.
Low self esteem my arse,large ego more like it.

ravenmum · 16/11/2020 16:43

So he's now emailing them instead? Got a second phone?

I could understand you ignoring a mildly flirtatious tone every now and then - but they were actually sexting?

RedToothBrush · 16/11/2020 16:46

@IGJ10

Thank you all for your advice - it has been interesting to hear that everyone is telling me to move on. I wish I didn't love him. And it would be easier if he would say he doesn't love me. Whilst I am confident he hasn't physically cheated, I am scared that his feelings for her will continue to develop. He has said many times he doesn't blame me for the way he feels, he genuinely doesn't know why he feels low or unhappy. Do you think with counselling this can change? Do you see any value in counselling? Whilst I've thought about it for a while, he was the one who suggested it so I have to assume maybe he wants to make real change? Or am I just trying to see the best in him?
You cant change someone. The second you are into 'woman wants to fix her man' you've already lost. All you are doing is pandering to him rather than looking at the picture and admitting yourself that hes not right. You are looking for a solution that doesn't exist rather than face up to the face the relationship is dead and hes looking elsewhere.
S0upertrooper · 16/11/2020 16:46

OP i think counselling would be a good idea but go on your own and really explore how you can rediscover your self esteem and self worth. If you go to counselling with him it will just be another 'poor me' from him. Some men have the ability of stripping women of their power, he's done this to you and I bet he did this to his first wife too.

myhobbyisouting · 16/11/2020 16:46

Oh yeah, that painfully low self esteem that sees him manage to get married and strike up extremely flirty relationships with pretty young women.

My heart fucking bleeds for him

IGJ10 · 16/11/2020 16:46

@ravenmum
I wouldn't call it sexting. But definitely flirty? Again, I have access to his emails and haven't seen anything. But of course I appreciate it's not impossible to get a second phone and set up a second email account.

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Muchadoaboutlife · 16/11/2020 16:48

He’s mucking around. Read The Script. You can do better than this arsehole

IGJ10 · 16/11/2020 16:48

@myhobbyisouting this is the first time I've smiled all day.

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Techway · 16/11/2020 16:49

How long have you been together? How old are you both? What was the length of his first marriage?

I am so sorry but I think he is someone who can't live outside of the honeymoon period, he has to always be in that flirtatious stage where there is adoration.

This woman who is besotted about him is she aware he is married? If so it's likely he is telling her lies to present himself as the victim.

When you met him what was his story about his previous marriage?

Moirasrose · 16/11/2020 16:49

How old is he now? I’m wondering if he’s exploring the experience of being single whilst in a secure marriage. He sounds like he’s already chipped away at you with his poor little me routine. I think I’d always be wondering if I was good enough and frankly you deserve better. You shouldn’t have to be checking his phone to see if he’s chatting up other women. It must be exhausting.

IGJ10 · 16/11/2020 16:50

@Muchadoaboutlife

What exactly is the script? This is not a facetious question.

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Muchadoaboutlife · 16/11/2020 16:51

He’s one of those that goes from bed to bed. His self esteem boost is more important than maintaining his marriage or your feelings. You’re never going to be enough or happy with somebody like this. I’d recommend getting him out of your life and getting over him now before you are too old to start again. Do not have kids with this man. He is not reliable. No decent family man acts the way yours does. Decide you want better for yourself. I’d put money on him having done something with this girl. You’re unlikely to find out the truth though because you’re married to a liar. You know this. Come on. Stand up for yourself and shut him down. If it was me I’d confront the girl and ask her directly what’s going on

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