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My husband is miserable because he thinks our marriage isn't working. I was happy until he said this...

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IGJ10 · 16/11/2020 15:25

I've been married to my husband for 2 and a bit years - it's my first marriage, his second. I love him to bits. Around a year ago, I had some issues with trusting him - I found some excessively flirty/sexual messages with some of his longstanding female friends on his phone. He was open about the fact that he is very flirty with some of his old female friends because it helps his self esteem (which is painfully low - he has often questioned whether he's good enough for me and expressed feelings of disgust about himself). He let me have full access to his phone and changed the way he interacted with these friends, but I felt betrayed that even after we'd married he still needed that validation from other females. I can be honest and say I went from a confident, independent woman to a bit of an emotional mess. Initially I managed to deal with this quite well and we were very honest with each other. At the same time (earlier this year), he started a new job and a member of his team who is very young and pretty has been texting him a lot. And he responded - again, whilst not crossing the line officially (messages were mostly about work) there was a very flirty overtone and when I saw the messages I flipped out. Whilst he has, once again, amended the nature of his messages with her (and he shows me them when I ask), I've met this girl and it's obvious she's besotted with him and gives his ego a massive boost. He claims he feels just friendship towards her and I've accepted that and we've carried on as normal. I haven't asked to see any of his messages for 6 months.

A few weeks ago he told me he wasn't sure about our future, he feels unhappy and has been feeling like he's going through the motions. This was a shock to me. Particularly as he said he'd actually been feeling this way for well over a year (long before I saw the first bunch of flirty messages). I'm aware that my paranoia and trust issues affected him but I felt I'd resolved them and we were getting on an even keel. We've been talking about buying a house and starting a family. I asked him today if he has feelings for that girl and he said "I don't know. Possibly. I don't know what I feel or why I feel." He said he loves me. I asked him what's wrong with the marriage and he said he doesn't know. Despite everything, I've shown him total trust, even after what we went through. I am confused. We are hopefully going to start counselling but any pearls of wisdom would be appreciated. Apologies that this is so long.

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Fluffycloudland77 · 19/11/2020 20:06

Men seem to but they’ve usually got a flat to go to with the woman they told you was just a friend 🤨

drinkstoomuchwine · 19/11/2020 20:29

OP, its hard to know what you could be possibly holding on for when you talk about time limits.
Time limit on what?
What the hell are you waiting for?
Your thread has thrown up so much indignation and rage on your behalf. Don't you see that? Strangers on the internet. All that life experience between us all, urging you to get out.
When someone tells you who they are. You must believe them.

Caeruleanblue · 19/11/2020 20:48

Well done. Get the exit strategy truly sorted. It puts you in a position of strength rather than a position of fear, fear of what the future will be, how would you cope alone, financially etc etc. Then you are in a much better place to deal with DH. Whether you split or not, you can discuss things more clearly.

AcrossthePond55 · 19/11/2020 22:13

I would challenge anyone to end their marriage overnight.

There's emotionally ending one's marriage and then there is the actual act of physically separating.

Emotionally ending a marriage often happens (or seems to) 'overnight'. I know mine felt that way. I'd put up and put up and put up with his shit and then all of a sudden I said 'no more'. It was literally a light bulb moment that said I didn't have to put up with that shit anymore. I was young, childless, and self-supporting.

I gave him 'notice' right then. I was in a better position than many, I admit. We were living in a rental owned by friends of my grandparents with no written rental agreement (this was in the US in the '70s). When he tried to push back I pointed that out and asked him who he thought our landlady would ask to leave if push came to shove. He folded his tent and slunk off into the night.

@IGJ10 I think that if you look honestly at yourself, you've already ended your marriage emotionally. You've penned your exit strategy. I just hope it doesn't involve any last ditch attempts to save a marriage not worth saving. You owe him nothing. NOTHING.

blindinglyobviouslight · 20/11/2020 07:54

OP, I think you are doing what I did with my Ex that led me to stay with him so long. I kept hoping that, with effort on mine and his part, he would turn into the man I used to think he was, but of course he never did. He used therapy to reaffirm his self-belief and 'rightness' . Of course he did. He used everything to reaffirm his self-belief and rightness and everything you have said about DH makes him sound the same.
Eventually I realised the man I used to love never existed. And I just didn't like the man he actually was.

It's not nice looking back and thinking, ' if only I had left then, if only I had left then. Look at those red flags! Why didn't I leave then?'

Chocaholic9 · 20/11/2020 08:42

Well done OP for coming up with an exit strategy. I hope you'll stick to it. You deserve so much better than this man.

ravenmum · 20/11/2020 08:53

Our marriage ended for me within about half an hour ... the time it took me to read a few of his emails to his OW and how he'd booked a room in a brothel with her. Sometimes it really is that clearcut. I would have had him physically out the next day, but it took him a few weeks to find a flat.

But yes, I already had children so really wasn't thinking about babies and fertility.

Whatever your plans OP, I hope that you manage to get them done before his plans get in the way.

blindinglyobviouslight · 20/11/2020 09:01

and how he'd booked a room in a brothel with her

I have no words.

All strength to you Ravenmum.

MsTSwift · 20/11/2020 09:05

Guess we all have our line. For me it would be the suggestion of a threesome 🙄. Call me an old fashioned prude but my view is any man that asks that doesn’t love you. Well not in the way I want to be loved anyway. That would be it for me. Appreciate the baby issue makes it all the harder. Poor op rotten luck just trying to have a nice normal marriage and ends up embroiled in this shit.

blindinglyobviouslight · 20/11/2020 09:10

Appreciate the baby issue makes it all the harder

I think anyone who finds themself with a fucking awful man in their and their children's life forever, even after you split, would think that baby issue makes it easier. In that you really, really, really don't want to saddle your children with such a man as their father. These men treat their children in the way they treat their partners: they' ll always centre themselves. Nor do you want to trap yourself with having to have this man in your life. Just don't, dont' DON'T have kids with such a man.

MushMonster · 20/11/2020 10:51

[quote IGJ10]@picklemewalnuts
Involving other people is precisely what he’s interested in. Though, interestingly (or not!) he doesn’t particularly want other women involved, he wants to see me with other men. I said no...[/quote]
What!!!!! It may be for some people, but if it is not for you run for the hills!
I had zero sympathy for him when he kept digging at you and your relationship, but now it is minus 100 or so!
He will take anything and everything from you. If you are not into sharing your sexual partner, time to exit.
I am so sad for you OP.Flowers
Leave before it robs more time from your life.
It is crystal clear now, isn't it? He does not want to only text, he wants it all the way!

MushMonster · 20/11/2020 13:53

You are extremely lucky OP you do not have children with him.
You can chuck him to the curve and carry on with your life, and be happy.
He did take his time to show his true colours, but at least he did. If he does not get all this "thrill" from you, he will cheat. Further, even if he gets all this "thrill" from you, he will cheat.
He did give you some loops to jump through, but now he is trying to get you on the high ropes without a net!
Put a set of hoops of your own up for him OP. Let's see how many he tries to jump. I would be tempted "darling DH, I am not happy. I need less superficiallity from you. I want MY dreams fulfilled. I want you to run a bath for me each afternoon, with candles. Cook my favourite dinner, daily. Take this to the dry cleaner. Clean the house. Rub my feet. Massage my back with scented oils. Come shopping with me for 8 hours each weekend...." Name your loops, the higher the better Angry

SixesAndEights · 20/11/2020 14:08

OP, I've read most of your posts on this thread, not all.

What struck me is thst you're putting a lot of thought and effort into this.

Is he doing the same?

I go with the posters who say he's shifting blame onto you, and that this problem may go away with this woman, but it'll never disappear.

ladyjadie · 29/01/2021 02:23

Hoping you’re ok @IGJ10 - and didn’t get suckered into false promises and hope.. though I appreciate it’s hard not to.
Amazing advice from MN yet again Wine

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