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My husband is miserable because he thinks our marriage isn't working. I was happy until he said this...

464 replies

IGJ10 · 16/11/2020 15:25

I've been married to my husband for 2 and a bit years - it's my first marriage, his second. I love him to bits. Around a year ago, I had some issues with trusting him - I found some excessively flirty/sexual messages with some of his longstanding female friends on his phone. He was open about the fact that he is very flirty with some of his old female friends because it helps his self esteem (which is painfully low - he has often questioned whether he's good enough for me and expressed feelings of disgust about himself). He let me have full access to his phone and changed the way he interacted with these friends, but I felt betrayed that even after we'd married he still needed that validation from other females. I can be honest and say I went from a confident, independent woman to a bit of an emotional mess. Initially I managed to deal with this quite well and we were very honest with each other. At the same time (earlier this year), he started a new job and a member of his team who is very young and pretty has been texting him a lot. And he responded - again, whilst not crossing the line officially (messages were mostly about work) there was a very flirty overtone and when I saw the messages I flipped out. Whilst he has, once again, amended the nature of his messages with her (and he shows me them when I ask), I've met this girl and it's obvious she's besotted with him and gives his ego a massive boost. He claims he feels just friendship towards her and I've accepted that and we've carried on as normal. I haven't asked to see any of his messages for 6 months.

A few weeks ago he told me he wasn't sure about our future, he feels unhappy and has been feeling like he's going through the motions. This was a shock to me. Particularly as he said he'd actually been feeling this way for well over a year (long before I saw the first bunch of flirty messages). I'm aware that my paranoia and trust issues affected him but I felt I'd resolved them and we were getting on an even keel. We've been talking about buying a house and starting a family. I asked him today if he has feelings for that girl and he said "I don't know. Possibly. I don't know what I feel or why I feel." He said he loves me. I asked him what's wrong with the marriage and he said he doesn't know. Despite everything, I've shown him total trust, even after what we went through. I am confused. We are hopefully going to start counselling but any pearls of wisdom would be appreciated. Apologies that this is so long.

OP posts:
MichelleofzeResistance · 19/11/2020 11:52

What kind of mother would you be?

Well one who is financially responsible, with feet on the ground, considering practical realities and capable of commitment for a start. What kind of father would he be?

Because commitment, responsibility, respect for one's co parent and not making wife and children unstable, unsure and hovering around waiting for Daddy to make some basic decisions on whether monogamy is for him and he wants to stay in a relationship is kind of crap father 101 territory.

He's talking utter gibberish OP. This is a man-child with no grip on reality, who will always look to you to bail him out of uncomfortable feelings while blaming you for everything. Fgs whatever you want to do for yourself to stay with him don't get yourself pregnant. Seriously. You do not want to be seven months pregnant with him having existential dramas at you about whether he wants to be a father, whether he's leaving, whether he's staying, whether he's in a relationship with you or not - given his track record, with real serious demands on him and responsibilities thundering towards him he would not cope well at all and you and a child would pay for it. Sad There are threads here of women this has happened to, it is an awful situation for a woman to be in during a pregnancy and with a newborn.

blindinglyobviouslight · 19/11/2020 11:54

He still felt that I don’t value our future by doing this

He will always reframe 'his' needs to 'our' needs so he can pretend he is not the selfish fuck he is. It's designed to make you feel guilt. Its manipulative.

lazylinguist · 19/11/2020 11:56

Honestly OP, he sounds worse with every single post.

TwentyViginti · 19/11/2020 11:57

So yours and his DC will live in a top notch house but with a daddy who is free to sleaze after other women, and a mummy who shags other men to please daddy.

That is the scenario he is envisaging.

blindinglyobviouslight · 19/11/2020 12:03

So yours and his DC will live in a top notch house but with a daddy who is free to sleaze after other women, and a mummy who shags other men to please daddy

Well summarised.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 19/11/2020 12:10

Oh my god OP please tell me you are not considering ANYTHING to do with his request? No filming or anything like that as this man would be textbook to share without your permission. Please get your stuff together and leave him.

Can you see now that there is no other choice but to end the relationship? You can't still be considering things like counselling?

Kit19 · 19/11/2020 12:14

everytime i think he cant get worse, I read your next update OP and he does....

seriously what is a smart, thoughtful, intelligent, sympathetic woman like you doing with this complete wank spanner?!

TwentyViginti · 19/11/2020 12:16

youvegottenminuteslynn I feel it's likely OP will stay put.

ZeldaPrincessOfHyrule · 19/11/2020 12:33

I'm sorry OP, the seeing you with other men thing has absolutely nailed it - he sees you as his possession. You belong to him. You're supposed to do his bidding and anytime you don't fit that mould he manipulates/gets miserable/looks elsewhere. And those tactics are designed to get you jumping through his hoops again.

You. Deserve. Better.

IncludeWomenInTheSequel · 19/11/2020 12:35

@TwentyViginti

So yours and his DC will live in a top notch house but with a daddy who is free to sleaze after other women, and a mummy who shags other men to please daddy.

That is the scenario he is envisaging.

Read this post more than once, and really try to take it in.
Madlollyoftheshire · 19/11/2020 12:45

Op, I mean this kindly, but this thread is getting frustrating to read - every update you post gets worse, 100% of the advice you have had in 17 pages is to get out while you still have time and self esteem, and yet you are STILL “regurgitating his shit as if it were true” in the words of a pp and STILL considering a future with this manipulative, self-centred man! I appreciate it’s a big step to end a relationship, but what on earth are the positives of staying?!

He wants you to shag other men.....which will inevitably Lead to him shagging other women, because “why should you have all the fun?”. That’s not spicing up your sex life, it’s putting a bomb under it. If you don’t agree to shag other men, he has convinced you he needs to flirt (and probably much more) with other women, and if you do, he has a great excuse to shag other women. So, you can’t win either way. And now, it seems, it is up to you to ask YOUR PARENTS for money for HIS dream house!!!! And yet you seem to think that’s acceptable.

FFS, gather what dignity and self respect you have left and tell him to go! You don’t need him, and while you are giving him Every benefit of your doubt (there is no doubt), your confidence is dwindling and you are missing out on the chance to meet someone who will rightly value you for who you are and be the partner in life you deserve, and missing out on being a mother.

goody2shooz · 19/11/2020 12:47

Basically it’s ALL about what HE wants. If you don’t agree you’re painted as ‘not supportive’, not committed, not a good mother blah blah blah. The only things that matter are what he wants and your only role is to provide what he wants, your thoughts, needs and wants are irrelevant. I cannot imagine why on earth you’d continue to give him the time of day. As the saying goes, when someone shows you who they are - believe them. You can’t mend someone this broken - your life will be a misery if you stay.

Chocaholic9 · 19/11/2020 12:59

He gets worse with every post. I'm sorry but you have managed to find one of life's losers. And things will only get worse from here. I hope you get out soon because the more time you waste with this person, the less time you have to meet a truly good man.

DrDavidBanner · 19/11/2020 12:59

OP my FIL is like this, he has the starring role in his own movie and will change history it fit his own narrative where he is both tje hero and the victim. DH hasn't spoken to him for about 10 years and suprisingly his mental health improved drastically in that time.

You will never be good enough for this man and you will never be 'enough'. Ditch the man and keep the house and whatever you do please, I beg of you. DO NOT HAVE KIDS WITH THIS MAN. I say this as the wife of a survivor.

TwentyViginti · 19/11/2020 13:02

Op, I mean this kindly, but this thread is getting frustrating to read - every update you post gets worse

I feel OP is venting here, with no intention of leaving. Her one liner about him wanting her to shag other men -

he wants to see me with other men. I said no...
is cliff hanger stylee, but with no further input on this topic. She is, in her following post, cosily going on about future DC and housing. No further mention of the group sex scenario.

WizardOfAus · 19/11/2020 13:07

The irony is that we’ve now had to stop so we can sort our shit out. Which means, if we do survive, we’ll miss out on this.

If you do survive?

Come the fuck on, OP!!!!!!!!!

Your relationship will NOT survive this.

Re-read the last 18 pages of wise women who’ve been there... re-read Chump Lady... listen to your heart... GET OUT NOW.

QualityFeet · 19/11/2020 13:36

Op even ‘if we do survive’.

Because you want a relationship with a man who sees you as a fuck hole for other men, belittles you, has relationships with other women, wants you to validate his expensive ideas at the expense of your own wants.

You need to get the counselling to see how you have come to accept so little as ok. Who were you when this relationship started. What would you have wanted it to be and where is it now? There are lots of these men - it’s a type and they only ever cause harm. You can’t have the relationship you want because he isn’t capable ans what he offers is abusive.

AcrossthePond55 · 19/11/2020 13:49

*.....even ‘if we do survive'

This man wants to sleaze around which you don't want, get you into heavy debt to your family which you don't want, become his personal 'sex dolly' which you don't want. And you are saying you want this relationship to 'survive'? Why in God's name would you even want to?

What in the world about being on you own are you so afraid of? Remember that it's better to be alone than to be wishing you were.

RedToothBrush · 19/11/2020 14:34

@TwentyViginti

Op, I mean this kindly, but this thread is getting frustrating to read - every update you post gets worse

I feel OP is venting here, with no intention of leaving. Her one liner about him wanting her to shag other men -

he wants to see me with other men. I said no...
is cliff hanger stylee, but with no further input on this topic. She is, in her following post, cosily going on about future DC and housing. No further mention of the group sex scenario.

Op hasn't made a comment about what SHE wants out of life either still.

Its important she thinks about it, throws it back at him and says i bet you didn't even know never mind consider what i want from life.

She does seem to think theres still an opportunity of a future otherwise she wouldn't be considering the councilling option. I get the impression she thinks it could be the a last ditch magic bullet to 'fix' the problem.

Unfortunately the problem is her husbands entire personality....

picklemewalnuts · 19/11/2020 15:42

So stay in the house you are in, kick him out, and have a baby where you live.

Enough4me · 19/11/2020 17:27

OP, are you posting on here for a bit of a boost in your highly controlled world, or are you listening and is your mind opening up to the truth?

billy1966 · 19/11/2020 17:36

OP is only posting a few days and no doubt going over things, remembering and reinterpreting other incidents and conversations.

This is a process.
People don't end marriages overnight.

The OP is getting a lot of good advice and opinions but the decision is hers to make in her own time.

IGJ10 · 19/11/2020 18:35

@billy1966

You are right, I have received a huge amount of advice and am grateful for all of it. I would challenge anyone to end their marriage overnight. I appreciate the words but it’s easier said than done. As I’ve mentioned in previous posts, my eyes have been opened in ways I didn’t anticipate or expect through what I think of as the ‘mumsnet free and honest counselling service’ and I’m grateful for this. Honestly. It’s a lot to take on in a couple of days. Last night before I went to sleep I penned an exit strategy and put a time limit on it. I plan to stick to this. Take care all and again thank you

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Whodofthunk · 19/11/2020 18:40

What is your time limit OP?

ZaraCarmichaelshighheels · 19/11/2020 19:32

A lot of women decide to end their marriage “overnight” they may not physically leave but mentally they have and the process to physically leave starts. Some things are instant dealbreakers, for me the sexting alone would be the end of my relationship and that’s only a tiny part of what you are putting up with, how you can stand to be in the same room as him is beyond me.

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