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To feel hurt and betrayed by my DS?

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MsSweary · 24/10/2020 10:28

I have been here a long time but I've never posted in AIBU and I'm not sure if that's even relevant but I have to say this to someone. My head is all muddled up and i probably should wait until I calm down but I can't.

I am so very angry and hurt by my eldest DS (he is 37) and I don't know if my feelings are justified and if they're not I think there must be something wrong with me. He is the oldest of my 3 DC's. Both my eldest DS's are from my first marriage. My DD is from my second marriage.

The back story is I divorced my ExH 10 years ago; the years leading up to the end were hideous and I was a mental and emotional wreck and thought I was mad; I was drinking too much to cope with things that didn't make sense and I was on antidepressants. ExH is what I think is called functional alcoholism so never really got drunk but couldn't be without alcohol daily; he'd had a gambling habit during university, he told me early on.
In our marriage He'd also had at least one 'emotional affair', and I once came home early in the day to find him alone with one of them who by that time he'd given a job in his service; not having sex but when i walked in he jumped back from her like a scared rabbit. She had also turned up at our house once in the evening claiming to have broken down and couldn't get back to London that evening so we put her up; a week later ExH decided to buy this woman an item of clothing exactly like the one of his that he'd leant her to sleep in because "she loved it so much" and some months I later found texts between them saying I love you.

After couples counselling during which he never accepted or acknowledged that his behaviour was unnaceptable, he left me for a woman he'd lived with whilst at Uni so it was the age old story; that affair was ongoing during the time we were supposed to be saving our marriage and i later found out he'd come to the appointments from being with her. . Eventually his clear hatred of me wasn't enough to tip me over the edge into throwing him out (because I thought the problem was mine). Either alone or together they decided to send me an anonymous letter informing me of the affair and then ExH blamed our then 15 year old DD for having sent it. i know she couldn't have and wouldn't and she was so upset that her DF had suggested it was her; the post mark of the letter placed ExH in the area he works in, too far away for DD to possibly have been in as she was at school.

She, by the way, had learned of his infidelity or put 2 and 2 together and had begged him to tell me but he wouldn't; when I found this out out her anger and spiteful comments to him and telling me I was a fool, began to make sense. I also found out that he had been stealing money from my bank account as part of the plan to screw me financially whilst I was at my most vulnerable but that particualr plan failed. I should've learned what was to come earlier when he once cleared my bank account right up to the overdraft. I know I was stupid not to end it there and then but I'd not long had our DD and had just moved into the first house we'd bought. I so very nearly did though, and I never really felt the same about him after that.

A week after he left and whilst I was still in shock he introduced my eldest DS to the new partner. My younger DS would not have anything to do with ExH.

I'm sorry for telling in such detail (and I've left loads out as you get the picture). So ExH has split with the woman and moved permanently back to the area. He has been seriously ill, very seriously. I have stayed away all this time and I'm in a much better place after lots of therapy and I haven't had alcohol at all for about 8 years and no inclination to drink at all.

But ExH is slowly inching back in to my DS's lives and the 'weak link' has always been eldest DS whose relationship with his birth dad has never been great but it's not awful either. It's been a source of tension for us as ExH is very manipulative and only ever sees people as a resource to help him get what he wants. Younger DS saw him and spoke to him for the first time in 10 years a couple of weeks ago. ExH mentioned that he hadn't met DS's young son (my DGS). It was a clear bid to get that introduction I think. DS didn't respond but I don't think ExH will give up.

I found out this morning that yesterday ExH leant my eldest DS his car to take my DF shopping; DS usually borrows his brothers car to do that on a Sat morning. But I'm told by DS that it suited him to borrow ExH's car yesterday.
Reasonable or not, I am so hurt and I feel like this man is inching his way back in by any means necessary and it's not because his illness has made him have a sudden epiphany. It's because the other relationship ended and he wants what he left behind. I feel like DS is being disloyal; by his own admission he said that if the situation were reversed and I was to spend time with people who have seriously done him wrong, telling them stuff about DS and generally including them in my life he'd be really upset and pissed off with me.

But it's ok for him, because it suited him to use ExH's car.
I have to stop typing now.

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MinnieJackson · 24/10/2020 18:47

I don't think YABU
You've obviously got your guard up. He sounds like a vile man! Stealing money from you, numerous affairs, blaming his own daughter for 'outing ' his affair. I wouldn't tell your son anything that you don't want your exh to know from now on

WellQualifiedToRepresentTheLBC · 24/10/2020 18:51

@MsSweary

Thank you. It is not his dad, it's his step dad but that's a detail I guess.

I must have unnaturally high expectations of other people; and now I'm questionning my own sense of what loyalty should look like; I hadn't looked at it like that before.

Gosh you're really manipulative aren't you!

Your "expectations of loyalty" sound more like you demand that other people live their lives in a way that protects you from having to take responsibility for yourself.

If you dont want to care for your exh if he gets sick, then just don't, for fucks sake. What your son does or doesn't do is immaterial to that.

Don't give your middle aged son the silent treatment because he has a relationship with a man that YOU brought into his life.

IJustWantSomeBees · 24/10/2020 18:55

Despite the slating you're getting I hope you're also taking on board the sentiments of those of us who have said you're not being unreasonable Flowers

EarlGreyJenny · 24/10/2020 19:02

@WellQualifiedToRepresentTheLBC

Life must be hard going when you always assume the worst about what a person says rather than give the benefit of the doubt. OP has been pretty open about her highs and lows as a parent.

MsSweary · 24/10/2020 19:59

@WellQualifiedToRepresentTheLBC

You are so far adrift in your judgment. If anything I haven't demanded enough; and that's what made me a fucking walkover in the past.

I haven't said poor me I will take care of exH if he gets sick, I haven't said that he has asked that of me and I haven't said that I have no personal personal responsibility for my life choices. You're blinded by your own biases.

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MsSweary · 24/10/2020 20:06

And I haven't said I'm going to give DS "the silent treatment" I've said I won't talk to him whilst feeling upset which to me is surely the very fucking opposite of manipulative. He has no idea I've been upset, he'll have moved on with his day and he'll be expecting me to meet him for coffee tomorrow as per usual.
You have no. fucking. idea. about what my life has been or is like now. None.

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EarlGreyJenny · 24/10/2020 20:08

[quote MsSweary]@WellQualifiedToRepresentTheLBC

You are so far adrift in your judgment. If anything I haven't demanded enough; and that's what made me a fucking walkover in the past.

I haven't said poor me I will take care of exH if he gets sick, I haven't said that he has asked that of me and I haven't said that I have no personal personal responsibility for my life choices. You're blinded by your own biases.[/quote]
I know I have said you AIBU (you are) but 3 glasses of wine down I'm beginning to love you.

Leflic · 24/10/2020 20:08

[quote MsSweary]@WellQualifiedToRepresentTheLBC

You are so far adrift in your judgment. If anything I haven't demanded enough; and that's what made me a fucking walkover in the past.

I haven't said poor me I will take care of exH if he gets sick, I haven't said that he has asked that of me and I haven't said that I have no personal personal responsibility for my life choices. You're blinded by your own biases.[/quote]
But so are you!
You Ex showed you who he was several times. By your own admission you couldn’t or wouldn’t leave him. If they had told you to, would you have left the marriage?
Your DS doesn’t have to have anything to do with your Ex but is choosing to do so. He’s entitled to make crap choices same as you.
Support your DS. Worry about him not your Ex.

MsSweary · 24/10/2020 20:10

I will have to stop reading this thread now. I've taken on board what people have said and I appreciate you taking the time to read and post.

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BlueThistles · 24/10/2020 20:14

OP I understand and you need to do what works for you. Your Ex will screw up, give it time. Take good care. Flowers

EarlGreyJenny · 24/10/2020 20:14

For the record I wasn't being sarcastic! I really admire your willingness to reflect while remaining polite but not a walkover.

Porridgeoat · 24/10/2020 20:18

It’s up to DS what he does. And it’s up to you what you do. Don’t have him back in your life. Be very boundaried. He is not inching his way back into your life because you won’t let that happen. However you can’t force someone else to act as you wish. Your son needs to make his own decisions

Coldwinds · 24/10/2020 20:18

OP your getting a really hard time here and it’s not fair.

Your son is an adult and will be well aware of the issues you’ve had but is still happy to be around this man. That would really upset me too. Sometimes you have to get off the fence and support the ones that love you and have supported you and support them back.

Obviously he can talk to who he wants but it’s still shit. If this was one of my kids I’d be really straight with them. If they must continue a relationship with some one that’s caused me so much pain then they keep that relationship to themselves and never to talk about me with the person and never to bring them to my house. Ever.

Hope your ok. Some people in MN can get carried away as they are just typing on a screen not speaking to some ones actual face.

MsSweary · 24/10/2020 20:27

@EarlGreyJenny thank you for clarifying because that's what I thought first of all.

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QualityFeet · 24/10/2020 20:29

Op I think some of your wording in your initial post came across differently to what you added later. I still think you need to focus on you. It’s has been obviously hard for you:( Get counselling, invest in yourself and as you heal it will be easier to deal with the kind of feelings you are having. I hope it gets easier

EarlGreyJenny · 24/10/2020 20:40

[quote MsSweary]@EarlGreyJenny thank you for clarifying because that's what I thought first of all.[/quote]
DaffodilI hope you aren't too downhearted by the responses.

Pringlemonster · 24/10/2020 20:55

I understand how you feel and why you feel like that.
But you will drive your son away if you make him feel bad ,or try to make him choose.

Pringlemonster · 24/10/2020 20:57

I think ,as well ,you know what your ex is like ,he’s not going to be able to change ,so your son will figure it out for himself ,he has to make his own mistakes

BangBux · 24/10/2020 21:01

Once you introduce someone to your children, you don't get to dictate their relationship anymore. They're both adults - end of discussion.

noirchatsdeux · 24/10/2020 21:17

@Bluntness100 your friend's mother could be my mother.

My parent's marriage ended after nearly 23 years, when I was 21. My mother emotionally blackmailed myself and my two brothers into having no contact with our father. I got told all the details of their marriage - deeply personal stuff that no way on Earth should my mother have shared with me.

That was 31 years ago. My mother is 80 next year and still gets angry if anyone dares mention my father. She now bad mouths my older brother almost as much as my father - purely because he has a far closer relationship with his inlaws than he does with her (she's insanely jealous of them, because they are still happily married and gave their children a 'normal' upbringing). And also because she suspects (and I'm pretty sure she's right) that he's back in touch with my father.

The idea that she has no say in the relationships her adult children have would never occur to her. Neither has the fact that she had no goddamn right to blackmail us to having no contact with our father in the first place. A friend once had the guts to tell her that to her face...my mother promptly ended the friendship. They'd been friends for 50 years...

Bluntness100 · 24/10/2020 21:30

Noirschat, it’s very sad, and yes it’s the same situation, my friends mum, who I liked but could never understand on this score, even made it awkward at their weddings, because she wouldn’t be there if he was.

Op, the one thing that strikes me in your posts is your write like this is all current, you’ve been divorced a decade now. But you write like you are still living it. Like it’s happening yesterday and today. Not it was over ten years ago.

This is really unhealthy and I think it would be best to get some counselling. Don’t live the rest of your life reliving this, being bitter, upset, angry. You need to get some help now.

yikesanotherbooboo · 24/10/2020 21:58

Don't think of your son as betraying you . It really isn't fair to expect him to behave as you want him to. That would be manipulation. Let him sort out his own relationships and you concentrate on yours if you can. I am not unsympathetic btw , your ex sounds horrible

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 24/10/2020 22:08

@EarlGreyJenny

Sorry but YABU. As someone with step parents who have been brought in to my life, and then had them removed from my life, it really bugs me that parents can think they can introduce someone into their child's life and then get upset when a relationship is built. It is very selfish. You introduced this man into your child's life, you live with it now. You need to keep your upset to yourself.
This.

Not to mention at 37 he can form relationships and friendships with whomever he chooses. This man is is his half siblings dad, someone you had in his life for 20 years.

ImEatingVeryHealthilyOhYes · 24/10/2020 22:44

I could be way off the mark, but what I’m getting here is that OP feels frightened of the ex, in terms of what he might to do her, and the emotional risk to her ds

CSIblonde · 25/10/2020 01:16

I get you're upset . Its up to to your DS as an adult, if he ses him. But as you say, your ex is just using him. If your DS feeds back your conversations, I'd feed back that the ship has sailed for your ex ever being back in your own life, on any level. And keep personal info to a minimum in any chats with your son.